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Curious article on pravda

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... idfielders

Arsène Wenger says the age of the specialist defensive midfielder is over.

The 'Makelele role' - named after the former France international, Claude - has become a staple of tactical talk and describes players who tend to eschew attacking play in favour of protecting their defence.

When Wenger sold Alex Song in the summer he was tipped by some to replace the Cameroon star with a traditional 'holding' player, but instead Mikel Arteta has excelled since dropping into a deeper role.

"There are no defensive midfield players at the moment," explained Wenger.

"We try to find the defensive balance collectively. We have fewer players who are purely defenders but some are physically strong in defending like Diaby, some are tactically strong like Arteta.

"At the moment we have the balance because everybody participates, but we have fewer specialists, purely defenders. We are more versatile going forward because everyone has the potential to go forward."

Wenger knows that his team's balance will have to be just right if Arsenal are to prevail against Chelsea on Saturday.

"If you have a defensive balance, yes, that is what is at stake against Chelsea," he said. "Will you be strong enough defensively, in midfield as well, to deal with them? That's where one of the tests will be."



As much as this article makes me feel like this :banghead: it certainly offers an insight into what our dear leader believes and ultimately for me where the flaws lie.

I think what we've all been crying out for to be delivered to the club are the "specialist" players. The likes of a De Jong who fulfills a specific role on the pitch.

Today we saw Gervinho and Walcott who specialise in "pace" (unfortunately not a lot else) and who have both been shunted into a wide variety of positions to promote versatility . Gervinho up top and Ramsey on the left are perfect examples of this "versatility" that is costing us so dearly.

Play a left winger on the left,a right winger on the right etc

Instead what we have is a mix of players playing out of position and no one to focus on a specific role within the team.

As for the age of the "specialist" defensive midfielder being over I think last years title winners were quite fond of having a certain Nigel De Jong sitting in front of their defence and it worked pretty well for them.

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The age of the specialist defensive midfielder died in the Wenger household in 2008 when he let Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all leave together

He then pretended that Alex Mong had that ability - failing to recognise that responsibility number 1 was the ability to tackle properly and number 2 was the ability to retain possession responsibly.

Wait till Arteta gets crocked or banned. We are royally fucked - but the Self Harmer will still sprout these words of wisdom.

Up there with "captaincy is overplayed" -yep, the rotational captain; an undoubted success in the glory days of Arsene Self-Harmer 2006-2012

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That's an unbelievable excuse for not buying a DM
Next week he will be saying the age of the specialist striker is over and point to Spain winning the Euros :roll:

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SteveO 35 wrote:The age of the specialist defensive midfielder died in the Wenger household in 2008 when he let Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all leave together

He then pretended that Alex Mong had that ability - failing to recognise that responsibility number 1 was the ability to tackle properly and number 2 was the ability to retain possession responsibly.

Wait till Arteta gets crocked or banned. We are royally fucked - but the Self Harmer will still sprout these words of wisdom.

Up there with "captaincy is overplayed" -yep, the rotational captain; an undoubted success in the glory days of Arsene Self-Harmer 2006-2012
The age of the defensive midfielder has passed but Arsene is working on a follow up in trying to bring about the end of the age of the striker :oops:

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Wengerball wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:The age of the specialist defensive midfielder died in the Wenger household in 2008 when he let Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all leave together

He then pretended that Alex Mong had that ability - failing to recognise that responsibility number 1 was the ability to tackle properly and number 2 was the ability to retain possession responsibly.

Wait till Arteta gets crocked or banned. We are royally fucked - but the Self Harmer will still sprout these words of wisdom.

Up there with "captaincy is overplayed" -yep, the rotational captain; an undoubted success in the glory days of Arsene Self-Harmer 2006-2012
The age of the defensive midfielder has passed but Arsene is working on a follow up in trying to bring about the end of the age of the striker :oops:
Yea and the goalkeeper. :roll:

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Top Gun 49 wrote:That's an unbelievable excuse for not buying a DM
Next week he will be saying the age of the specialist striker is over and point to Spain winning the Euros :roll:
All these gems and more courtesy of pravda.com

A word of advice though- if you do venture onto pravda try and avoid the post match interview with ODL as it has a tendency to put the blood pressure up :evil:

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I think Coquelin is a good dynamic defensive midfielder and we should use more of him, with Yennaris a decent prospect too.
Frimpong is more of a box to box player, but a physical presence nonetheless.

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By the way, anything less than 9 points from the next three PL games and our fraud of a manager should be hanging his fucking head in shame - West Ham, Norwich and QPR - two of those three can't buy a win and as for West Ham; they are probably the only team with less strikers than us

We've been waiting for this 'improved team' who have a 'genuine title chance' to have a run of so called easier games. So lets see - anything less than 9 points Wenger is failure

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SteveO 35 wrote:By the way, anything less than 9 points from the next three PL games and our :shock: fraud of a manager should be hanging his fucking head in shame - West Ham, Norwich and QPR - two of those three can't buy a win and as for West Ham; they are probably the only team with less strikers than us

We've been waiting for this 'improved team' who have a 'genuine title chance' to have a run of so called easier games. So lets see - anything less than 9 points Wenger is failure
9 points :shock: not a fucking chance steve, i will go for 4 we will lose atleast one of them.

