THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[gunner_ace]

And now we have that Ladyarse preaching to the masses on twatter now that Usmonovs money is dirty therefore we don’t want him at the club. Whatever your opinion on Usmonov, I pointed out to her that Citeh's and chavskis money isnt exactly 'clean', whilst they are the ones winning all of the trophies. She replied to me that she doesn’t care about their money and winning trophies at any price isnt for her.

This is the conundrum we are faced with now. Like someone mentioned before we have all these pseudo ‘celeb' bloggers who probably only go to one or two games a season (I probably rightly assume since they all seem to live in Ireland, Sri-lanka, America and all over the shop), so in my opinion quite hypocritically say they don’t want this dirty money, yet probably chip only a few quid into the Arsenal pot each year themselves. They have these hoards of brainwashed followers who they’re getting to sing of the same hymn sheet and that’s when if me or you raise a voice of discontent we get shot down and told to eff off down the lane by their disciples.

What was that article from a few months back that dug into PHW & his relationships with Usmanov and the Russian mining companies? Point her in the direction of that...

ha ha. Ill have a look

[the playing mantis]

TS, agree to an extent but disagree to a larger extent. does abramovich expect to make money out of chelsea, or the arabs at city?

i think not. they are play things, status symbols and ego builders so they the rich guys can dbeate amongst themselves who has the best team. i think usmanov would be the same, he has another money and is of the background to suggest this would be a status symbol for him so in that sense he would be a fan and want whats best in the interests of the club.

kroenke is completely different animal and clearly after a return just as the glazers are

[Block_5_Gooner]

Don't know what to make of this...what Usmanov's people are saying makes perfect sense but their timing is pure opportunist..Arsenal, apparently had no idea that RVP's statement was coming yesterday but I can't believe that Red &White didn't. Their response is too quick and measured to believe otherwise. They may speak a good truth but they are also playing with our emotions at a time when those same emotions are running very high.

Agreed mate.

Does appear to be very quick and the fact that the letter has been LEAKED is no accident.

Arsenal knew RvP was leaving (See Giroud & Podolski) but yes didn't know RvP was going to make it public. Frustration? Harbouring a move? Ala Rooney? Or playing martyr? Who knows.

Red & White plays on this, mentions all our frustrations with the board due to there being no clarity. I don't expect everything to be public but so much is a secrete that it comes across very cloak and dagger. Which R&W play on.
The letter has divided opinion and will split fans.

Interestingly R&W support Wenger. Surely a Cat amongst the pigeon for a few.
Which I suspect has an element of David Dein about it.....maybe even RvP's statement.

Usmanov...
David Dein...
Darren Dein...
Robin van Persie...

I think we may be on to something here! Hmmm...it's almost as if the timing of this was such as to, rather than benefit the club they "love", play on and take advantage of the sensitivities of supporters who really do love the club as a means of furthering their own interests

I did think that except Darren Dein is not RvP's agent.
Unless Darren's a friend or RvP will financially gain somehow from this.

As Quartz and I mentioned there's the support of Wenger, which suits David Dein.

[QuartzGooner]

Hill-Wood Russian allegations are on this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34544

Darren Dein is not Van Persie's agent. He is his commercial representative.

Van Persie's agent is Kees Vos.

[Block_5_Gooner]

Hill-Wood Russian allegations are on this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34544

Darren Dein is not Van Persie's agent. He is his commercial representative.

Van Persie's agent is Kees Vos.

Ha! beat you this time!

Commercial representative? So looks after things like the management of his website for example?

[northbank123]

I found the bit about Gazidis' pathetic attempts to improve our frankly pitiful commercial income interesting, might dispel the myth slightly that he is at least a fantastic businessman.

As Quartz and others predicted, RvP's statement signalled an opportunity for Usmanov and Red & White which they have looked to take. I'm not too sure how much I like them but they sure as fuck seem like a preferable alternative to me. Usmanov has doggedly remained interested despite constantly being given the cold shoulder by the board but has actually been very dignified without feeling the need to hit out at them constantly (which let's be honest he could have done). I'd like to think this shows that he values the stability and interests of the club above his personal interests.

