Racism in Milan (12/3)

Post by **gooner.ed** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:44 pm

http://www.onlinegooner.com/exclusive/index.php?id=554

usual thread starterâ€¦ very depressing to get a contribution like this. I guess prejudice is often a result of ignorance or upbringing, sometimes a mixture of the two. No idea of the solution to these types of people.

Perhaps re-arranging their craniums with a sledgehammer might result in a less offensive individual at the end of the processâ€¦ if you hit them hard enough.

Rainham Red · Post by **Rainham Red** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:06 pm

Sorry you had to endure that Lucy but unfortunately it`s symptomatic of our society today.No discipline,no respect for authority the youngsters of today thanks to political correctness know they can get away with virtually anything.Until we get a government which brings back the old values and parents take more responsibility for their children we will continue to descend into the gutter.

U.F.G Anfield '89 · Post by **U.F.G Anfield '89** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:09 pm

sledgehammer? hmmm i think a vice would be a better method, anyone seen casino?

Rainham Red · Post by **Rainham Red** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:21 pm

You mean that bit where his eye popped out? I`ll go along with that.

GoonerJim · Post by **GoonerJim** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:11 pm

''and even racist songs about one of our own players (Emmanuel Adebayour).'' Firstly its spelt ADEBAYOR! secondly if you were truly in Duomo square you would have seen these con artists trying to sell you wristbands while claiming to be adebayors brother - the song goes ''Adebayoor Adebayoooorrrr - his brothers sell wristbands at the tube door ''

She has taken that completely out of context

btw - i wasnt on the tube when all the other songs were being sung so cant comment on those.

mike · Post by **mike** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:36 pm

Oh the old Y*ddo arguement comes up again!! I understand that certain Arsenal fans find it offensive, but don't gay people find Ashley Cole chants equally as offensive or Arsenal fans that are overweight finding You fat ba*tard chants at Frank Lump a Lard offensive? Where will It end? Songs about the holocaust are disgusting but I have no problem refering to Spurs as Y*ddos. I always have and I always will. AS for the racism against black players, If this Is the case It is revolting, but I do find it hard to believe as I've never put ARsenal supporters into that bracket. I've certainly never heard any. As for the Adebayor song, that is funny, NOT RACIST!

NBN · Post by **NBN** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:47 pm

Yet another article about some isolated anti-semetic chanting, how fucking boring. It happens, get over it, end of.

Arsenalscoop · Post by **Arsenalscoop** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:53 pm

I am the author of the piece and I apologise for the Ade typo.

I did hear the song about the friendship bracelet guys in the Duomo (how annoying were they?!) and that is NOT the song I was talking about. I was prompted to write in because although the chanting was isolated it was embarrassing to hear especially when it continued after people had asked them to stop.

mike · Post by **mike** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:19 pm

In that case I am shocked and It Is sad to hear.

Post by **gooner.ed** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:30 pm

Arsenalscoop wrote:I am the author of the piece and I apologise for the Ade typo.

Guilty there too. I do give submitted pieces a quick once over and tidy up ahead of posting, but occasionally stuff slips through. Once posted, it's a major headache to change text, so if the meaning isn't altered by the error, I tend to leave it.

I actually thought this piece was worth posting because Arsenal have been the victims of racism in Europe, but if our own fans can't raise themselves above the level of oppo fans, then can we really expect them to learn from our example? Appreciate it's a very small minority, but on occasions, a sadly vocal one.

Bottom line though is that if people continue to submit experiences like this for publication, I'll run them. It may be boring, but I refuse to ignore it. That would indicate tolerance on my part, and I am not convinced that is the best way to go.

Might seem harmless to some, but from acorns...

rolypoly · Post by **rolypoly** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:47 pm

HULLO LUCY

agree with most of your comments but maybe you ought to be more selective as whose company you choose to share on these trips.

whats prompted me to reply is your comment about the gooners entertaining tourists pre - match in duomo square. ihope yourcomment was tongue in cheek but i fear not. i would have no idea what tourists you are referring to but i bet the locals were anything but entertained and impressed.

i was not there that afternoon nor did i hear racist chanting anywhere but next day i read the local italian newspaper -my italian is ltd but my spanish aint bad and so pretty easy to get the gist - and apart from reporting 4 wankers who destroyed one floor of a hotel - they should be named and shamed and banned for life from going anywhere near another arsenal match - there was a report and photo about 300 or so drunken gooners in the square singing and dancing and one minor skirmish when some local ac milan fans dared show their faces.

lets get it right. the mobs who congregate in foreign city squares are morons dickheads and sheep-they have no interest in the local culture and while their drunken antics may entertain each other they piss off the locals cos the behaviour is nothing but boorish and obnoxious. these morons are so insecure they have to congregate in large groups because they have the need to draw attention to themselves andthat is the only way they know how before retreating to their boring lives back home.

these are the same morons and dickheads you hear speaking loudly in airport waiting areas and on planes. have you not noticed how many morons speak loudly thinking that in doing so everyone around will give more importance to the rubbish they are spouting.

its these morons dickheads and sheep who gather in the duomo square pre-match who more likely to be racist. so the answer is dont be a sheep-do something different than the safe boring option of hanging around the main square on match day -milan is big enough to get well away from the mob - and you will have a far more pleasant time.

incidentally i`m jewish and chants about **** dont bother me personally but thats me. i`m not totally convinced the term **** is an insult but be that as it may michael is a completely arrogant shit who firmly fits into my category of moron and dickhead. he a non jew says its ok by him to call others **** so therefore its ok. wrong. your opinion you racist shit is worthless. if someone is offended by being called a **** because they feel its racist then there`s no argument - you dont do it.

as for the other idiot who says the subject of racism is boring, dont know how often you use this forum but regretfully it appears to be monopolised by a clique of morons and dickheads. they are more concerned about how you spell ade`s name than the substance of your article. regetfully your sensible words will not make a scrap of difference . the same morons dickheads and sheep will congregate in the next foreign town we visit.

