Canaries V (what proved to be) the Arsenal light-weights

[flash gunner]

Shocking performance and result. JD is right too it wasnt Wengers fault

[DB10GOONER]

armchair says: excuses in early??? did you even read the rest of the post?
I list, what I see as, Wengers keys failings. There are several, many based on discounting the opposition.

in this case I think we can afford to (and should) discount the opposition
Norwich are poo. They may attack, may try and defend deep or hold a high line.
Who cares? Batter them. Losing to them IMO would be inexcusable for the players WHATEVER the manager did
I dont think if we lose Wenger has specifically "fucked it up".

He has assembled a group of players with sufficient quality that if every coach at the club is kidnapped by aliens tonight
they should still win on Saturday

Sorry, but that is just a bizarre way to look at football. And it’s one of the worst AKB excuses I’ve ever read tbh.

The manager plays a VITAL role. Otherwise why would any team have one?! To say the manager selects the players and then he is absolved of all guilt or blame if things go tits up is ridiculous, mate. Why do Chairmen sack managers? Because the players are shit? No, because the manager has failed in his role.

The PL has shown us all one thing in particular. Freak results can happen. Relegation-fodder can (and sometimes do) go to places like Old Shatford or The Conglomerates or Victim City and win games. Not often – but it does happen. You can NEVER discount the opposition in the PL.

A fancied team (like say, Arsenal) can turn up and 3 or 4 key players coincidently have an off-day or a dip in form/confidence/whatever. Maybe the ref is shit and gifts the home team a soft goal. Maybe (coincidently) every single oppo player has his best game of the season that day. Suddenly we are on the back foot and the oppo have their heads up. THIS is when the manager is vital and THIS is when he really earns his pay. He changes the formation or makes a couple of key substitutions. He tells a couple of players a few home truths or he throws an arm around a player lacking in confidence. He initiates a “Plan B”. He does any or all of those things.

THIS is where Wenger fails so often. And if I’m reading you right, THIS is where we should just ignore his failings, discount the opposition and blame the players??!!

Jesus fucking Christ.

But seriously, JD - Saturday proved why you can NEVER discount the oppo in the PL and why a manager plays a key role in these games (or not, in Wenger's case).

I sat open mouthed as I watched Wenger's "solution" to the very obvious problems on the pitch was to bring on a kid with no experience and the laziest most disinterested "footballer" on the planet; the Lazy Russian.

Also, cudos to Norwich. They totally nullified Carzola. How? Oh - by using a little thing called tactics. They compressed their midfield and their back 4 to prevent him getting in where he does his best work (between the back 4 and the midfield).

Wow. Tactics.

[goonersid]

Ramsey in the starting line up = shit performance. Time and time again this useless welsh tosser drags the whole team down to his level.
So I agree with highbury jd, it's not Wenger's fault

[richie]

Ramsey in the starting line up = shit performance. Time and time again this useless welsh tosser drags the whole team down to his level.
So I agree with highbury jd, it's not Wenger's fault

There is a few of the team already at his bloody level i would say.Mannone and gervinho to start with.

[OneBardGooner]

armchair says: excuses in early??? did you even read the rest of the post?
I list, what I see as, Wengers keys failings. There are several, many based on discounting the opposition.

in this case I think we can afford to (and should) discount the opposition
Norwich are poo. They may attack, may try and defend deep or hold a high line.
Who cares? Batter them. Losing to them IMO would be inexcusable for the players WHATEVER the manager did
I dont think if we lose Wenger has specifically "fucked it up".

He has assembled a group of players with sufficient quality that if every coach at the club is kidnapped by aliens tonight
they should still win on Saturday

Sorry, but that is just a bizarre way to look at football. And it’s one of the worst AKB excuses I’ve ever read tbh.

The manager plays a VITAL role. Otherwise why would any team have one?! To say the manager selects the players and then he is absolved of all guilt or blame if things go tits up is ridiculous, mate. Why do Chairmen sack managers? Because the players are shit? No, because the manager has failed in his role.

The PL has shown us all one thing in particular. Freak results can happen. Relegation-fodder can (and sometimes do) go to places like Old Shatford or The Conglomerates or Victim City and win games. Not often – but it does happen. You can NEVER discount the opposition in the PL.

A fancied team (like say, Arsenal) can turn up and 3 or 4 key players coincidently have an off-day or a dip in form/confidence/whatever. Maybe the ref is shit and gifts the home team a soft goal. Maybe (coincidently) every single oppo player has his best game of the season that day. Suddenly we are on the back foot and the oppo have their heads up. THIS is when the manager is vital and THIS is when he really earns his pay. He changes the formation or makes a couple of key substitutions. He tells a couple of players a few home truths or he throws an arm around a player lacking in confidence. He initiates a “Plan B”. He does any or all of those things.

THIS is where Wenger fails so often. And if I’m reading you right, THIS is where we should just ignore his failings, discount the opposition and blame the players??!!

Jesus fucking Christ.

