England (Liverpool?) Squad Euro 2012

[Gunnersaurus]

Hey, think of your own gags.

[Nos89]

I think Kelly was called as a rb specialist, Phil Jones can play DM, CB or RB. With one less CB, I guess an extra rb was needed as Jones would be needed to cover CB. Anyway after Johnson and Richards, is there an English rb that is fit to go?

In any case if worse comes to the worse Theo can play there

[1989]

Excluded/Injured England XI:

---------------Ruddy------------------
Walker---Cahill---Smalling---Gibbs
Lennon---Carrick---Wilshere---Johnson
---------Sturridge-----Bent------------

Subs: Stockdale, Ferdinand, Richards, Barry, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch


Would've been better than the one going.

[safcftm]

If true that Richards refused to be on stand by then he is a fucking disgrace, as is Carrick. Read an interview with Richards where he was on about how much he'll be supporting his country in the euros and hoped to do well enough to get in the side in the future all that, was quite impressed with his attitude but if its true that he refused to be on the stand by list then he is a wanker. I'd actually charge players with treason if they refuse to represent their country tbh

[1989]

He made the right call on Ferdinand, Benzima and Zlatan would make him look like Anton.

I'm sorry what?

Rio is miles better than Terry and Jones and would walk into this England side even in his current state.

Terry will get ripped to pieces by Ukraine's forwards, let alone Ibrahimovic and Benzema.

It's an utter joke that Rio hasn't been called up, and an insult that some Liverpool no-mark has been preferred to him.

Woy's citing of 'footballing reasons' as an attempt to justify leaving Rio out is complete bollocks as well, as proved by him again being snubbed for Martin Kelly (who?). It's not like Rio has shut the door on Woy either unlike Richards and Carrick.

We all know it has nothing to do with football and it all points to the manager's fear not to displease a racist pikey.

This whole ordeal along with some rather head scratching decisions and player selections make Woy's tenure a disastrous one thus far.

He'll deserve all the stick that's undoubtedly coming his way following yet another dreadful England campaign.

[Gunnersaurus]

He hasn't been snubbed for Kelly, Kelly has come in as there is no other cover at right back, he has been nubbed because Terry, Lescott, Jagielka and Jones are all ahead of him.

After the WC people wanted change, tournament experience for Kelly, Wellbeck, Jones and Chamberlin is useful as they will be at the next WC, broken down Ferdinand whose own club manager said is incapable of playing 3 games in a week won't.

No disgrace at all, he don't cut it anymore and has looked a liability at times for.United.

[1989]

How can Jones get picked ahead of him in the CB position when he's not even considered a CB by Fergie, let alone to be better than Rio?

And you'll never convince me that Terry is better than Rio, sorry no chance.

Also Jagielka? come on now. Lescott I'll give you, but that's it.

[Gunnersaurus]

I don't need to convince you, neither does Hodgson, There's nothing in it between him and Terry, both are winding down, Lescott had a better season than all of them.and Jagielka has been solid for years.

Jones is another issue, he's going to gain experience as he is the future like the other young players will be.

We could argue this all week but at the end of the day Ferdinand is not an outstanding player that is owed his place anymore

[safcftm]

I don't need to convince you, neither does Hodgson, There's nothing in it between him and Terry, both are winding down, Lescott had a better season than all of them.and Jagielka has been solid for years.

Jones is another issue, he's going to gain experience as he is the future like the other young players will be.

We could argue this all week but at the end of the day Ferdinand is not an outstanding player that is owed his place anymore

richards and johnson can play right back, they should have been ahead of jones, and ferdinand should have been there. TBH if i was accused of racism at work i wouldnt be allowed to turn up so why is Terry? I'd never have had him near the side, Ferdinand is the real England captain, Terry should have been fucked off and nothing will convince me otherwise

[northbank123]

Jones being able to "cover" CM or CB is a laugh. He is United's 3rd choice right-back and has never been a competent centre-mid, and Ferguson has learned his lesson about playing him at centre-half. He's no better at CB than Richards and he's hardly impressed even at RB in an England shirt (Montenegro and Norway).

