Tactics or Players?

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Re: Tactics or Players?

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SammyDroppedHisShorts wrote:Which coach is out there who is both tactically astute and available?
And which coaches do you regard as tactical masters?
Yawn.

I'm sure there were Chelski fans who said the same when AVB was wanted out.
Di Matteo proves that such managers are out there.
It is not the job of the fans to name them FFS, it's the job of the people in charge to identify them. As they did with the unknown Wenger back in the day...
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Re: Tactics or Players?

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Our 4-2-3-1 formation is not a problem.

The problem is that the players are attentive enough to their roles and to team shape.

Which is probably caused by poor coaching.

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Pretty much what Quartz says.

There are times when we're failing to break down shit teams at the bowl that I think we could use a second striker but our formation is the generally accepted 'modern' formation.

The problem is that our midfield has little to no defensive awareness, only Arteta does any kind of job in there, which often causes our centre backs to overcompensate by playing a suicidal defensive line and trying to nick in and win the ball at the first opportunity. Oh and our fullbacks are constantly going walkies.

Which is why I love koscielny, any centre half who can grow his reputation playing for our shower is some player indeed.

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Re: Tactics or Players?

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Wengers Model which has been adopted for all games since 2006 doesn't work firstly because we dont have the quality of players to make it work ,and secondly because we never vary it so teams know EXACTLY how we will play.

As someone on here has said a George Graham team would never lose 8-2 in a league game to anyone because he would pick a system to fit the players he had at his disposal.
It appalled me to see our depleted team trying to play tip tap at OT without the required skills to do so !

We need Big Signings yes but we do need a coaching overhaul but I dont see the appointment of Bould bringing anything new !

Again anyone who has been to underhill over the last few years would know this .

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Re: Tactics or Players?

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Herd wrote:Wengers Model which has been adopted for all games since 2006 doesn't work firstly because we dont have the quality of players to make it work ,and secondly because we never vary it so teams know EXACTLY how we will play.

As someone on here has said a George Graham team would never lose 8-2 in a league game to anyone because he would pick a system to fit the players he had at his disposal.
It appalled me to see our depleted team trying to play tip tap at OT without the required skills to do so !

We need Big Signings yes but we do need a coaching overhaul but I dont see the appointment of Bould bringing anything new !

Again anyone who has been to underhill over the last few years would know this .
Spot on.

I must admit i havent seen much of the reserves but id love Bould to make an impact

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Re: Tactics or Players?

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g88ner wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:but I don't think that team would ever get an 8-2 thumping at Old Trafford
But a George Graham team did lose 6-2 in the Rumbelows Cup at Old Trafford in 1990.

All managers have their embarrassing defeats. Even Fergie lost 6-1 at home to Citeh this season.
Ahhhh....I knew someone would bring that one up. I was there in the North Bank that day when Lee Sharpe scored a hat-trick and it was a freak result coming as it did in the season where we lost one league game and set a new goals conceded record - very much went against the grain.

Of course these results can happen every so often but look at the frequency of these with Wenger - the two 4-4 draws with Newcastle and Spurs, throwing away nailed on winning positons. I don't think I'd witness a GG side chucking away two goals in injury time or a 4-0 half time lead, because there was a discipline and tactical nous to close out winning positions. A Wenger side would never have had the discipline to keep a clean sheet against a modern day equivalent of the Parma side containing Asprilla, Zola and Brolin either.

GG was also a stubborn bugger too - he flatly refused to buy the quality we needed in midfield in the mid 90s, so I'm not saying he was perfect at all - but what he did do was go into any game and give himself a chance of winning tactically. Di Matteo has done the same with Chelsea - they haven't become a better side than Barcelona overnight, but what they did do was to work out that going out there and trying to take them on at their own game would never work. Wenger's had his arse kicked by Barcelona twice in recent years but you just know that if we went there again next season he'd approach it exactly the same way, and we'd end up with exactly the same result.

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