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goonersid wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:By the way, anything less than 9 points from the next three PL games and our :shock: fraud of a manager should be hanging his fucking head in shame - West Ham, Norwich and QPR - two of those three can't buy a win and as for West Ham; they are probably the only team with less strikers than us

We've been waiting for this 'improved team' who have a 'genuine title chance' to have a run of so called easier games. So lets see - anything less than 9 points Wenger is failure
9 points :shock: not a fucking chance steve, i will go for 4 we will lose atleast one of them.
In which case he should just do the decent thing and take a hike. Isn't this the supposed easy run of games that should see us pushing at the top of the table. I mean this new fantastic side is supposedly only where it is currently because we've played the likes of City and Chavs in our first six games (conveniently forgetting Sunderland and Stoke).

Norwich even got dicked by Liverpool who were roundly written off as being shit on here, whilst QPR lost 0-5 at home to Swansea (and even 2-3 to Reading in the cup), and then there's West Ham who have one striker of PL ability who is injured.

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These are 3 winnable games we should be brushing these sides apart but you can bet we will fuck 1 of these up, and my money is on the 1 against the fat walrus, big long balls into the box that mannone can get nowhere near becaause hes shit, the BFG has to play this game but knowing the guy in charge he will probably play djourou :banghead:

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mcdowell42 wrote:These are 3 winnable games we should be brushing these sides apart but you can bet we will fuck 1 of these up, and my money is on the 1 against the fat walrus, big long balls into the box that mannone can get nowhere near becaause hes shit, the BFG has to play this game but knowing the guy in charge he will probably play djourou :banghead:
I hear you mate, I hear you.

We all know it won't be 9 points. I'm just saying that supposedly we are where we are in the league because of all these tough games we've had i.e. Liverpool, City and Chelsea. If that argument supposedly stands up then surely by the same token we should be knocking over the terrible trio of West Ham, Norwich and QPR

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SteveO 35 wrote:
mcdowell42 wrote:These are 3 winnable games we should be brushing these sides apart but you can bet we will fuck 1 of these up, and my money is on the 1 against the fat walrus, big long balls into the box that mannone can get nowhere near becaause hes shit, the BFG has to play this game but knowing the guy in charge he will probably play djourou :banghead:
I hear you mate, I hear you.

We all know it won't be 9 points. I'm just saying that supposedly we are where we are in the league because of all these tough games we've had i.e. Liverpool, City and Chelsea. If that argument supposedly stands up then surely by the same token we should be knocking over the terrible trio of West Ham, Norwich and QPR

Fat sam will piss all over wenger next sat, i remember a while back when fatso was out of a job he was a pundit on sky and he described wenger as tactically naive, and i thought he hit the nail on the head with only those 2 words, and so next sat the usual 2 subs at 70 mins will be made after we are behind and chasing the game, walcott will come on to run around doing nothing and doing it well :banghead:

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mcdowell42 wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
mcdowell42 wrote:These are 3 winnable games we should be brushing these sides apart but you can bet we will fuck 1 of these up, and my money is on the 1 against the fat walrus, big long balls into the box that mannone can get nowhere near becaause hes shit, the BFG has to play this game but knowing the guy in charge he will probably play djourou :banghead:
I hear you mate, I hear you.

We all know it won't be 9 points. I'm just saying that supposedly we are where we are in the league because of all these tough games we've had i.e. Liverpool, City and Chelsea. If that argument supposedly stands up then surely by the same token we should be knocking over the terrible trio of West Ham, Norwich and QPR

Fat sam will piss all over wenger next sat, i remember a while back when fatso was out of a job he was a pundit on sky and he described wenger as tactically naive, and i thought he hit the nail on the head with only those 2 words, and so next sat the usual 2 subs at 70 mins will be made after we are behind and chasing the game, walcott will come on to run around doing nothing and doing it well :banghead:
Ahh, but the poor little love is a central striker haven't you heard ? Yep, apparently he played there a few times when he was 14, so that's a guarantee of future success. Just a good job that pikey Carroll won't be playing for them (I presume) otherwise the images of Koscielny being knocked around like a schoolboy and Vito doing the Mannone-kokey (i.e. you take one step in, then one step out, in, out, in, out and wave your arms about) would be even more painful to watch

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I'm afraid Wenger is nothing else but leader of massive CULT. Yesterday was absolutely surreal expirience at Emirates for me - do not belive your own eyes, belive in ArsenEal :oops:

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