AST vs Gazidis

[arseofacrow]

I would rather be there than shopping in ikea or watching on a illegal stream hearing the boys sing away

It’s a no brainer really.

Shopping at Ikea is underrated mate

[mikeyb772001]

I would rather be there than shopping in ikea or watching on a illegal stream hearing the boys sing away

It’s a no brainer really.

Shopping at Ikea is underrated mate

Not when you spend more on candles and plants than you would at the footie

hmmmm 2.30pm Ikea looking at water plants and stones

2.30pm the bailey pub drinking jaga bombs singing songs at rival fans walking past...

[OneBardGooner]

ps: I also understand those who feel the same as us - ie: wenger must go etc....but choose to keep attending games, I know of someone who has been a Gooner (attending games for over 25 years) and a ST holder for 10, who has given up their Season Ticket because they can't stand the way things are run anymore...But (hopefully) when things DO eventually change - He'll return to going to games BUT sadly he'll be without a ST

It's a Sad, Bad situation and it's getting worse and worse.

[augie]

To be fair baba, and I do agree with most of what you have said, but the financial boycott you propose is like the slow boat to china in that it will take a long time to bear any results. Strong vocal protests and thousands of empty seats in the ground sends a loud IMMEDIATE message through the media and directly to the club itself whilst we would be waiting for the half yearly or end of year accounts to show any effect a boycott will have on accounts. From that point of view your decision not to spend any money isnt really gonna shake the club anytime soon and it also is a very fragmented form of protest which can undermined by the thousands of Gooners that never even attend a game. Thousands of empty seats in the ground or thousands of supporters protesting at the directors entrance suggests a more unified protest to me and would carry a louder message as a result

[OneBardGooner]

Mixed morning for me so far...........sometimes I feel very angry about all this shit whilst other times I feel total and utter despair

Time for all those pro wenger and anti usmanov morons to face facts........this club is fcuked in it's current guise and will be soon christened as the everton of the south - too good for most of the teams over a season but nowhere good enough to really challenge for the big trophies and will be financed by the sale of a top player each season

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

It's really starting to get to me......FFS!!!!

[Babatunde]

Few answers:

OneBard you are on it. The thing with this "someone else will take your place" argument is that it's not actually strictly true. Hear me out: Kroenke and his assistant tard (known as Wenger to you), are relying on interchangeable, day tripping, glory hunting know-nothings to attend. The problem with this business model, is that it's predicated on success.
And Arsenal simply ain't successful enough, or have enough star quality to keep this scam going. Ask yourself: when we were not winning in 2006, 2007 etc, you could at the very least point to Henry, Pires, Ljungberg, Cole, Silva rtc big footballing names. Your model can work then.

When Manure won nothing for 3 years they still had Ronaldo, Beckham and RVN. You'll always pull in the punters.

Liverpool thought they could forever carry on selling their brand, despite not having win the league for over 10 years back in early 2000s. And guess what? They ended up with overpaid overpriced dross like LeTallec, Heskey, Pongolle, Nunez, Barragan and an average brand of football. Remember this is a team with 5 European cups.

Arsenal are in a very similar boat to Liverpool and the parallels ate frightening: for LeTallec read Denilson, for Traore read Diaby, for Biscan read Song etc...actually at least the Mickeys then went on to win the CL again in 2005 and then make another final.

Arsenal day trippers will quickly realise they are following duds, look over the Fulham road at the European champs - where the tickets are cheaper and they get to see better players...and decamp. That's the problem when you cater to the glory hunter: they need glory! At Arsenal you watch mediocre players, average football and it's expensive. Oh and you'll never see a trophy. So, considering there are now more ambitious, successful clubs in London, do you really think the "someone will take your place" still applies? It doesn't. Arsenal's constant failure will erode the day tripper fan base Wenger and Kroenke so dearly adore.

Mikey. Sorry mate but your excuse doesn't fly.
I've been going to the Arsenal since 1983, and there is no chance in hell I can support Arsenal in its current form, economically. You do realise that you contribute towards the malaise that Kroenke has instilled don't you? You can't rally for change and ambition on one hand, but then feed the hand that fucks you on the other. I know what it's like to enjoy with your mates and yes, I do miss going to games but, my club's future is more important than watching a 3-3 draw with Norwich or a 0-0 with Chelski reserves.

[flash gunner]

That long reply and not any (civil) answer to my post Youve hurt me Baba

[Babatunde]

To be fair baba, and I do agree with most of what you have said, but the financial boycott you propose is like the slow boat to china in that it will take a long time to bear any results. Strong vocal protests and thousands of empty seats in the ground sends a loud IMMEDIATE message through the media and directly to the club itself whilst we would be waiting for the half yearly or end of year accounts to show any effect a boycott will have on accounts. From that point of view your decision not to spend any money isnt really gonna shake the club anytime soon and it also is a very fragmented form of protest which can undermined by the thousands of Gooners that never even attend a game. Thousands of empty seats in the ground or thousands of supporters protesting at the directors entrance suggests a more unified protest to me and would carry a louder message as a result

You make very good points here Augie...

[officepest]

Here's the thing:

We've won nothing for years, we used to play great football and were unsuccessful and now we play predictable tipp-tappy and are unsuccessful. The Fans still turn up, and the Wobarmy are still a minority.

