Arsene Wenger question

[Zimgooner]

I'm just gonna call it as it is & I hope we all make meaningful contribution than waste time talking each other down,

Arshavin is having a blinder at the Euros playing in the hole as a supporting striker
Bendtener scored2 goals the other day
And today Theo gave a stunning performace sending Sweden packing while giving England a chance to qualify from the group stages.

Probably too early to say but........there is evidence that the three are performing.

So why are they all crap when playing for the Arsenal? Is Wenger the best manager?

[g88ner]

Bendtner scored goals for Arsenal when played down the middle. Problem was, Wenger seemed to be trying to convert him into a wide man

Theo is usually poor for England. He's had plenty of good games/cameo appearances like that for Arsenal too, remember.

As for Arshavin... I think he just lost interest in working hard for a team that wasn't in his heart. Whether that was Wenger's fault or Arshavin's is debatable.

[northbank123]

Walcott can be a great player to have coming off the bench when a change in style is needed, Barcelona 2010 being the prime example. Still, he's sh*t more often than not when he does come off the bench, today was one of those rare occasions where it was his type of game and he turned up.

Bendtner is somebody always capable of scoring because to his credit the one thing he does is get himself in the position to squander chances. Both of his goals were free headers from not very far out, I would hardly say that it's proof of him being better than most think (although I can't fathom the logic of employing him as an auxiliary winger).

Arshavin still has a lot of ability but at the end of the day his heart's not in it at Arsenal. He is better suited to the Russian team which is largely built around him and where he's not expected to track back at all. In the Poland game he was knackered second half because his fitness is dreadful, if that was a Premier League game people would be questioning why he wasn't working hard enough. At the end of the day look past the top few teams and the standard of international football is very poor, the likes of Poland would be a poor Premier League team.

[clockender1]

one swallow doesn't make a summer...

and Denmark still lost and Russia still drew.

I think AW was wrong to put Bendtner out wide, but you can't drop RvP.

And Arshaving should have been in the hole too, but until last season that's pretty much where Cesc played.

IMHO AA's best games for us were when RVP got injured and he played in the centre. Anfield was one of those games i think.


Walcott is still an enigma - he's an inconsistent finisher, but he persistently claims he's a centre forward, despite being played out wide by AW, Capello and Woy.

personally, i would have partnered Carroll with Walcott up front (think shearer and owen) for a combined threat of strength, aerial ability and pace.

[Rosie_titters]

because a season is over 38 games, and played over 9 months - and all 3 of them have shown eff all in that time

[clockender1]

because a season is over 38 games, and played over 9 months - and all 3 of them have shown eff all in that time more than once

fixed that for ya

[Gunnersaurus]

Bendtner through the middle is not the issue, he's had some shockers in the.middle like Burnley at home and didn't really pull up trees at Sunderland.

For me the issue is the sort of service he gets, he's good in the air but at this club we don't play to it.

He would probably be a sensation at Stoke which is his level.

[QuartzGooner]

Arshavin was chubby and did not train properly, that was solely down to him.
He could have been used in the Cesc role more effectively than on the left, but was he really better than Cesc?
Even if Arshavin was fed up with his position in the team, he should still show more effort and desire.

Bendtner is at the backup striker level, if he had a run in the team as main striker he would get 15 - 20 goals a season.
But he was never going to push Van Persie out of the team so credit to Bendtner for grafting hard on the wing but a move away was best for both parties; Bendtner's ego is too big to remain as second or third choice.

Walcott is inconsistent.
I do not think it is massively down to Wenger, just that he seems to be a "confidence player" who is susceptible to injuries which affect his form a lot, and it takes him a while to bounce back from those injuries.
But credit to him for showing spirit and keeping going.

It would be interesting to see Walcott get a role up front, but not as the sole striker in our current formation, only in partnership in a 4-4-2 or other formation.

So while Wenger has his faults, I do not believe these three players inconsistent performances are down to Wenger.

[supergeorgegraham]

Prem League is very tough. Its too hard for Arshavin and Bendtner but I have never said anything bad about Walcott.
Walcott does not do well in everygame but when he does he tends to make the difference.
Arshavin and Bender never do that.

[hugh jardon]

Another Wenger thread?

Bentdner has had ample chances to impress at Arsenal but failed to regularly deliver. Two goals for Denmark does not make me question if this is Wenger's fault rather than his down to his own attitude and ability.

Walcott has had a good domestic season, second top Arsenal goal scorer and set up lots of goals. If anything his England form is consistently poorer than his Arsenal form so this goes against your argument.

Arshavin was woeful last night against Greece. Normal service resumed then.

[OneBardGooner]

I'm just gonna call it as it is & I hope we all make meaningful contribution than waste time talking each other down,

Arshavin is having a blinder at the Euros playing in the hole as a supporting striker
Bendtener scored2 goals the other day
And today Theo gave a stunning performace sending Sweden packing while giving England a chance to qualify from the group stages.

Probably too early to say but........there is evidence that the three are performing.

So why are they all crap when playing for the Arsenal? Is Wenger the best manager?

Well, hindsight being the wonderful (and cruel) thing that it is, saw Arshavin return to (Very Poor) form, I was so hoping it would increase how much we get for him.

Theo simply needs 'confidence' confidence to take on defenders (and beat them) to trust to his own ability - which obviously has, otherwise he would never ever score or assist.

and as for bendy bollocks - his ship (at Arsenal) has long sailed...he is too inconsistent AND too opinionated in how Good he actually thinks he is...which seems to run in the family as his father is also always spouting off about how brilliant he (mistakenly) thinks his son is....

Arshavin - sooner he's gone the better (I don't think his bad form for us is all his fault either - being played out of position 99% of the time is bound to affect his game)

Bendy Bollocks - good riddance

Theo ???...well, if he doesn't make a Quatum Type Leap to excellence and consistency this coming season - then get shot.