RESPECT.. Let's kick racism out of football

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Re: RESPECT.. Let's kick racism out of football

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Ferdinard and Roberts are Right. Wearing T Shirts a'int gonna achieve a Damn thing. There are no people of colour in top posts in the Premier League or FA. David Cameron's Cabinet don't any Black Faces on the front bench :hmmthink:

Racism is a divide and rule tactic, blame poor whites for racism and get poor blacks thinking everyone white is racist while the rich discriminate against everyone who a'int from their class regardless of colour. I remember David Rocastle being racially abused by Boro fans at Highbury in the late 80s, he responded by scoring a stunning goal, he took on three of their defenders and out the ball in the top corner. 8)

Paul Davis had it right just ask Glen Cockerall :box: :mrgreen:

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Agree with those not wearing t-shirts. Again it boils down to the FA thinking that it's sufficient to not take any real steps as long as they have the facade with the t-shirts. Kick it Out is a tinpot organisation with 5 employees and a budget of £300k/y, not nearly sufficient to keep racism out of all levels of football is it?

Brilliant rant from Holloway on the Serbian affair: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20009560

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Top say by Holloway, have always admired his passion for the game and he's bang-on with his scathing rant.

Fifa and Uefa are a fucking joke, but then again that's not news.

Organizations like the FA do nothing but pay lip service to the idea of "kick it out" but when push comes to shove, time and time again they have proven they're NOT willing to take a meaningful stand.

Terry should not be playing in the Premier League for the rest of the season. And Uefa should follow suit by not letting him playin the CL either. That would at least be a start.

Don't even get me started on Fifa and Serbia.

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Why don't we just kick John Terry out of football i'm sure it would have 100% support in the form of t shirts

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The whole campaign has always been politically correct bullshit lip service from the get go .
Racists will always be racists no matter what ,wearing silly T shorts wont stop it .

The Eastern European clubs have been getting away with blatant racism for a number of years with impunity and will continue to do so unless they get points deducted or expulsion from competitions ,this won't stop racism itself ,but it
will drive it from the game.

Rio Ferdinand however whilst playing the injured racist victim thinks calling cole a choc ice on the other hand is funny,fucking Hypocrite !

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Herd wrote:The whole campaign has always been politically correct bullshit lip service from the get go .
Racists will always be racists no matter what ,wearing silly T shorts wont stop it .

The Eastern European clubs have been getting away with blatant racism for a number of years with impunity and will continue to do so unless they get points deducted or expulsion from competitions ,this won't stop racism itself ,but it
will drive it from the game.

Rio Ferdinand however whilst playing the injured racist victim thinks calling cole a choc ice on the other hand is funny,fucking Hypocrite !
Spot on especially the last bit about Ferdinand/choc ice

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When the Kick It Out campaign started I thought it was a good idea. To see every player wearing T-shirts seemed to demonstrate a solidarity and commitment, but now it's just wallpaper and the ridiculous 4 matches given to JT highlights that T-shirts and wristbands are not enough. Actions will always speak louder than words and when, as now, the actions contradict the words the result is the complete undermining of the gestures.

If Suarez got 8 games, JT should have got 8 to 12 and Serbia (and many others, inculding Spain) need to start losing points and being banned. Ib the face of what happened in Serbia, wearing T-shirts at the weekend was just pissing in the wind.

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GranadaJoe wrote:When the Kick It Out campaign started I thought it was a good idea. To see every player wearing T-shirts seemed to demonstrate a solidarity and commitment, but now it's just wallpaper and the ridiculous 4 matches given to JT highlights that T-shirts and wristbands are not enough. Actions will always speak louder than words and when, as now, the actions contradict the words the result is the complete undermining of the gestures.

If Suarez got 8 games, JT should have got 8 to 12 and Serbia (and many others, inculding Spain) need to start losing points and being banned. Ib the face of what happened in Serbia, wearing T-shirts at the weekend was just pissing in the wind.

But suarez is a johnny foreigner and good old JT comes from fine English stock cant u see the difference ?