Some of the names in there are a joke (Kelly and Henderson particularly) but Carrick and Richards must be regretting their decisions now. However they feel they've been treated by past managers refusing to be on the stand-by list (considering the likelihood of injuries at this point in the season) is foolish and a disgrace. I cannot agree with people advocating going crawling back to average players to beg them to play. Carrick's attitude in particular annoys me as it's not like he is a great player, the only thing between him and mediocrity was Ferguson throwing too much money at Spurs and making him look better than he is by surrounding him with quality, if he'd stayed at Spurs we'd all see how good he really was. Just another example of Ferguson leaning on his players to sack off their countries (Giggs and Scholes).

As for Rio, he is a much better defender than some that are currently in the frame. However, injuries to other players do nothing to change the fact that, even if he remained fit, he wouldn't be able to play every game and would therefore be of limited use. Even if he was second choice he would still ultimately have to be able to play every game.

[safcftm]

Jones being able to "cover" CM or CB is a laugh. He is United's 3rd choice right-back and has never been a competent centre-mid, and Ferguson has learned his lesson about playing him at centre-half. He's no better at CB than Richards and he's hardly impressed even at RB in an England shirt (Montenegro and Norway).

Some of the names in there are a joke (Kelly and Henderson particularly) but Carrick and Richards must be regretting their decisions now. However they feel they've been treated by past managers refusing to be on the stand-by list (considering the likelihood of injuries at this point in the season) is foolish and a disgrace. I cannot agree with people advocating going crawling back to average players to beg them to play. Carrick's attitude in particular annoys me as it's not like he is a great player, the only thing between him and mediocrity was Ferguson throwing too much money at Spurs and making him look better than he is by surrounding him with quality, if he'd stayed at Spurs we'd all see how good he really was. Just another example of Ferguson leaning on his players to sack off their countries (Giggs and Scholes).

As for Rio, he is a much better defender than some that are currently in the frame. However, injuries to other players do nothing to change the fact that, even if he remained fit, he wouldn't be able to play every game and would therefore be of limited use. Even if he was second choice he would still ultimately have to be able to play every game.

Good post, agree with all that. It really does disgust me how many fucking average players seem to be turning their backs on England nowadays, who the fuck do they think they are? Fucking Michael Carrick? He's an average central midfielder at best- not prepared to be a back up? Stop being so fucking average then you shit prick, some fucking loss he is, I'd have Oxlade-Chamberlain ahead of him in the middle any day since at least he can do something unexpected, Michael Carrick is fucking hopeless, wanked over by the media because he plays for Man United and can pass 5 yards, mint, that'll win us the tournament that like, he's a fucking abortion of a footballer. Richards is the same, full of how he's supporting us at the euros, fuck off you Judas prick, if you arent prepared to be on stand by for your country then you're a fucking disgrace of a man. Footballing wise he should be there, but as a human being he has shown his true nature and I don't want him anywhere near the england side now or any time in the future. I wonder how many players have turned down Spain or Germany? I reckon not many, most have a bit of pride. I would have taken Richards but tbh in the heat of a battle we dont need prima donna pricks like him and Carrick, fuck them, I'd rather have lads like Henderson and Kelly who will at least bring their boots and turn up for their country, the other two are traitors and I'd happily see them locked up in the tower of london, fuck them

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Hodgson had an opportunity to clear the England set up from the vile Terry (remember his disgusting antics in 2010?!?!) and failed. Terry is a decent centre back that has played in some very good defences at Chelsea. Rio is the only world class centre back we have and has basically been shafted out in place of a racist, two bob scum bag.

Terry showed his mental state in the CL semi and his class in the CL final.

Jags has been injured most of the season & Jones has spent the year playing everywhere but centre back. Terry has been below average in a side that finished 6th and missed his sides only great performances of the season... Rio isn't in that side for footballing reasons! It's a disgrace.

I was very vocal in agreeing with the appointment of Hodgson but this whole episode has left me VERY disappointed.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Oh, and yes, Hodgson does have to convince us! If Terry is below par, costs us a game or gets injured and his cover doesn't perform adequately then questions need to be asked as to why Rio wasn't in that squad.