Makes no difference though. Kroenke doesn't give a fuck about popularity, he'll continue to shy away from any responsibility and sending his monkey Gazidis out to give elusive answers to tamely pre-prepared and vetted questions from AST and the like.

[QuartzGooner]

Hill-Wood Russian allegations are on this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34544

Darren Dein is not Van Persie's agent. He is his commercial representative.

Van Persie's agent is Kees Vos.

Ha! beat you this time!

Commercial representative? So looks after things like the management of his website for example?

Be fascinating to know just how much they all discuss together, or keep shtum about.

As I just posted on the RvP thread, I reckon RvP wants to win trophies and thinks it unlikely the way the club is run.
Money is not irrelevant, but is secondary consideration.

Just like he said in his letter!

[Block_5_Gooner]

Kees Vos manage Sports Entertainment Group, who manage robinvanpersie.com. Bollox!

[OneBardGooner]

If we were to look into the dealings of every/any large scale investor or shareholder in any of the top four clubs there would be quite a few skeletons etc, so when people start bringing up Usmanov's (alledged) dodgy business dealings, they really are missing the point, the 'point' that is important and relevant to Arsenal as a club and to the fans is that the financial project of Arsenal to be self-sustaining financially whilst still being one of the top clubs in the Prem has Failed.

Had the global financial crunch and subsequent recession not hit just after we moved to the new ground - things might have been different, but it did, and not only has it changed the lives of 99.9% of the human race worldwide, but it has also meant that everyone and every business has to adjust their plans and their strategies. The Board of Arsenal (Arsene is also included in this) have tried to 'ride out the storm' of the recession, but they have failed, and so they need to adopt another approach - ie: they need to (perhaps unfortunately) go down the same road as the rest of the financial global community, and seek investment where they can get it.

Usmanov is a chance/opportunity begging to be taken up - IF The Board are serious about their claims to remain a Top Prem Club.

The board have been proven to be economical with the truth - either that or Wenger has really been working miracles - they have continually said there is money available - but Wenger hasn't spent it - he then says the money isn't available - which one is telling porkies!?

I have No Faith in the manager, or the board.


The problem now is that whether Wenger walks soon or when his contract is up - A whole new re-building process (within all levels of the club) - It's financial model, the way transfers are done, AND the style of Football we play AND the playing squad - There will be those who won't want to play under another manager - and there will be those players recognised as simply not being good enough, then of course there is the ijnternal wage structure - this could get very, very messy. In the meantime WE have to put up with our club being mis-managed, and run by fools.

[gunner_ace]

If we were to look into the dealings of every/any large scale investor or shareholder in any of the top four clubs there would be quite a few skeletons etc, so when people start bringing up Usmanov's (alledged) dodgy business dealings, they really are missing the point, the 'point' that is important and relevant to Arsenal as a club and to the fans is that the financial project of Arsenal to be self-sustaining financially whilst still being one of the top clubs in the Prem has Failed.

Had the global financial crunch and subsequent recession not hit just after we moved to the new ground - things might have been different, but it did, and not only has it changed the lives of 99.9% of the human race worldwide, but it has also meant that everyone and every business has to adjust their plans and their strategies. The Board of Arsenal (Arsene is also included in this) have tried to 'ride out the storm' of the recession, but they have failed, and so they need to adopt another approach - ie: they need to (perhaps unfortunately) go down the same road as the rest of the financial global community, and seek investment where they can get it.

Usmanov is a chance/opportunity begging to be taken up - IF The Board are serious about their claims to remain a Top Prem Club.

The board have been proven to be economical with the truth - either that or Wenger has really been working miracles - they have continually said there is money available - but Wenger hasn't spent it - he then says the money isn't available - which one is telling porkies!?

I have No Faith in the manager, or the board.


The problem now is that whether Wenger walks soon or when his contract is up - A whole new re-building process (within all levels of the club) - It's financial model, the way transfers are done, AND the style of Football we play AND the playing squad - There will be those who won't want to play under another manager - and there will be those players recognised as simply not being good enough, then of course there is the ijnternal wage structure - this could get very, very messy. In the meantime WE have to put up with our club being mis-managed, and run by fools.