Boycotting financially, boycotting games etc will make no difference until the majority of fans wake up and realise what is actually happening. Once the last asset has been sold and replaced by another no-mark, once the greatest con-job since the banks were refinanced with your money is complete, then there will be a wind of change.

Until such time all our collective frustration will be for naught.

It's not worth getting irate about any longer, the die has been cast. Your football club is in control, go back to sleep. You are free to do as we tell you.

[mcdowell42]

Dont know if this has been posted but its a report about last nights meeting

http://www.arsenaltrust.org/news/2012/i ... -qa-report

[kite]

Here's the thing:

We've won nothing for years, we used to play great football and were unsuccessful and now we play predictable tipp-tappy and are unsuccessful. The Fans still turn up, and the Wobarmy are still a minority.

Boycotting financially, boycotting games etc will make no difference until the majority of fans wake up and realise what is actually happening. Once the last asset has been sold and replaced by another no-mark, once the greatest con-job since the banks were refinanced with your money is complete, then there will be a wind of change.

Until such time all our collective frustration will be for naught.

It's not worth getting irate about any longer, the die has been cast. Your football club is in control, go back to sleep. You are free to do as we tell you.

How long do you reckon will it take for the majority to "wake up"?

[augie]

Dont know if this has been posted but its a report about last nights meeting

http://www.arsenaltrust.org/news/2012/i ... -qa-report

Have always found stillman to appear pompous and his opening paragraphs do nothing to dispel that belief - "it's better to be inside the tent"............what kind of bullshit is that ?

It seems to have slipped by un-noticed but when questioned about last summers departures the yank said something along the lines of "It's a difficult sell for me to tell you selling Fabregas is a step forward, a difficult sell indeed. But we had to move forward with players that wanted to be here"..........does that mean the club will be adopting the same policy re rvp this summer despite public proclaimations to the contrary ? I have always advocated selling our captain if he dont sign a new deal but there are probably fools out there who believed wenger when he said that rvp will be kept next season even if he doesnt sign a new deal and those fools probably renewed season tickets and memberships on the back of that commitment from wenger

[Babatunde]

Dont know if this has been posted but its a report about last nights meeting

http://www.arsenaltrust.org/news/2012/i ... -qa-report

Have always found stillman to appear pompous and his opening paragraphs do nothing to dispel that belief - "it's better to be inside the tent"............what kind of bullshit is that ?

It seems to have slipped by un-noticed but when questioned about last summers departures the yank said something along the lines of "It's a difficult sell for me to tell you selling Fabregas is a step forward, a difficult sell indeed. But we had to move forward with players that wanted to be here"..........does that mean the club will be adopting the same policy re rvp this summer despite public proclaimations to the contrary ? I have always advocated selling our captain if he dont sign a new deal but there are probably fools out there who believed wenger when he said that rvp will be kept next season even if he doesnt sign a new deal and those fools probably renewed season tickets and memberships on the back of that commitment from wenger

Stillman is a fucking blithering idiot. A joke.
He has been alive less time than most of us have supported the Arsenal and yet talks in his oh-so-erudite claptrappy way as if he is some kind of voice of representation. If you've got hours of your life you would like to waste reading the literary equivalent of slow carbon monoxide inhalation, go on Vital Football and read any of the frankly comical Wenger-licking garbage this author 'writes'.

[QuartzGooner]

I would like to see Stillman post here regularly.

I believed he was one who has locked an arsenalfcnotplc thread on another Forum, his replies on that thread were so arrogant as to make Babatunde seem the humblest of all men.

So I tweeted him about it, and to be fair he replied sensibly and said he was not in favour of locking the thread.

He does write as if he is an "Insider" and the rest of us are minions, though I got (unfairly in my opinion) accused of that on here before and I countered that it was just my writing style.

So I would like to see him post here to put his case.

One thing about him is that he is about 27, so for him he has known mostly good times and not stood/sat through the early 80's wilderness that I did, or the earlier periods of poor form that Olgit and Corkbarry did.

[frankbutcher]

Ahhhhhhhhh...... I'm glad you've stumbled onto the topic of Stillman, or LittleDutchVA as he is known on twitter. I have this to say.....

The guy is an utter *word censored*. You could not meet a more arrogant, conceited, morally corrupt, festering shyster. His sole involvement in the AST is for personal glory on his one-man ego trip around Europe. He follows Arsenal everywhere, and doesn't he want to shove it down your throat at every opportunity. His twitter account has a strong likeness to cancer.... in other words it gets everywhere, his followers keep growing and he's no good. He is the virus that infects fellow Arsenal supporters, brain-washing them into believing that the Club is good, Arsene is good, Gazidis is good. To see this prick on an away day is to witness a scurvy-ridden Leprauchan (he's not Irish) with his Brazilian hobbit bird in tow (no offence to BG ). As Quartz says, he showed himself to be an utter wanker over AFCPLC. The arrogance shown onVital Arsenal was off the scale. Saying that, to Stillman, you can add Payton, DarrenArsenal1 and Akhil10 as fellow AST members who seem to attract tens of thousands of twitter followers by posting inane bollocks about AST business. Do not be swayed by them. The AST and the AST members are in this for personal glory. If they were set on making a difference, they wouldn't be on twitter, they'd be in meetings with the Club. The whole thing is bullshit. Stillman and Payton are the king wankers in the whole set-up. *word censored* the lot of them.