As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
GranadaJoe wrote:I think you'll find the issue is not one of geography but one of grammar, thereby requiring the retort, " .... you're not my fucking English teacher!"
Hope that helps.
UTD have had a country wide support since the late 60's ,the whole country was behind them when the won the European Cup in 1968 a year when many around the country adored the likes of Best ,Law,and the world cup winner Charlton.
By the early 70's they used to have no less that 3 special trains from London alone going to every home match !
Since the live TV came to us in ??? '86 you became used to finding kids sporting last seasons champions shirts ,fcuk me u even had some Blackburn shirts in London,and under Keegan some deluded toon ones too .
As UTD have again become the most successful club in the 90's 2000's a TV It's hardly Surprising they have such support,after all you dont have to even ever go see them live ,they are just a flick of the TV button away.
Dont get miffed by Arsenals Asian expeditions ,in the future when each club has its own TV rights the Asian market will be a huge revenue stream !
I cant think of many things more annoying in this world then spending a shit load of money getting to support your club, having a shit result only to have it rubbed in by some no-mark "man yoo fan" who's only commitment to "his" club is staying up past his bedtime to watch motd.
herd wrote:Dont get miffed by Arsenals Asian expeditions ,in the future when each club has its own TV rights the Asian market will be a huge revenue stream !
It's a fact of life that people latch onto success. Man Utd fans in London is no massive surprise. The three best supported clubs in Dublin/Ireland are Man Utd, Liverpool and Celtic. The United supporters are arrogant, (comes from the fact that most of them never supported an unsuccessful Utd team ) The Liverpool fans are deluded and are the only fans who can equate a Carling Cup win to a Champions League win . The Celtic fans who can count Liverpool and Man Utd fans in their numbers believe they are wearing a badge for Ireland while wearing Celtic colours. In the pub on Sunday I seemed the only one that was happy enough for a Hearts win..I think it is great that there is a final without the Old Firm , both teams go in with an even chance and even support in the stands.
I think the important thing isn't where you are from but how genuine your support is through good or bad days. It's the bandwagon jumpers that get to me.
Ive got a couple of mates who are Liverpool fans they have only ever been to Anfield once which is less than me even though i was supporting the away team there. Growing up in the mid 70's to mid 80's Liverpool were the team to support because they won everything, thats why i think you see especially in Essex a lot of liverpool fans around 40 years old now its uniteds time of domination and you'll see more of the younger generation as united fans, its how it goes...... Neither of my mates dads particularly liked football so they were drawn to the glory of liverpool luckily for me my dad was a Gooner having lived in between Arsenal and sp*rs as a kid and there was no way i was allowed to be anything but an Arsenal fan
LDB wrote:I cant think of many things more annoying in this world then spending a shit load of money getting to support your club, having a shit result only to have it rubbed in by some no-mark "man yoo fan" who's only commitment to "his" club is staying up past his bedtime to watch motd.
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correct i spend a fortune coming down to every game even league cup ones, 150 miles each eway to get rideculed when we have days like wigan on monday by man utd fans and liverpool etc who have never been to a game in there lives,
bad state of affairs when i have been to there grounds more than there supporters
LDB wrote:I cant think of many things more annoying in this world then spending a shit load of money getting to support your club, having a shit result only to have it rubbed in by some no-mark "man yoo fan" who's only commitment to "his" club is staying up past his bedtime to watch motd.
These *word censored* are all over facebook too
100% agree. Fucking despise them. Responded to all the '8-2' taunts with 'Oh, really? And how many times have you been to Old Trafford this season?'
LDB wrote:I cant think of many things more annoying in this world then spending a shit load of money getting to support your club, having a shit result only to have it rubbed in by some no-mark "man yoo fan" who's only commitment to "his" club is staying up past his bedtime to watch motd.
These *word censored* are all over facebook too
I came home from the 1-0 defeat at Old Trafford in Dec '10 to be slagged by utd "fans" who were never in Old Trafford in their lives!
[/quote] yes, you will be crucial in our club's growth [/quote]
More crucial than you've ever been Henry Old Boy !
Seriously though ,I dont ever listen to people who never go ,in fact I dont discuss football with anyone who doesn't go, they don't register on the radar,however I would happily spend time chewing the fat with a Barnet season ticket holder,because he is a football fan/man.
