As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Eboue-Why? wrote:I just wish he'd piss off and take anybody else who doesn't want to be at the club.
89 bloody pages discussing a man who everybody knows has had one stonking season and been nursed through most of the others. Yes, of course the club and Wenger have made numerous mistakes over the last 7/8 years but if van Persie had carried the team like say Cesc did during a lot of his time here then maybe I'd have a bit more understanding. Yes I do believe he owes us and yes I do believe he should repay the faith we showed in him but he just wants to feather his own nest so fook him, get rid of him, don't want him at the club anymore.
I want to say the old line about only wanting players who understand what it means to where the red shirt but then that's probably never gonna happen these days either
Agree. People will say you can't blame him for his injuries, but that's like saying you can't blame the club for the fact that Chelsea and City have stopped us winning several trophies on the basis of wealthy individuals. Fact is, as much as we've had a poor strategy in the face of new competition, he has also been well below par for the vast majority of his career. I believe that if he'd stayed fit in 07/08 we would have been champions, we ran out of steam up top because Adebayor had to carry the workload on his own in the second half of the season.
He does owe us. He's taken far more money out of the club than he deserves to have over his stay, and we have shown unwavering faith in him when clubs like United would have flogged him at 26 before he had this reputation as a top striker (not to mention the fact that we took a huge punt on him as an unproven arrogant youngster).
He appears to be going to United because they're the only ones who have offered a decent amount. If it were City/Juve he would have gone there. The fact he appeared to be willing to go to Serie A, a league that appears to be ever-declining, and to a club that has about as much chance of CL success as we do says it all about 'ambition' being his burning desire. If he actually cared for the club as much as he made out in his statement the prick wouldn't consider going to United.
With Manchester City appearing to accept defeat in the race for the Arsenal striker, and Juventus baulking at the player’s wage demands, United are moving quickly to conclude a deal.
Their willingness to match the £220,000 a week wages earned by Rooney has tipped the balance in their favour. The financial rewards will be staggering for the 29-year-old Dutchman at Old Trafford, and somewhat unprecedented given the stage of Van Persie’s career.
augie wrote:the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp
I am not sad to see RvP leave, i've been resigned to it for a good 6 months now. Sure, I would prefer him to stay because I don't see any sense in selling our best players but what does make me sad is the apparent ease with which our club can sell him to one of our biggest rivals, a team we should be looking to compete with & overhaul. They have the money & reputation to strengthen their squad on their own & it fucking sickens me to see us give those *word censored* a helping hand.
But this is modern Arsenal, it's all about the money in the bank.
We bought these world class players to replace rvp not play alongside him and that was more or less what scout grimandi stated when we bought Giroud FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
I defended rvp when he made the statement cos I agreed with every word of it and I want people to be honest rather than come out with the same old pr bullshit every year proclaiming how we will challenge for all the big trophies again If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that
On the first bit in Bold just because you agreed with it does not mean he was right to do so. No Manager would put up with a player making statements like that. Fergie certainly would not and has shown so in the past.....
Err.... don't you remember a certain Wayne Rooney making a similar, if not more strongly critical statement about Man Utd? And how did Fergie react? Not the way you claim above, as evidenced by Rooney's new and improved contract!!
northbank123 wrote:Agree. People will say you can't blame him for his injuries, but that's like saying you can't blame the club for the fact that Chelsea and City have stopped us winning several trophies on the basis of wealthy individuals. Fact is, as much as we've had a poor strategy in the face of new competition, he has also been well below par for the vast majority of his career. I believe that if he'd stayed fit in 07/08 we would have been champions, we ran out of steam up top because Adebayor had to carry the workload on his own in the second half of the season.
He does owe us. He's taken far more money out of the club than he deserves to have over his stay, and we have shown unwavering faith in him when clubs like United would have flogged him at 26 before he had this reputation as a top striker (not to mention the fact that we took a huge punt on him as an unproven arrogant youngster).
He appears to be going to United because they're the only ones who have offered a decent amount. If it were City/Juve he would have gone there. The fact he appeared to be willing to go to Serie A, a league that appears to be ever-declining, and to a club that has about as much chance of CL success as we do says it all about 'ambition' being his burning desire. If he actually cared for the club as much as he made out in his statement the prick wouldn't consider going to United.
This right here!
I could understand him going to Madrid or Barca, but fucking Juve? A league dogged by match-fixing scandals, with the manager facing a lengthy ban for involvement in said scandals and a club that isn't too dissimilar in stature to Arsenal? That shows that his 'desire to win trophies' is a load of bollocks. Funny how Rooney who also said the same thing about 'ambition' was all of a sudden persuaded when his paycheque was upped to 200k a week
I have no issues with RVP leaving, but don't bullshit the fans by saying it's about ambition when it fucking clearly ain't.
