THE WENGER THREAD

[highburyJD]

AFCasap are you suggesting we should spend less than that?
weird post

This is a typical AKB remark... WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO SPEND MADLY

this is a typical gooneronline WOB remark - why respond to peoples actual arguments? Just make up a statement they've never made and attack it. Pure strawman BS.

My question is very simple - does AFCasap want us to spend more or less?
sounded to me from his first post here that he thought our spending was reckless

where on earth did you get me levelling any 'spend madly' accusations?
I said nothing that could even vaguely be interpreted as that...

Wenger's spending is obviously sustainable not reckless - in fact everyone here wants him to spend more

You posted the above, but you cleverly edited out this in your quote... typical, you do that all the time, edit quotes and leave out what you don't want to debate... I think you'd make a great MP

oh busted
there's that quote where I say spend madly...
oh no
I dont say that
or anything even vaguely like that...

sorry that 'everyone here' phrase is an exaggeration,
who the fek knows this week what redmember will think or piresistable will cut and paste,
but I stand by my claim that the consensus view here is more money should be spent

and I never even hinted at any madspend accusations

[highburyJD]

I think you'd make a great MP

I'd be a great dictator
but a shite MP

[augie]

I think you'd make a great MP

I'd be a great dictator
but a shite MP

I always wanted to be a dictator.......I would be fcuking good at it too

For what it is worth I want more money spent......not a chav or citeeh type spending spree but more than the c**ts at our club want to spend I ain't sure what difference my viewpoint will make to your mini debate with frank but thought that I would throw it in there anyway

[DB10GOONER]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

[OneBardGooner]

^^^This^^^

We need quality not quantity...we've got enough shyte players on ridiculous wages and contracts to sink the bismark... (again).

[highburyJD]

what's your point caller?
do you want us to spend less or more?

running your own show on here now i see...very active...JD the DJ....anyway, spend more? spend less? no i just want wenger out....he's a has been, new manager..new ideas....not the same old arrogance and excuses evey year...he's the top earner 7.5 M but regards "4th" place as job done, that doesn't balance....do you understand this post

the manager should be the most important person at a club,
I think it makes sense for the manager to be top earner
Wenger has allowed the club to build a new stadium without the reduced capital investment in readymade players knocking us out of the CL - he deserves it
doesn't mean we shouldn't want more as fans
but from the boards POV the numbers add up fine

and no I don't really understand the post - you don't care whether we spend more or less?
then you don't have an actual point of view.

I dont like the Cameron/Osborn old Etonian axis
and I don't think our current Govt's austerity measures will work
but if
a) we embark on a capital investment programme that creates growth and the economy takes off
or
b) I'm wrong, austerity suddenly creates a scenario of foriegn investment that massively boosts our national finances
then I'll be happy with how the economy is
maybe I won't like the individuals (just as you dislike Arsenal's greatest ever manager)
but I won't be able to claim we're all skint

there's a consistent claim from posters on here that even if we started winning things
they would want Wenger out
to me there are 2 interpretations of that
a) its BS - typical fickle football fans who change their minds with results
b) they hate the manager more than they love the club, a sad state of affairs

[highburyJD]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

[OneBardGooner]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

Which makes total sense, BUT Wenger has been paying ridiculous wages to the likes of denilson, bendtner, vela, squillaci, et al BEFORE they have proved themselves, on (high) wages that other clubs are (rightly) not willing to pay them - and so we get stuck with them, preventing us from investing those monies in players who are either already with us and wanting more to stay or for the purchase of new players who are worth it. Wenger has got it wrong and needs to change his way of doing things in that particular department.

[augie]

HighburyJd, is it not also fair to say that there are many fans out there that love wenger as much or more than they love the club ? I would suggest that, that too is a sad state of affairs

[mcdowell42]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

Which makes total sense, BUT Wenger has been paying ridiculous wages to the likes of denilson, bendtner, vela, squillaci, et al BEFORE they have proved themselves, on (high) wages that other clubs are (rightly) not willing to pay them - and so we get stuck with them, preventing us from investing those monies in players who are either already with us and wanting more to stay or for the purchase of new players who are worth it. Wenger has got it wrong and needs to change his way of doing things in that particular department.

But sure hes the messiah he cant be wrong

[highburyJD]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

Which makes total sense, BUT Wenger has been paying ridiculous wages to the likes of denilson, bendtner, vela, squillaci, et al BEFORE they have proved themselves, on (high) wages that other clubs are (rightly) not willing to pay them - and so we get stuck with them, preventing us from investing those monies in players who are either already with us and wanting more to stay or for the purchase of new players who are worth it. Wenger has got it wrong and needs to change his way of doing things in that particular department.

agreed, that was his mistake
but its a tightrope gamble - I think he was influenced by his failure to lock-in Hleb and Flamini
and went too far the other way

[AFCasap]

stewart robson telling it like it is on talksport "wenger is the problem at AFC".....keep it up robbo

[highburyJD]

quelle surprise, heard he'd been binned by ArsenalTV, was always gonna lash out after
his Arse v Shitty friendly commentary for ESPN was shockingly anti us

[DB10GOONER]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

That's the 2 absolute vital points summed up right there for me.

1. Wenger has got it wrong in this regard far more than any manager in the PL. Shite like Almunia, Denilson, Eboue, Vela, Bendtner etc etc etc would NOT have been rewarded for underperforming with huge pay rises and contract extensions by any other PL manager.

2. I have no problem with paying more to keep them AFTER they have justified it by the quality of their performances. Wenger has rewarded them for repeated failure to perform. I say it should be horse before cart every time.

[arseofacrow]

Technically, I want less spent - by getting rid of overpaid underperforming rubbish players and using the money saved to buy in better quality players. It's not about how much we spend, but how we spend it.

isn't that just the eternal balance of every football manager?
and if those cheaper players started looking like they might be successful - we would have to pay them more to keep them

That's the 2 absolute vital points summed up right there for me.

1. Wenger has got it wrong in this regard far more than any manager in the PL. Shite like Almunia, Denilson, Eboue, Vela, Bendtner etc etc etc would NOT have been rewarded for underperforming with huge pay rises and contract extensions by any other PL manager.

2. I have no problem with paying more to keep them AFTER they have justified it by the quality of their performances. Wenger has rewarded them for repeated failure to perform. I say it should be horse before cart every time.

Wenger admittance of failure now is welcome but unfortunately a little late in terms of shifting the pile of deadwood at the club. Needs a new broom.

Or a new manager