Never really understood supporting a club when you have no link to the city/ area like. I meet a lot of Man United "fans" and when I ask them how often they go they say "when I can" which generally means once in their life. When I then ask what they like so much about Manchester I generally get "nothing really, don't care about the place, I just support the club". Thats what pisses me off- for me a club represents the city/ area the club are from and its people. If you dont particularly like the people in Manchester or the city of Manchester (and I mean actually like them, not just pretend to) then I dont see how you could support Manchester United. Equally I get people up here who "hate the English" but "support" Man United, how does that work, the clubs fucking English. Some foreign fans are class lads who genuinely have developed a bond with a club/ area and actually care and wouldnt change to support someone else, but a lot arent like that
For me, these people are arseholes who are obviously just supporting them due to their success and as such will never truly experience what its like to be a football fan. Its quite likely that my club will never win anything of note, but when we have our little triumphs (wins against Newcastle, rare though they are, 3-0 win away to Chelsea etc) I feel better than any plastic supporter would feel if "his team" won the champions league. If you don't genuinely care about the club and what it represents and you support purely so your team can be successful, the success will feel hollow. I watched the champions league final that Liverpool won with a Liverpool "fan" and when they beat Milan he sort of said "yes, get in" and clenched his fist before getting a can. I've had times celebrating goals in random run of the mill league games where I've smashed glasses by mistake, knocked tables over, kissed random men and ended up with me trousers falling down, tried to pull them up as me cock was out in the middle of town and ended up falling on me arse instead. I think these plastics are missing out personally
I'm in two minds with this issue. Emotionally, I instantly hate it when I see Manure or Liverpool fans down South.
I used to works Summers at the services on the M2 and every week two coach loads of Manure fans would stop off on their way to the match ( which was always a good opportunity to get rid of the out of date pies). Initially I despised them (why weren't they supporting the mighty Gillingham FC?) but over time it made me think. Whatever their reasons for starting to support Manure they were clearly loyal fans, putting their money where their mouth was.
I suppose that a geographical/family etc tie to a club will always generate the strongest bond but, logically, it is still possible to a 'real' supporter in other circumstances, if you invest your heart and soul (and a litle cash if you've got it) to support your club.
Personally, I hope we do generate a huge fanbase around the world. The more the merrier. If someone from Cork or Cornwall can become a 'true' Gooner it must be possible (though more difficult) for someone from Malaysia or China, who are equally bereft of decent local football.
GranadaJoe wrote:I'm in two minds with this issue. Emotionally, I instantly hate it when I see Manure or Liverpool fans down South.
I used to works Summers at the services on the M2 and every week two coach loads of Manure fans would stop off on their way to the match ( which was always a good opportunity to get rid of the out of date pies). Initially I despised them (why weren't they supporting the mighty Gillingham FC?) but over time it made me think. Whatever their reasons for starting to support Manure they were clearly loyal fans, putting their money where their mouth was.
I suppose that a geographical/family etc tie to a club will always generate the strongest bond but, logically, it is still possible to a 'real' supporter in other circumstances, if you invest your heart and soul (and a litle cash if you've got it) to support your club.
Personally, I hope we do generate a huge fanbase around the world. The more the merrier. If someone from Cork or Cornwall can become a 'true' Gooner it must be possible (though more difficult) for someone from Malaysia or China, who are equally bereft of decent local football.
I agree with a lot of that tbh. I think the strongest bond comes from genuinely having links to a club/ area but as you say, if people are actively putting their money where their mouth is and putting in the time as well to support their side (long coach journeys etc) then its certainly much better than those who never go to matches. I think when it comes to fans with no links to a place/ club its natural to "judge" them a bit to see if they're actually a good fan or whether they are only supporting for the success/ expected success. I know a Swedish lad who supports Sunderland, no links to the area but i dont doubt his passion for the club- he started supporting us when, by our standards, we were good but since then he has been spending hundreds of quid to come and watch us when we were in the championship. Having stuck with us through record low point seasons and with us not being a successful club to begin with, its easy to class him as a very good supporter.
A lot of other foreign (or British with no link) lads havent been that "lucky" in that they've never been able to prove their loyalty. I met a plastic gooner (never been to games, blatantly not passionate) and he tried to claim hes a real fan because he's "stuck it out" despite not winning anything for 6 years- thats 6 years of constantly finishing top 4, it'd be interesting to see if he'd still stick it out in the championship. Some would, some wouldnt, its just impossible to tell- those that at least spend money and time going to games prove they have something about them though. I also think its a good sign if they support a big club but also go to watch some local games, be it Irish league, Malaysian league or whatever- if they do then it shows they genuinely love football and would rather turn up and watch a game than sit in the house watching a PL game not involving their side and it shows they still support their local football scene- people who totally shun their local teams and will "only watch man united" tend to have some totally misplaced feeling that they're too good to sit and watch what can often be not much better than a kick around standard and that feeling of smugness and entitlement is what pisses me off about a lot of plastics- they arent better simpy because they chose to support a better team.