THIS X 10000000000

[Block_5_Gooner]

If we were to look into the dealings of every/any large scale investor or shareholder in any of the top four clubs there would be quite a few skeletons etc, so when people start bringing up Usmanov's (alledged) dodgy business dealings, they really are missing the point, the 'point' that is important and relevant to Arsenal as a club and to the fans is that the financial project of Arsenal to be self-sustaining financially whilst still being one of the top clubs in the Prem has Failed.

Had the global financial crunch and subsequent recession not hit just after we moved to the new ground - things might have been different, but it did, and not only has it changed the lives of 99.9% of the human race worldwide, but it has also meant that everyone and every business has to adjust their plans and their strategies. The Board of Arsenal (Arsene is also included in this) have tried to 'ride out the storm' of the recession, but they have failed, and so they need to adopt another approach - ie: they need to (perhaps unfortunately) go down the same road as the rest of the financial global community, and seek investment where they can get it.

Usmanov is a chance/opportunity begging to be taken up - IF The Board are serious about their claims to remain a Top Prem Club.

The board have been proven to be economical with the truth - either that or Wenger has really been working miracles - they have continually said there is money available - but Wenger hasn't spent it - he then says the money isn't available - which one is telling porkies!?

I have No Faith in the manager, or the board.


The problem now is that whether Wenger walks soon or when his contract is up - A whole new re-building process (within all levels of the club) - It's financial model, the way transfers are done, AND the style of Football we play AND the playing squad - There will be those who won't want to play under another manager - and there will be those players recognised as simply not being good enough, then of course there is the ijnternal wage structure - this could get very, very messy. In the meantime WE have to put up with our club being mis-managed, and run by fools.

I agree that the club has been mismanaged but disagree that the model has failed.

The truth is the model hasn't really kicked in. £20m+ P/s can be earned when Nike's contract expires (2014). That solves the need to sell and make a profit each year.
Then soon after that Emirates shirt sponsor will be up (2016?). Say another £20m+ P/s

Then there's the debt which, long term I know, will be fully paid off and make us debt free in about 10 years. So all the holding and back-up money will be released.

There is the matter of the 'project'. That has failed!
Far to many players bought (or developed) to only be sold on. It's like Wenger was playing real life Football manager. (rape the small clubs for decent players)
Too many on high wages, most of which are poor players and would struggle in most PL teams. Get rid of them and compete with top quality players that we DO need.

[Deise Gooner]

If we were to look into the dealings of every/any large scale investor or shareholder in any of the top four clubs there would be quite a few skeletons etc, so when people start bringing up Usmanov's (alledged) dodgy business dealings, they really are missing the point, the 'point' that is important and relevant to Arsenal as a club and to the fans is that the financial project of Arsenal to be self-sustaining financially whilst still being one of the top clubs in the Prem has Failed.

Had the global financial crunch and subsequent recession not hit just after we moved to the new ground - things might have been different, but it did, and not only has it changed the lives of 99.9% of the human race worldwide, but it has also meant that everyone and every business has to adjust their plans and their strategies. The Board of Arsenal (Arsene is also included in this) have tried to 'ride out the storm' of the recession, but they have failed, and so they need to adopt another approach - ie: they need to (perhaps unfortunately) go down the same road as the rest of the financial global community, and seek investment where they can get it.

Usmanov is a chance/opportunity begging to be taken up - IF The Board are serious about their claims to remain a Top Prem Club.

The board have been proven to be economical with the truth - either that or Wenger has really been working miracles - they have continually said there is money available - but Wenger hasn't spent it - he then says the money isn't available - which one is telling porkies!?

I have No Faith in the manager, or the board.


The problem now is that whether Wenger walks soon or when his contract is up - A whole new re-building process (within all levels of the club) - It's financial model, the way transfers are done, AND the style of Football we play AND the playing squad - There will be those who won't want to play under another manager - and there will be those players recognised as simply not being good enough, then of course there is the ijnternal wage structure - this could get very, very messy. In the meantime WE have to put up with our club being mis-managed, and run by fools.

