As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I Hate Hleb wrote:If it was just about the money then he would go to Man City, PSG or one of the Russian clubs with plenty of dough!! Yes, he'll be well paid if he goes to United but the one thing you can't escape is the fact that he'd also most probably be in a better position to win trophies there as well. Therefore on that basis the accusation that it's 'just for the money' doesn't stand up for me.
The reality is if he goes to United he will probably be on £180-200k/w (bearing in mind Rooney gets paid over £200k/w), that MAY have been a tiny bit more at City. City are probably a better team now, if they take the experience they gained last year and apply it they will be a huge threat in CL and should put distance between themselves and United, who haven't strengthened really. THEREFORE, I don't see how going to United as opposed to City proves anything.
swimmer1 wrote:The fucker is greedy look he says we lack ambition so we buy 3 world class players he now looks like he is fucking off to man u .
To me now we have a better squad than man u brought better players so he only reason to go to the northern scum is for the ££££££££
because its too little to late, we only managed to meet his same ambition when he said he wanted to leave, in the same way my insurance company who are more expensive than a rival would only match a rival once id got a better quote, its to late by then!
It was always the intention for RVP to be sold, even with the new additions. Despite what people may think of his tactics, Wenger isn't an idiot - he wouldn't let him go for free, nor will he with Walcott either. Both will be sold and we will probably buy two more players.
Around an hour ago, several Twitter stories sprung up regarding the potential transfer of one Robin van Persie to Manchester United. These reports were seemingly based on some guy from the Huffington Post UK, which is probably as rubbish as the American version. They were also based on a story from the Manchester Evening News which reported that van Persie could fly in to Manchester as early as tonight to seal the transfer. The ITK-Tabloid Information Session was completed when the Daily Mirror's John Cross reported that van Persie was still at Arsenal's Germany training camp and had not left, but, that Manchester United were going to bid again.
Who's right? It's a tough one to call; all of the above media sources have a good history of reporting wildly inaccurate stories, while people who are good Arsenal sources say van Persie's still there, and is expected to take part in Sunday's game against Colonge. I think it's probably fair to say that all of the media sources are probably somewhat untrustworthy here; van Persie's probably not left the training camp, which, for our purposes, is all that matters. Cross' version of events sounds more plausible, but it doesn't mean that he's right; yet, the Manchester Evening News story and the Twitter report from the Huffington Post doesn't sound plausible at all.
They don't sound plausible because I find it hard to believe that Arsene Wenger would condone selling one of the best players in the league to a very team that is very much part of a long and bitter rivalry, no matter the apparent cordial relations between Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson. Manchester United did finish 19 points ahead of Arsenal last year, but, having bought Santi Cazorla, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud, there's a feeling Arsenal could catch up with United, especially with a better start. Selling van Persie to United, and thus improving them, would hurt Arsenal, whereas selling van Persie to City, where he might not start every game and doesn't vastly improve them, or Juventus, in a foreign league, doesn't hurt Arsenal in the way that selling him to Manchester United would. Again, this isn't to say that the Daily Mirror are right; I suspect that the real truth is somewhere in the middle, and that none of these tabloids have the full story, or even half the story.
There's also the legitimate question of whether Manchester United are deliberately leaking information in order to promote interest in the club, especially with an IPO that's due to float on the New York Stock Exchange on Friday morning. Given that United have been linked with a number of players since the IPO release was confirmed, and have bought none of them (see Lucas Moura), this wouldn't surprise me. Quite frankly, I cannot see Arsene Wenger selling Robin van Persie to Manchester United, if Wenger has the final say.
That, though, may be the reason van Persie does get sold to United. Arsenal have spent around £36m this summer and have gotten very little back in an area where they usually need to come close to breaking even. Wenger could be overruled about selling van Persie by the board, and, in particular, by Stan Kroenke. If that is the case, Arsenal will have a lot more to worry about than just the loss of their best player to a Premier League rival, because it will mean that the power and influence of the most important man at the club is declining. That would be entirely more worrisome than losing van Persie.
swimmer1 wrote:The fucker is greedy look he says we lack ambition so we buy 3 world class players he now looks like he is fucking off to man u .
To me now we have a better squad than man u brought better players so he only reason to go to the northern scum is for the ££££££££
We bought these world class players to replace rvp not play alongside him and that was more or less what scout grimandi stated when we bought Giroud FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
I defended rvp when he made the statement cos I agreed with every word of it and I want people to be honest rather than come out with the same old pr bullshit every year proclaiming how we will challenge for all the big trophies again If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that
I just wish he'd piss off and take anybody else who doesn't want to be at the club.
89 bloody pages discussing a man who everybody knows has had one stonking season and been nursed through most of the others. Yes, of course the club and Wenger have made numerous mistakes over the last 7/8 years but if van Persie had carried the team like say Cesc did during a lot of his time here then maybe I'd have a bit more understanding. Yes I do believe he owes us and yes I do believe he should repay the faith we showed in him but he just wants to feather his own nest so fook him, get rid of him, don't want him at the club anymore.
I want to say the old line about only wanting players who understand what it means to where the red shirt but then that's probably never gonna happen these days either
swimmer1 wrote:The fucker is greedy look he says we lack ambition so we buy 3 world class players he now looks like he is fucking off to man u .
To me now we have a better squad than man u brought better players so he only reason to go to the northern scum is for the ££££££££
We bought these world class players to replace rvp not play alongside him and that was more or less what scout grimandi stated when we bought Giroud FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
I defended rvp when he made the statement cos I agreed with every word of it and I want people to be honest rather than come out with the same old pr bullshit every year proclaiming how we will challenge for all the big trophies again If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that
Why would arsenal be greedy they got every right to squeeze as much money they can get.
Rvp is just another player to blame there present club to help himself with his statement the greedy fcuk thinks he is bigger than the club wish he look at bergkamp and be ashamed of himself
We bought these world class players to replace rvp not play alongside him and that was more or less what scout grimandi stated when we bought Giroud FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
I defended rvp when he made the statement cos I agreed with every word of it and I want people to be honest rather than come out with the same old pr bullshit every year proclaiming how we will challenge for all the big trophies again If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that
On the first bit in Bold just because you agreed with it does not mean he was right to do so.
No Manager would put up with a player making statements like that. Fergie certainly would not and has shown so in the past. I think people need to remember that this is a business and transparency is not in the best interest of Arsenal FC when it comes to transfer dealings. I also think it showed a distinct lack of class on RVP's part. He is the Captain of Arsenal and to me he has done them a disservice. He could have told the club as they were the only party that should have been told imo and let them deal with it. If he wanted a transfer he should have asked for one, but then he would lose his bonus.
As regards selling him to a domestic rival I completely agree with you. Arsenal would only do so for financial reasons. It is time Arsenal took a stand and said enough is enough and if he doesn't want to play for Arsenal take the hit and it would be a great message to sent to other players and the clubs supporters.
augie wrote:the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp
I am not sad to see RvP leave, i've been resigned to it for a good 6 months now. Sure, I would prefer him to stay because I don't see any sense in selling our best players but what does make me sad is the apparent ease with which our club can sell him to one of our biggest rivals, a team we should be looking to compete with & overhaul. They have the money & reputation to strengthen their squad on their own & it fucking sickens me to see us give those *word censored* a helping hand.
But this is modern Arsenal, it's all about the money in the bank.
FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that 