Holy Negrito's its Farcical !

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Whilst I support Jar Jar Binks' sense of frustration I think Kick it Out is the wrong target. I heard on the radio that kick it out has an annual budget of £500,000. What's that? Two weeks wages for Rio? If he wants it to have some clout and impact maybe he can dig into his own pocket.

Or focus frustration at the real people - the FA and the clubs who back their racist players. But no wait, he wont attack the FA because that gets you fined :roll:

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It's all bollocks really, isn't it? The powerless FA are bollocks, the gutless greedy FIFA & UEFA are bollocks, the racist players are bollocks, the greedy, racism enabling clubs are bollocks and brazilianGOONER is bollocks.

Just added that last one because the lazy cuntwound does fuck all modding but still gets well paid in ladygash for it!! :tickedoff: :banghead: :evil:









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The whole initiative is doomed to fail just by it's title. How about we kick racism out of society and not just 'football'?

Like Herd has said above, wearing shirts and wristbands makes fuck all difference as the racists will continue to be racist and hold their ignorant views regardless of how many shirts people who aren't racist wear. On top of that you've got people like Terry wearing the shirt and making a farce of the whole campaign after he's just called someone a black c*nt :roll:

If they really want to get rid of racism in football they have to focus on getting rid of it in society in general. This will have to be done in the form of sanctions against countrys who are repeat offenders in the short term, and education in the long term. Wearing a tshirt and a wristband on one day of the year will not make a difference.

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UTU The Arsenal wrote:
Paul Davis had it right just ask Glen Cockerall :box: :mrgreen:
In an interview Davis said there was nothing racial about what Cockerill did, it was just repeated annoying comments that caused him to snap.

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We know football just reflects society. People believe, like when they're on twitter that they have a degree of anonymity, they can do what they want, so they shout out the same stuff they'll shout at home in front of the telly.

I support the kick out campaign in principle, raising awarness, and reminded people who watch the PL that racism is not acceptable, this is a very positive aspect. When you're in another country where racism is more acceptable at least in a small way a message can come across rather than not at all. We are trying to influence people by having a kick it out campaign.

Where it fails is that like many other decisions the FA makes, they make special exceptions. For example , they try and take a serious stance on violent conduct bans, yet famously protested Wayne Rooney's world cup ban :roll: . John Terry got a reduced ban for racist abuse because somehow the lip readers only saw him do it once, whearas Suarez said it multiple times and gets a longer ban :roll:. The special exceptions to the rules given to these players destroys the principles that the FA states and promotes.

As for the Serbia incident or in the likes of Russia. Its not socially unacceptable to be racist in these countries, in my opinion. That is where they differ from many other european countries. Serbians think its a joke, because they don't even acknowledge the abuse. They say what the fans did was a retort. These people aren't serious. Lucky for them UEFA is also not serious otherwise they would be facing a ban. UEFA have the power to send a strong message, but it seems will choose to not do so.

I am absoutely dissapointed at the idea of a Black Footballers union see http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20048531, do we really need more partitioning then we already have. A Black Footballers unions that whites, asians can't go to? People who came up with this gem really need a strong think. We need to pressure the FA to stop being hyprocrites and sort themselves out, and have a single PFA for ALL players.

I just hope this is all part of a process of human development we'll look back on as part of human history, people accepting are different but have far, far more in common.

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MM99 wrote:The whole initiative is doomed to fail just by it's title. How about we kick racism out of society and not just 'football'?

Like Herd has said above, wearing shirts and wristbands makes fuck all difference as the racists will continue to be racist and hold their ignorant views regardless of how many shirts people who aren't racist wear. On top of that you've got people like Terry wearing the shirt and making a farce of the whole campaign after he's just called someone a black c*nt :roll:

If they really want to get rid of racism in football they have to focus on getting rid of it in society in general. This will have to be done in the form of sanctions against countrys who are repeat offenders in the short term, and education in the long term. Wearing a tshirt and a wristband on one day of the year will not make a difference.
Yes, spot on. Football reflects our society.

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