THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

Oh dear.
So the "who could possibly replace him" argument didn't hold up, now were onto "its not Arsenes fault, its the board"

Then we'll have, not necessarily in this order....
Manure
Chelski
Man Shitty
Fifa Fair Play
The referees
The pitches
Injuries

[SteveO 35]

Oh dear.
So the "who could possibly replace him" argument didn't hold up, now were onto "its not Arsenes fault, its the board"

Then we'll have, not necessarily in this order....
Manure
Chelski
Man Shitty
Fifa Fair Play
The referees
The pitches
Injuries

Not to mention the international breaks and the fixture schedulers - the old Wenger conspiracy theories are always the best

[g88ner]

oh i totally admit it - i've always been a defeatist as far as The Arsenal are concerned. back in the 1980's it was almost compulsory.

Ah, that explains it

No, you're not wrong to be scared we could do worse than Wenger; I think that's a real possibility... but I suppose that's the risk some would consider worth taking and others wouldn't.

[clockender1]

"its not Arsenes fault, its the board" [/b]

show me where i've said that - you are making a 'straw man' argument there pal.

i started by saying this :

i don't.

i want him to pull his socks up, and i think some of his success may have been a coincidence of timing, luck and others misfortune - who of us knew in 1991 that the mickeys would never win it again, for example ? had they been challengers in 1998 and 2002, and 2004, we may have only had one title...

I think that he has the potential to bring us another league title and FA cups, i do. but i can see the failings with keepers, the youth project, set pieces and a lack of plan "B".

i also understand that in the past he's shown little inclination to learn from his mistakes, so i'm on the fence.

so as we are assigning straw positions here, can i say its fair to say that you think the board has done a top top job, and you are 100% confident they will choose the right man to keep us at the top for years to come i.e. you are a "BKB" - the Board Knows Best" yeah ?

sorted then. you are officially Ivan Gazidis's biatch.


now maybe the adults can carry on and have a chat about grown ups stuff yeah ?

like how we get out of this mess maybe...

[OneBardGooner]

I hope this comes true.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/vie ... r-Arsenal/

[TeeCee]

I said 2 years ago that Guardiola would be Arsenal manager in the next 3 years! It's an obvious move to be honest. Get Wenger out!

[clockender1]

Ah, that explains it

No, you're not wrong to be scared we could do worse than Wenger; I think that's a real possibility... but I suppose that's the risk some would consider worth taking and others wouldn't.

which i think is fair enough, but we also thought that Don Howe was a step up from Terry Neill - long servant of the club, England AC for donkeys years (even under Alf Ramsey i think too...). that did not go well.

and btw - i've been to 5 losing cup finals ( 2 wembley, paris, cardiff and copenhagen2.oh) , and not seen a win yet. i did have a ticket for the 1993 Coca Cola cup. my flight the day before got fogged in and i watched the next (sunny morning) as that Sundays flights went out on time and we were slotted in at 3.15pm (for a 3pm KO at wembley)...so my lack of optimism is well founded - particularly as my Dad using MY season ticket has seen 4 FA cups, 1 LC and the ECWC...

i sometimes wonder why i still carried on going, but then i look in me wallet at my ticket dated 23rd April 1989 for the Spion Kop terrace and i remember

miracles do happen. but maybe only once lifetime...

[kiwomyaswetdream]

It makes me sick to think that people sit on boards like this talking about replacing our manager and going on about his failures and what not.

The truth is (if you are willing to face it) until the likes of Abramovich grossly influenced things and without there likes in the game the future was and would be alot rosier. Whether you choose to believe it or not does not matter because the facts are all that matter.

We have been through an extraordinary period where the natural run of things has been altered. This is no fault of the club or the manager.

Arsene Wenger is the reason we have stayed as high as we have.

The grass is not greener with a new manager because however you all try and spin it, we will be in the same financial position, with the same CORRECT business model even with a change of staff.

I love my club and the way its been run and the way we go about things. Yes it can be frustrating, yes it angers me when players leave, but everything that has happened has been for legitimate and necessary reasons, whether it be unhappiness, ridiculous demands or disharmony. We dont want our club to buy tainted trophies.

I rest my case

[OneBardGooner]

I said 2 years ago that Guardiola would be Arsenal manager in the next 3 years! It's an obvious move to be honest. Get Wenger out!

I remember when Guardiola announced he was leaving Barcawhores for a restbit - I thought then - If he can take 2 years and not just one - He could/might come to The Arsenal...Would be amazing!

[g88ner]

It makes me sick to think that people sit on boards like this talking about replacing our manager and going on about his failures and what not.

Once you've calmed down, and got your outraged posts done with, I reckon - if you take the time to debate calmly with people on here - you'll find you've got more in common with most of those "sickening" people than you realise. It's often the case.

