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ever seen him have a good game for us, pre or post leg break
Ridiculous, absolute nonsense. Against United when Ramsey and Jack played they were both excellent and outdid United. That is the only time those two have played together, and they showed what is possible.
The boy has had one full season of football, it takes time. Jack is a different class, like Rooney, who is ready straight away. Other players take time. Even the OX has been poor in games. It just seems time for Ramsey to be the one taking the flack. The comparison to Lampard is a good one, they're similar in a lot of ways. Get behind the kid, don't ruin him before he's even realised his potential.
I don't think he's good enough, or ever will be. Yes, players have had shit seasons before at his age, but this season he has shown almost nothing of merit. When has he had a good game? When has he actually played well, to the standard we want him to develop to? Not once.
The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.
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Ramsey is class. He just happens to be the current whipping boy. Six months ago it was Rosicky, this time last season it was Koscielny, the season before people were slating RvP because he he was 'injury prone' (there were even people on here stating we shouldn't offer him a new contract)
A solid pre season, good start to 12/13 and everyone will be loving him and moaning about someone else...
This I don't get. Not having a pop, mate but why should we say a player is doing great if he isn't? Six months ago Rosicky WAS shit. Utter shit. He has since delivered the sum total of what? A month or two of good performances? Not knocking him but how long has he been with us? Hardly a great return, huh?
RVP has delivered ONE outstanding season in what? 8 seasons? That is not a great return. Yes he is a world class striker but he IS ALSO injury prone and that massively affects his game and input to the team. He has delivered not much prior to this season. I said last season I'd be happy enough to see RVP go IF he was replaced with a top top striker. I still stand by that tbh. What will RVP deliver next season? Will he go back to his injury prone ways? Now, before the less intelligent on here piss through their own mouths in outrage, I'm NOT saying get rid of him. I'm saying IF a better striker was signed then RVP going wouldn't be the end of the world as I believe this season is a bit of a blip injury wise. I'd be amazed fuckless if he puts in half a season next year!
As for Ramsey. HE HAS BEEN UTTER SHIT this season, there is no excaping that. Utter shit. BUT he is a good player with an intelligent style of play. He needs a good preseason, a better DM than Song to play alongside and he also REALLY needs to give up the tricks and flicks and pointless backheels. I think he could come good. But the jury is still out tbh.
Firstly: I haven't suggested we should say a player is doing great when he isn't.
The point was trying to make is that there are number of people that think that a blip in form or a season of 'UTTER SHIT' is reason to just offload players and then bemaon the lack of quality in our squad. Then on flip side, as soon as a player turns it around they become our saviour or, as 1989 says start 'licking their balls' . I'm just baffled by the bi-polar of it all. To be fair, the debate on this thread seems pretty rational. It's just in the match threads that peoples anger towards Ramsey comes out
The players I mentioned previously were all written off by a large number of our support and have entered into that category.
Secondly: I actually agree with your post. Although I am sceptical that Wenger will replace anybody with recognised 'quality'. I'd never advocate keeping crap I'm just a realist and believe we will never have a squad of 25 quality players on top form. If putting up with some of his performances this season means we'll get 2 great seasons - I'll take it. We can then sell him to City for £20m n his last year of his contract.
1989 wrote:His performance at Portsmouth in late 2009 was on par with anything Jack has done for us. He was mustard that night, Pompey couldn't get near him.
He had an absolute blinder that night and I seem to remember a similar performance a few days later against West Ham in the FA Cup where he scored a beauty to equalise for us.
I think people have been really harsh on him. He broke into the first team around the time of that Pompey game, late Decemeber 2009. He broke his leg in February 2010. That's what? 6 weeks of playing time?
This is his first season back after that injury, so technically it's his first full season in the Premier League. He's clearly low on confidence at the moment but he never shies away from receiving possession, always works hard for the team and I think people need to lay off him a bit to be honest.
He'll be a class act for Arsenal for years to come, I have absolutely no doubt about it.
LeGinge (Northern Branch) wrote:Ramsey is class. He just happens to be the current whipping boy. Six months ago it was Rosicky, this time last season it was Koscielny, the season before people were slating RvP because he he was 'injury prone' (there were even people on here stating we shouldn't offer him a new contract)
A solid pre season, good start to 12/13 and everyone will be loving him and moaning about someone else...
This I don't get. Not having a pop, mate but why should we say a player is doing great if he isn't? Six months ago Rosicky WAS shit. Utter shit. He has since delivered the sum total of what? A month or two of good performances? Not knocking him but how long has he been with us? Hardly a great return, huh?