We bought these world class players to replace rvp not play alongside him and that was more or less what scout grimandi stated when we bought Giroud FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
I defended rvp when he made the statement cos I agreed with every word of it and I want people to be honest rather than come out with the same old pr bullshit every year proclaiming how we will challenge for all the big trophies again If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that
On the first bit in Bold just because you agreed with it does not mean he was right to do so. No Manager would put up with a player making statements like that. Fergie certainly would not and has shown so in the past.....
Err.... don't you remember a certain Wayne Rooney making a similar, if not more strongly critical statement about Man Utd? And how did Fergie react? Not the way you claim above, as evidenced by Rooney's new and improved contract!!
I do and it was a similar statement. And he subsequently apologised.
Sir Alex Ferguson says Manchester United's attempts to sign Robin van Persie from Arsenal have stalled.
The Netherlands striker, 29, has 11 months left on his Arsenal contract and has declined an offer to extend his deal at Emirates Stadium.
"We've made a bid, they [Arsenal] have been trying to negotiate with other clubs," said United manager Ferguson.
"I don't have a gut feeling about it. We can't get a breakthrough with Arsenal."
It is not known whether they have improved their original offer, but Ferguson said he did not know whether United's pursuit of Van Persie would be successful.
It is understood Arsenal are reluctant to enter formal negotiations until a bid exceeds £20m.
"I don't know what Arsenal's thoughts are because they're not giving anything away," he told reporters after United's friendly against Barcelona in Gothenburg on Wednesday, which finished in a 0-0 draw before Barca won 2-0 on penalties.
"It's difficult to say why they're operating this way. I can't give you any more information. We just have to persevere.
"We are trying our best and hopefully it will come our way but there's no progress at this moment in time."
If he had any true respect for us he'd leave england. if he stays he's just another one of the modern wenger generation who had the potential to become a lengend and couldn't be bothered so took the easy way out. If I haven't given much credit to the pricks that run the club I'll give them credit if they hold out for more than 20m and he stays. Lets have him on the bench all season as Giroud and Podolski rip up the league.
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:If he had any true respect for us he'd leave england. if he stays he's just another one of the modern wenger generation who had the potential to become a lengend and couldn't be bothered so took the easy way out. If I haven't given much credit to the pricks that run the club I'll give them credit if they hold out for more than 20m and he stays. Lets have him on the bench all season as Giroud and Podolski rip up the league.
Do you think players are more bothered about being a legend or winning trophies????
Would you rather be a legend at Middlesbrough or have Darren Fletcher status at Man Utd (complete with his trophy/medals)???
anyone would want to take on the top scorer , but Fergie is under pressure as i can't see them topping citeh and Fergies reputation would be somewhat tainted if in his last few years they were beaten by citeh.
RVP is a greedy bastard and i would laugh if he goes thereand wins fuck all , for trophies i would go for citeh but then again i believe it really is now about the £'s , selling to manure , our captain would be bloody horrendous.
the thing is it is easy to have a go at RVP but most players these days are like him.
what I am annoyed about is the continuing lack of ambition shown by Arsenal. If RVP wanted £200,000+ per week then give it to him and make savings elsewhere.It is impossible to win trophies unless you have a few of the very best players in your team.
if RVP is sold to Man United then Arsenal FC have sunk to a new low. Supporters will then be right to ask why was Highbury demolished. Did anyone really think back in 2006 that 6 years on and the club would be selling its best players to our closest rivals so it could balance the books and target a top 4 finish?
FFS if we were buying world class players to play alongside our skipper in a bid to convince him to stay then don't you think that the DM and left full positions would be the top targets on the shopping list ?
If citeeh and manure both offered an amount that was deemed acceptable by the club but he picked one of them over the other on the basis of 20k per week more in wages then I think that it would be fair to brand him as greedy but these are the top 2 clubs in England at the mo and will challenge for every trophy this season so it would make sense for him to go to either if he wants to win medals. The thing is though that the club are not helpless bystanders in this saga and they should start behaving accordingly IMO - for me they go to juyve and offer rvp to them for a few million less than what the mancs are willing to pay cos taking the financial hit there makes more sense than strengthening a domestic opponent. If we sell to either manc club then it is AFC who are being greedy not rvp because we shouldn't sell him to either IMO and I would let him walk for nothing next summer rather than sell him domestically but the modern day AFC don't think like that 