Usually, all parties acknowledge the same general weaknesses and errors in the management; the main difference being how you process that information.

Hope you stick around, mate. Welcome to the forum.

[clockender1]

I remember when Guardiola announced he was leaving Barcawhores for a restbit - I thought then - If he can take 2 years and not just one - He could/might come to The Arsenal...Would be amazing!

Hleb said Pep is 'not as good' as Wenger today, and 'anyone can manage barcelona'

which i think is code for "i got found out at Barcelona, and i wasn't good enough for Birmingham City".....


just purely for sentimental reasons i'd like Marco Van Basten - with Dennis as joint coach with Bouldy. sorted.

whoever it is, i want someone who comes and stays 5 or 10 years. not stay for 2 successful years then bugger off for a "new challenge".

we never ever want to be chelsea/real/inter. do we ?

and yes i know they've all won the EC but they are all also *word censored* of the highest order.

[arseofacrow]

It makes me sick to think that people sit on boards like this talking about replacing our manager and going on about his failures and what not.

Once you've calmed down, and got your outraged posts done with, I reckon - if you take the time to debate calmly with people on here - you'll find you've got more in common with most of those "sickening" people than you realise. It's often the case.

Usually, all parties acknowledge the same general weaknesses and errors in the management; the main difference being how you process that information.

Hope you stick around, mate. Welcome to the forum.

I remember when you were a bright,fresh-faced young optimist g88ner...

[armchair]

oh i totally admit it - i've always been a defeatist as far as The Arsenal are concerned. back in the 1980's it was almost compulsory.

my point is that when we dug up Wenger from nowhere, and George from Millwall, we had a competant board. now we don't.( & Rioch did okay in his year i thought...)

am i wrong to be that scared that we'll pick a pile of pony, really ?

how is the board's track record recently - when I think about the move, the kits, the crest, the outrageous wages of bentdner, song and diaby etc. approved by this board, the quality players missed out on for the matter of 5-10k a week, exactly how am i supposed to be optimistic ?

i'd be more than happy for the board to throw money at mourinho, guardiola (i'd give my left nut for him actually) or Rijkaard, but as they don't throw money at anything other than mediocrity, and have shown zero football knowledge to boot, i just don't see it chaps.

unless guardiola has the fucking horn for The Arsenal, or Mourinho wants to get back at the chavs, i think we're buggered either way until we get a new board.

Mate its hard not to think you're blaming the board when you post like that.
You're also blaming the board for missing out on players for a paltry 5-10k pre wk. I blame Wenger for this austerity, not the board. Wenger calls the shots and it sooo suits "the board" to oblige. Wenger sits in on board meetings anyway and if they're witholding funds then he should have walked. I dond belive this is the case but if it is then Wenger is complicit and happy to pick up his pay cheque while penny pinching.

So correct me if I'm wrong and please allow me to paraphrase this time.....
You aknowlege some of Wengers success was pure coincidence, ie right place, right time, right defence, Dein etc
You can see the failings with keepers, the youth project, set pieces and a lack of plan "B".
You also understand that in the past he's shown little inclination to learn from his mistakes (yet you say you want him to pull his socks up! )
You reckon Wenger is the best of a bad bunch (I dont understand this one. What bunch?)
We havent won anything in 7-8 years

Then you say you're on the fence. You dont want Wenger out because we might get someone worse?
Thats truly a very poor argument.
Its like saying - "I know hes a bit shit but I'm comfortable being just a bit shit. I'd prefer to be just a bit shit than actually make a change where we might get someone really shit."


I agree with you on all your points above except I most certaintly am not on the fuckin fence. I say for all the reasons you have pointed out and quite a few more he should be gone long ago.

Change will see a new era, a new atmosphere and everyone will get behind the new manager. There will be no more AKB or WOB.

Bring it fukin on

[Top Londoner]

"I rest my case"



As in RIP ????

[Number 5]

Wass all this a page or so back going on about we only had Utd to compete with back in the glory years? Now there is Utd, City and Chelsea.

Nuh-Uh girlfriend.

Back in the day there was a lavishly spending Liverpool and the cocaine binge hooker fest that was Leeds. Both paid out vast sums to try and challenge for the league title and couldn't get past us.

Back then Wenger had an edge. Today he's lost it. Through fear of trying to at least complete, through sheer bloody mindedness or through down right arrogance? Little from column A a little from column B and a little from column C for this mother fucker.

With the right kind of decent investment, keeping the best of the squads together and shipping out the deadwood, I reckon there were at least 2 of the last 5 titles that were winnable had we added just an extra 20% more.

Easily.

Wengers had it mates.