To be honest though. Questions need to asked as to why Downing and Henderson were allowed anywhere nere the England setup

[Herd]

Woy cant lose ,for the first time ever nobody expects England to do anything the usual ridiculous hype isn't there .
He wont be burdened by the usual WAG and media circus, the Wags have been scared off ,and half the Press that normally go wont bother beacuse of the location and the paucity of support that's going over too.
I do laugh at those who are warning off anyone of colour going though ,racism on the continent is still rife in Italy ,Spain,Portugal,never mind the backwaters of eastern Europe !
The only controversy in the whole thing was picking Terry instead of Rio as it's clear they wont be played together ever again.
If Roy had stated that obvious fact he wouldn't be getting stick now.

[augie]

Jones being able to "cover" CM or CB is a laugh. He is United's 3rd choice right-back and has never been a competent centre-mid, and Ferguson has learned his lesson about playing him at centre-half. He's no better at CB than Richards and he's hardly impressed even at RB in an England shirt (Montenegro and Norway).

Some of the names in there are a joke (Kelly and Henderson particularly) but Carrick and Richards must be regretting their decisions now. However they feel they've been treated by past managers refusing to be on the stand-by list (considering the likelihood of injuries at this point in the season) is foolish and a disgrace. I cannot agree with people advocating going crawling back to average players to beg them to play. Carrick's attitude in particular annoys me as it's not like he is a great player, the only thing between him and mediocrity was Ferguson throwing too much money at Spurs and making him look better than he is by surrounding him with quality, if he'd stayed at Spurs we'd all see how good he really was. Just another example of Ferguson leaning on his players to sack off their countries (Giggs and Scholes).

As for Rio, he is a much better defender than some that are currently in the frame. However, injuries to other players do nothing to change the fact that, even if he remained fit, he wouldn't be able to play every game and would therefore be of limited use. Even if he was second choice he would still ultimately have to be able to play every game.

Good post, agree with all that. It really does disgust me how many fucking average players seem to be turning their backs on England nowadays, who the fuck do they think they are? Fucking Michael Carrick? He's an average central midfielder at best- not prepared to be a back up? Stop being so fucking average then you shit prick, some fucking loss he is, I'd have Oxlade-Chamberlain ahead of him in the middle any day since at least he can do something unexpected, Michael Carrick is fucking hopeless, wanked over by the media because he plays for Man United and can pass 5 yards, mint, that'll win us the tournament that like, he's a fucking abortion of a footballer. Richards is the same, full of how he's supporting us at the euros, fuck off you Judas prick, if you arent prepared to be on stand by for your country then you're a fucking disgrace of a man. Footballing wise he should be there, but as a human being he has shown his true nature and I don't want him anywhere near the england side now or any time in the future. I wonder how many players have turned down Spain or Germany? I reckon not many, most have a bit of pride. I would have taken Richards but tbh in the heat of a battle we dont need prima donna pricks like him and Carrick, fuck them, I'd rather have lads like Henderson and Kelly who will at least bring their boots and turn up for their country, the other two are traitors and I'd happily see them locked up in the tower of london, fuck them

I would agree with most of that but I do believe that, international football being the way it is, carrick is more suited to it then you say. There is no way I would want him in The Arsenal team but international football is about possession ball and being comfortable on the ball and those are the two of the few traits that carrick has. I have always felt that one of the biggest obstacles england has that stops them from winning a major trophy is their inability to adapt to the different style required for international football - hustle, bustle and 100 mile an hour football works well in the prem but when you are playing against a team of quality internationals then you cannot be hoofing a ball back to them every few minutes and that is where the likes of carrick comes in handy and where the likes of walnut really gets shown up ability wise.

I do totally agree with you re your attitude to players refusing to go on the stand by list - we had a c**t from cork a few years back who picked and choosed when he wanted to turn up for his country and wales had another dickhead from the same club who didnt play for his country in a friendly until near the end of his international career and imo but of these c**ts should have been told to do one and if they had of been playing for smaller clubs that most certainly would have happened. Ferdinand though is a different story - he didnt refuse to travel or go on stand-by and should have been in the squad every day of the week ahead of the pikey racist. Yes I am aware of his injury probs and the concerns about playing 3 games in a week (although looking through the fixtures I dont see that occuring at all ) but he is miles ahead of terry as a footballer and has the pace that the racist c**t never has and for all the talk about ferdinands decline in standards there is no doubt that terry's has been even more dramatic