THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[augie]

Lads, firstly - let's drop the name calling and personal abuse here. There are rules.

Secondly - whatever any of us may think about any Board member present or past, we HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of anything they may or may not have done. So please, no more unproven allegations, particularly about their financial dealings and or alleged skullduggery. A good qualifier here is don't write anything you couldn't or wouldn't feel comfortable defending in court.

Did he sack DD ? Yes he fcuking well did ?

Did he make public comments about keeping the club owned by more than one person ? Yes he did

Did he make pledges about the boards future commitment to the club/club custodians etc ? Yes he did

Did his share value rocket due to cost cutting measures that in turn increased profits ? Did he then sell those very shares for a massive fee ? Yes on both counts

Seems that slating phw is acceptable but slating a dead individual is frowned upon and I have never been one for political correctness

[mcdowell42]

Careful now ,down with sort of thing

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

In response to the title:

THEY CAN GO F**K THEMSELVES!

[Herd]

Rest easy ,Il not be ranting about crooked deals again DB ,I'm not even sad about this weeks twist in the tail .

We all Knew that Giroud was a replacement for the impending departure of RVP what we didn't realise was that a deal for Song to Barca was the reason we bought Carzola !

The Duplicity of Wenger in all this is quite appalling ,I used to think that he fought the board for each player and transfer but it s clear he is fully embedded with Silent Stan and Gazidis !

[highburyJD]

Business is a dirty world. As OneBardGooner said, a lot of high powered people have things they want to be kept hidden but that doesn't stop them from running a highly successful business.

heard this many times, think its overplayed, I know plenty of honest extremely successful people

Course YOU do - Gosh what were we thinking -!!! You are so special forgot about you knowing everything - and all that stuff that no one else could possibly know or imagine, or even conceive of in their wildest dreams..

strange response
I dont remember anyone but Jose saying they're special,
any and everyone who lives in Islington will know plenty of rich highflying people

my opinion is the 'all successful people are crooks and liars' trope is just the self-justificatory whining of losers

[stg]

When DD went behind the boards back to try and bring in SK what do you think DD wanted him to do?

Looking at how SK runs his sports businesses in the U.S I can not see how it would of been much different apart from strengthening DD position at the club.

[SantaPoldi]

Wenger runs the Club not Kroenke and Gazidis. Let's just get this point understood. Wenger runs the team. Players want to leave because we are unsuccessful. When Wenger says a player can go, they leave. When Wenger wants a player, Gazidis does the deal. Wenger might as well own Arsenal. He is the highest earner in the entire Club. That includes SK, who doesn't even take a dividend. Wenger earns that money because he calls all the shots. He lives and dies by the sword.

[highburyJD]

Wenger runs the Club not Kroenke and Gazidis. Let's just get this point understood. Wenger runs the team. Players want to leave because we are unsuccessful. When Wenger says a player can go, they leave. When Wenger wants a player, Gazidis does the deal. Wenger might as well own Arsenal. He is the highest earner in the entire Club. That includes SK, who doesn't even take a dividend. Wenger earns that money because he calls all the shots. He lives and dies by the sword.

what's your point caller?
he should have kept wantaway RVP for 1 more year and given up £24M?
he should have given RVP a £45M 4 year deal to stay?
Yes managers take decisions - no they can't force players to sign contracts

I'm gutted RVP (and to a lesser extent Song) want to go
it doesn't mean I would run down their contract, keep uncommitted players at the club then lose out on their transfer fees

BTW shareholders are not employees. Silent Stan is not 'at the club'.

[SantaPoldi]

Wenger runs the Club not Kroenke and Gazidis. Let's just get this point understood. Wenger runs the team. Players want to leave because we are unsuccessful. When Wenger says a player can go, they leave. When Wenger wants a player, Gazidis does the deal. Wenger might as well own Arsenal. He is the highest earner in the entire Club. That includes SK, who doesn't even take a dividend. Wenger earns that money because he calls all the shots. He lives and dies by the sword.

what's your point caller?
he should have kept wantaway RVP for 1 more year and given up £24M?
he should have given RVP a £45M 4 year deal to stay?
Yes managers take decisions - no they can't force players to sign contracts

I'm gutted RVP (and to a lesser extent Song) want to go
it doesn't mean I would run down their contract, keep uncommitted players at the club then lose out on their transfer fees

BTW shareholders are not employees. Silent Stan is not 'at the club'.