RVP has delivered ONE outstanding season in what? 8 seasons? That is not a great return. Yes he is a world class striker but he IS ALSO injury prone and that massively affects his game and input to the team. He has delivered not much prior to this season. I said last season I'd be happy enough to see RVP go IF he was replaced with a top top striker. I still stand by that tbh. What will RVP deliver next season? Will he go back to his injury prone ways? Now, before the less intelligent on here piss through their own mouths in outrage, I'm NOT saying get rid of him. I'm saying IF a better striker was signed then RVP going wouldn't be the end of the world as I believe this season is a bit of a blip injury wise. I'd be amazed fuckless if he puts in half a season next year!
As for Ramsey. HE HAS BEEN UTTER SHIT this season, there is no excaping that. Utter shit. BUT he is a good player with an intelligent style of play. He needs a good preseason, a better DM than Song to play alongside and he also REALLY needs to give up the tricks and flicks and pointless backheels. I think he could come good. But the jury is still out tbh.
Firstly: I haven't suggested we should say a player is doing great when he isn't.
The point was trying to make is that there are number of people that think that a blip in form or a season of 'UTTER SHIT' is reason to just offload players and then bemaon the lack of quality in our squad. Then on flip side, as soon as a player turns it around they become our saviour or, as 1989 says start 'licking their balls' . I'm just baffled by the bi-polar of it all. To be fair, the debate on this thread seems pretty rational. It's just in the match threads that peoples anger towards Ramsey comes out
The players I mentioned previously were all written off by a large number of our support and have entered into that category.
Secondly: I actually agree with your post. Although I am sceptical that Wenger will replace anybody with recognised 'quality'. I'd never advocate keeping crap I'm just a realist and believe we will never have a squad of 25 quality players on top form. If putting up with some of his performances this season means we'll get 2 great seasons - I'll take it. We can then sell him to City for £20m n his last year of his contract.
Sorry mate - didn't mean to appear as if I was pointing the finger at you. Was more of a general observation.
Personally I don't think the guy has the natural talent to go on and be a top class Arsenal player but he has not been helped in his development either[/quote]
Steve, given that both players are in a similar struggling to find form position, if you had to choose between Ramsey and Diaby to play the attacking midfielder role, does Diaby win easily?
We seem to be creating an argument when there doesn't seem to be much of a disagreement.
None of the 'pro'-Ramsey posts seem to being saying 'he's doing really well at the moment, play him every match', just that he's young, has shown some potential and should be given time.
The 'anti'-Ramsey posts don't appear to be wanting him out, just believing that he has been poor of late and shouldn't be in the starting XI at the moment.
Both points of view seem accurate and reasonable to me.
GranadaJoe wrote:We seem to be creating an argument when there doesn't seem to be much of a disagreement.
None of the 'pro'-Ramsey posts seem to being saying 'he's doing really well at the moment, play him every match', just that he's young, has shown some potential and should be given time.
The 'anti'-Ramsey posts don't appear to be wanting him out, just believing that he has been poor of late and shouldn't be in the starting XI at the moment.
Both points of view seem accurate and reasonable to me.
Very true! Is this a first on here!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
Although to be fair there are a couple of people on here that just don't rate him at all.
I'm not one of them, I hasten to add!! I believe he has talent and just needs time to get over the effects of the injury and also to mature as a man and player.
Eboue-Why? wrote:
Steve, given that both players are in a similar struggling to find form position, if you had to choose between Ramsey and Diaby to play the attacking midfielder role, does Diaby win easily?
Abou certainly beats that Ramsey to that role in my opinion because he is a natural game changer and a far more creative talent. However, I admit he can not match Ramsey's work ethic.
I see Abou as the Cantona, and Ramsey as the 'water carrier'
Gunnerz4life wrote:There is no contempt towards Aaron in my post. I rate the guy but don't see him starting ahead of Jack and Rosicky in the form that is he in now. Rosicky may be 32 and "passing" but if he maintains the fitness and form he is currently showing he would and should start ahead of Aaron every day of the week. I'm sorry i'm not willing to put a form player out of the team to ensure it doesn't kill a youngstar. Loaning Aaron out would do him a world of good and i'm sure plenty of mid table teams would love to have him.
PS : Loaning him out would make a lot more sense than playing him on the wings. Also it is pretty apparent that Song and Arteta will be denifnite starters so its going be a battle between Jack, Rosicky and Aaron for the final position and Aaron will be third choice there.
this. 100%.
whatever the cause of the fancy flicks and lazy passes, let him sort it out in the reserves or at bolton (same thing..) NOT in the first team.
I still believe that the team can't carry both Song and the Welsh denilson at once.
after seven years of no trophies we can't afford any more to play potential or off form players week in week out, that thinking has to end.
as someone else said, he's just the scapegoat at the mo, - fair enough his form does look woeful and for some reason he can't run, looks very heavy legged. But will come good and can't believe the abuse he is getting from a few bumpkins
I hope you are proud of yourself 