I agree that the club has been mismanaged but disagree that the model has failed.

The truth is the model hasn't really kicked in. £20m+ P/s can be earned when Nike's contract expires (2014). That solves the need to sell and make a profit each year.
Then soon after that Emirates shirt sponsor will be up (2016?). Say another £20m+ P/s

Then there's the debt which, long term I know, will be fully paid off and make us debt free in about 10 years. So all the holding and back-up money will be released.

There is the matter of the 'project'. That has failed!
Far to many players bought (or developed) to only be sold on. It's like Wenger was playing real life Football manager. (rape the small clubs for decent players)
Too many on high wages, most of which are poor players and would struggle in most PL teams. Get rid of them and compete with top quality players that we DO need.

The problem is we risk being left behind in the short term to achieve a better position in the long term and there is no guarantee that we are going to get better deals than the Nike and Emirates ones if we arent performing on the pitch. Usmanov highlights this in his letter that better on field performances will lead to better a commercial standing. Its a very blinkered approach by the board.

[richpye]

If we were to look into the dealings of every/any large scale investor or shareholder in any of the top four clubs there would be quite a few skeletons etc, so when people start bringing up Usmanov's (alledged) dodgy business dealings, they really are missing the point, the 'point' that is important and relevant to Arsenal as a club and to the fans is that the financial project of Arsenal to be self-sustaining financially whilst still being one of the top clubs in the Prem has Failed.

Had the global financial crunch and subsequent recession not hit just after we moved to the new ground - things might have been different, but it did, and not only has it changed the lives of 99.9% of the human race worldwide, but it has also meant that everyone and every business has to adjust their plans and their strategies. The Board of Arsenal (Arsene is also included in this) have tried to 'ride out the storm' of the recession, but they have failed, and so they need to adopt another approach - ie: they need to (perhaps unfortunately) go down the same road as the rest of the financial global community, and seek investment where they can get it.

Usmanov is a chance/opportunity begging to be taken up - IF The Board are serious about their claims to remain a Top Prem Club.

The board have been proven to be economical with the truth - either that or Wenger has really been working miracles - they have continually said there is money available - but Wenger hasn't spent it - he then says the money isn't available - which one is telling porkies!?

I have No Faith in the manager, or the board.


The problem now is that whether Wenger walks soon or when his contract is up - A whole new re-building process (within all levels of the club) - It's financial model, the way transfers are done, AND the style of Football we play AND the playing squad - There will be those who won't want to play under another manager - and there will be those players recognised as simply not being good enough, then of course there is the ijnternal wage structure - this could get very, very messy. In the meantime WE have to put up with our club being mis-managed, and run by fools.

I agree that the club has been mismanaged but disagree that the model has failed.

The truth is the model hasn't really kicked in. £20m+ P/s can be earned when Nike's contract expires (2014). That solves the need to sell and make a profit each year.
Then soon after that Emirates shirt sponsor will be up (2016?). Say another £20m+ P/s

Then there's the debt which, long term I know, will be fully paid off and make us debt free in about 10 years. So all the holding and back-up money will be released.

There is the matter of the 'project'. That has failed!
Far to many players bought (or developed) to only be sold on. It's like Wenger was playing real life Football manager. (rape the small clubs for decent players)
Too many on high wages, most of which are poor players and would struggle in most PL teams. Get rid of them and compete with top quality players that we DO need.

The problem is we risk being left behind in the short term to achieve a better position in the long term and there is no guarantee that we are going to get better deals than the Nike and Emirates ones if we arent performing on the pitch. Usmanov highlights this in his letter that better on field performances will lead to better a commercial standing. Its a very blinkered approach by the board.

Spurs didn't seem to struggle with their shirt sponsorship deal though?

[Block_5_Gooner]

Spurs didn't seem to struggle with their shirt sponsorship deal though?

Liverpool appear to be leaders in that game and yet far from successful on the pitch.

By 2014 we won't need to sell £20m+ worth of players each year.

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

How come Pool get 20m a year when chelski only get like 13m a year for shirt sponsors? Anyway we're presuming we will get 20m a year for renegotiation.