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:19 pm

I only come on here now to read your posts rolypoly.

Quality stuff!

You certainly parked your bum in the town square of your favourite subject.....BRITS ABROAD

Agree though that the locals are unlikely to have been entertained by what passes for "colourful behaviour".

GoonerJim · Post by **GoonerJim** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:54 pm

rolypoly wrote:HULLO LUCY

agree with most of your comments but maybe you ought to be more selective as whose company you choose to share on these trips.

whats prompted me to reply is your comment about the gooners entertaining tourists pre - match in duomo square. ihope yourcomment was tongue in cheek but i fear not. i would have no idea what tourists you are referring to but i bet the locals were anything but entertained and impressed.

i was not there that afternoon nor did i hear racist chanting anywhere but next day i read the local italian newspaper -my italian is ltd but my spanish aint bad and so pretty easy to get the gist - and apart from reporting 4 wankers who destroyed one floor of a hotel - they should be named and shamed and banned for life from going anywhere near another arsenal match - there was a report and photo about 300 or so drunken gooners in the square singing and dancing and one minor skirmish when some local ac milan fans dared show their faces.

lets get it right. the mobs who congregate in foreign city squares are morons dickheads and sheep-they have no interest in the local culture and while their drunken antics may entertain each other they piss off the locals cos the behaviour is nothing but boorish and obnoxious. these morons are so insecure they have to congregate in large groups because they have the need to draw attention to themselves andthat is the only way they know how before retreating to their boring lives back home.

these are the same morons and dickheads you hear speaking loudly in airport waiting areas and on planes. have you not noticed how many morons speak loudly thinking that in doing so everyone around will give more importance to the rubbish they are spouting.

its these morons dickheads and sheep who gather in the duomo square pre-match who more likely to be racist. so the answer is dont be a sheep-do something different than the safe boring option of hanging around the main square on match day -milan is big enough to get well away from the mob - and you will have a far more pleasant time.

incidentally i`m jewish and chants about y**s dont bother me personally but thats me. i`m not totally convinced the term y** is an insult but be that as it may michael is a completely arrogant shit who firmly fits into my category of moron and dickhead. he a non jew says its ok by him to call others y** so therefore its ok. wrong. your opinion you racist shit is worthless. if someone is offended by being called a y** because they feel its racist then there`s no argument - you dont do it.

as for the other idiot who says the subject of racism is boring, dont know how often you use this forum but regretfully it appears to be monopolised by a clique of morons and dickheads. they are more concerned about how you spell ade`s name than the substance of your article. regetfully your sensible words will not make a scrap of difference . the same morons dickheads and sheep will congregate in the next foreign town we visit.

I was in Duomo square - i visited the Cathedral, had a good look around the other buildings in the vacinity of Duomo square.

I played football in the square with Italian AC fans who were very courteous as was i and had a few laughs with them, i had beer, i sang songs and incidentally am not 'racist' so do you label me as the above?

So now comes my real point - WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHO IS A DICKHEAD OR A MORON??? ITS IGNORANT *word censored* LIKE YOU THAT REALLY PISS ME OFF! YOU EVEN SAID YOU WERENT THERE IN THE SQUARE SO WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE ON WHAT HAPPENED???????

I am not a loudmouth in an airport nor am i a 'sheep' i shall go wherever the fuck i please! The fact you have labelled those that were there with a blanket statement sums up what an ignorant, arrogant prick you are!

JimmyD · Post by **JimmyD** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:55 pm

New to the forum and rolypoly you are spot on. The Duomo Dunces made me ashamed to be a gooner. The place to sing is at the stadium where we did ourselves proud for the whole 90 minutes.

I take the view that when I'm abroad I'm an ambassador for club and country and invading town squares intimidating the locals just gives us a bad name. Too many Brits abroad get shockingly pissed. We might think it's OK but the locals don't. You don't see pissed up Milanese blokes on the way to the San Siro, its only us with bottle in hand and spares in our pockets.

I didn't hear any of the stuff Lucy heard but it is so obviously unacceptable that it is amazing anyone bothers to argue otherwise. We are more of a Jewish club than Spurs anyway. Ban them - they are the opposite of what Arsenal stands for.

GoonerJim · Post by **GoonerJim** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:59 pm

JimmyD wrote:New to the forum and rolypoly you are spot on. The Duomo Dunces made me ashamed to be a gooner. The place to sing is at the stadium where we did ourselves proud for the whole 90 minutes.

I take the view that when I'm abroad I'm an ambassador for club and country and invading town squares intimidating the locals just gives us a bad name. Too many Brits abroad get shockingly pissed. We might think it's OK but the locals don't. You don't see pissed up Milanese blokes on the way to the San Siro, its only us with bottle in hand and spares in our pockets.

I didn't hear any of the stuff Lucy heard but it is so obviously unacceptable that it is amazing anyone bothers to argue otherwise. We are more of a Jewish club than Spurs anyway. Ban them - they are the opposite of what Arsenal stands for.

What exactly happened in the square that made you feel ashamed?

And I saw plenty of pissed up Milanese at the Home leg btw