Why don't these players want to sign new contracts? If we were winning titles they'd stay. SIMPLE FACT. Wenger can't build winning teams anymore. Defensively we're a joke. The squad is full of dross on big money. If you're a World class player you look around you and get the hell out of there. The only time you can leave the Club is to let your contract run down and threaten to hit them in the pocket. That's when they shit themselves and do the deal to the highest bidder. BTW - this current issue is never-ending unless you invest properly in the team and win trophies with proper tactics and organisation. Who's next? Vermaelen, Kos, Scez, Wilshere, Cazorla, Podolski, Giroud. We will be left with the dross.

Next caller.....

[Almunia is a clown]

[quote="Herd"

The Duplicity of Wenger in all this is quite appalling ,I used to think that he fought the board for each player and transfer but it s clear he is fully embedded with Silent Stan and Gazidis ![/quote]


Wenger is as greedy as Stan the Syrup, the old "Custodians", & Gazidis, the Economics graduate continues to fill his pockets with filthy lucre like the rest of them, even acting as "Financial Advisor" to the recent Arab financed PSG takeover talks.

A proper Football manager would have demanded the RVP transfer cash be spent on the playing squad to make a serious challenge for major honours, instead Wenger is quids in for another bonus like the rest of them!

Wenger is a greedy lying hypocrite, yet the AKB's will be toasting another fine set of financial results in a couple of months.

[highburyJD]

there's enough thats actually happened without getting upset about imaginary future events
lets see what money we spend...

[QuartzGooner]

As I said on another thread, why would Dein Jr want to mess with the club?
His dad may have fallen out with the board, but the Deins remain personal friends of Wenger.
Plus I hardly think the sales of Adebayor and Clichy (and hopefully Song) will weaken the club.

[Red Member]

our decline is now starting to accelerate.
this happens to all of Kroenke's sports teams once he starts sucking the money out of them.

I think we are in a similar position to the Colorado Avalanche - an ice hockey team in Denver
they won 8 championships between 1996 and 2003 then up popped Kroenke. they haven't won anything since (sounds familiar )
Last season they finished 29th out of 30 teams in the NHL.
Funnily enough you havent got to look far on their fans message boards (similar set up to on here ) to find a post about Stan Kroenke and their team. This is one of their posters and the comments he makes could equally be made about Arsenal.
First up, it fills me with zero confidence. He has basically affirmed he is a basketball guy (the conversation always ended up going back to that). The most worriesome comment for mine, was the wishy-washy commentary around "maybe adding to the team in a year or two".

Like a fair few here, he over rates our prospects coming through. Duchene, O'Reilly and co. are entering their fourth year in the NHL. Does it take 6 years of NHL hockey to realise potential? A lot of players would never get there.

Every other team also has rookies and prospects they get excited about as well.

Also, this young garbage? We have (next years ages):-

Downie (26), Hejduk (37), Jones (28), Kobasew (31), Mcleod (29), Stastny (27), Hejda (35), Hunwick (28), O'Brien (29), O'Byrne (28) & J S Giguere (36).That's 11 out of a 20 man line-up CIRCA 28 odd and over. I don't buy that garbage.

What I see, is that we are going to be continuing to ride the cap floor. Our line-up isn't magnetising to fans and players alike. This is why I have little hope in free agency this year. The Kroenke's are JUST making a profit (some say it's 6 million, some say 2 million) - therefore, one additional player of note, and they are making losses, and The Kroenke family would rather lose fans than money.

[Red Member]

and if that comment didn't hit home then how about this one from another of the Colorado fans.
and they are what Arsenal is on the way to becoming. this Colorado team doesnt even make the play offs anymore (the CL places equivalent)

Kroenke indicated that all NHL teams are a bit wary right now of signing players to huge long-term contracts. How do you know? You said you don't know. I've seen plenty of big contracts.

Again, people are buying into mediocrity. He's a sloppy, non-committed owner. He has no idea about the product. He has no idea about the market. His "plan" has way too many if's, maybe's, try's.

AO3, the good teams that have built around a core have done so with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Fleury & co, or Briere, Giroux, Pronger and co, or Backstrom, Overchkin, Green & co, or Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom and co, Sedin, Sedin, Bieksa & co, or Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and co, or Savard, Chara, Seguin, Krejki, Thomas and co.

Anyways, I think you get my meaning. Our nucleus has a much lower skill and talent base than those teams listed. MUCH lower. Yes, we will have some decent runs. Scrappy teams always do. Look at how The Islanders finished the season as an example.

If/when we finish lower than 20th next year, are we STILL then re-building? Want a tip? Any team that consistently doesn't make it into the play-offs like us is re-building.

[flash gunner]

Here we go the old blame Kroenke for Wengers faults He's only owned the club for a year or so while Wenger has been fucking us up for 6-7 years now. Red Member with his usual blame Kroenke smokescreen