But seriously, JD - Saturday proved why you can NEVER discount the oppo in the PL and why a manager plays a key role in these games (or not, in Wenger's case).

I sat open mouthed as I watched Wenger's "solution" to the very obvious problems on the pitch was to bring on a kid with no experience and the laziest most disinterested "footballer" on the planet; the Lazy Russian.

Also, cudos to Norwich. They totally nullified Carzola. How? Oh - by using a little thing called tactics. They compressed their midfield and their back 4 to prevent him getting in where he does his best work (between the back 4 and the midfield).

Wow. Tactics.

Watchu onnabout Willis!??...Wenker knows lots about tac tics...No that's errmmmm Tic Tacs!... ...yeah he's a *word censored*.

[mikeyb772001]

no its not wongers fault

FUCK OFF YOU TWAT!

[highburyJD]

did anyone even read what I posted when I got home?

Didnt get home till midnight. Screwing. That was unacceptable...The manager was criminally indecisive and let the game meander...It was obvious they needed shaking up. Negligent. So our manager, front three, goalie and a central midfielder were all unconscionably shite... I was totally wrong about the shitness of Norwich (or underrated the shitness of Arsenal). Fine for me to be complacent, arrogant for the players.

no point in posting a mea culpa,
which I never seem to hear from anyone else here (obviously I'm the only person who's ever got anything wrong)
I posted admitting an error but everyone chooses to ignore it

the manager had a 'mare:
massive tactical fail, then a total failure to change things till far too late.
He also failed to motivate the team/combat complacency - in that failing he shares blame with the players
they earn enough money to put in some effort on a Saturday without somebody telling them to do so

shocking performances from Giroud, Podolski, Gervinho, Rambo and Mannone + an equally shocking performance from Wenger.

Was a mistake for me to discount Norwich - their performances v Chelski & 'Pool were truly tragic, Swindonesque
but they had two weeks to work on that obvious failing and establish a gameplan to frustrate us
Hughton, who I slated, was successful in that respect. They started and set up well.
That can happen - for me Wengers huge failing was not recognising it and changing things.

I under-rated both Norwich and how important our manager would be to this game. Not sure how that's specifically AKB.
I expected us to win - dismissing Wenger's influence was, I thought at the time, removing credit for an expected 3 points...

[I Hate Hleb]

Apology accepted.

[flash gunner]

did anyone even read what I posted when I got home?

Didnt get home till midnight. Screwing. That was unacceptable...The manager was criminally indecisive and let the game meander...It was obvious they needed shaking up. Negligent. So our manager, front three, goalie and a central midfielder were all unconscionably shite... I was totally wrong about the shitness of Norwich (or underrated the shitness of Arsenal). Fine for me to be complacent, arrogant for the players.

no point in posting a mea culpa,
which I never seem to hear from anyone else here (obviously I'm the only person who's ever got anything wrong)
I posted admitting an error but everyone chooses to ignore it

the manager had a 'mare:
massive tactical fail, then a total failure to change things till far too late.
He also failed to motivate the team/combat complacency - in that failing he shares blame with the players
they earn enough money to put in some effort on a Saturday without somebody telling them to do so

shocking performances from Giroud, Podolski, Gervinho, Rambo and Mannone + an equally shocking performance from Wenger.

Was a mistake for me to discount Norwich - their performances v Chelski & 'Pool were truly tragic, Swindonesque
but they had two weeks to work on that obvious failing and establish a gameplan to frustrate us
Hughton, who I slated, was successful in that respect. They started and set up well.
That can happen - for me Wengers huge failing was not recognising it and changing things.

I under-rated both Norwich and how important our manager would be to this game. Not sure how that's specifically AKB.
I expected us to win - dismissing Wenger's influence was, I thought at the time, removing credit for an expected 3 points...

This is your finest moment on the forum, well played

[highburyJD]

wish I wasn't busy today,
I could spend time trawling threads for mistakes/nonsense/BS/stupid predictions from you lot and demand some retractions

[flash gunner]

wish I wasn't busy today,
I could spend time trawling threads for mistakes/nonsense/BS/stupid predictions from you lot and demand some retractions

Phew



We've all made mistakes mate and ive done my fair share, as long as you admit it then everyone forgives even if they dont EVER forget

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

I can take losing - any team can beat any team in this league.

But losing lookng you don't give a sh/t....thats inexcusable. I credit the coaches, because defensively, we do look more solid as a unit, just six goals conceded, the joint best in the league - but not having a Goalkeeper of note is costing us, especially as we are no longer creating the chances / scoring the goals to compensate.

Ramsey, Gervinho - both were effectively stealing a living as a footballer on Saturday - but the whole team (except arguaably Jenkinson and Arteta) were well, well below par.

Can take defeats, but not in that manner.

[goonersid]

wish I wasn't busy today,
I could spend time trawling threads for mistakes/nonsense/BS/stupid predictions from you lot and demand some retractions

Thing is JD, this wasn't something that couldn't be seen to be coming. Wenger and his teams have done this so many times over the last 7 years, that I found it incredible that you could have ignored that and been so bullish on getting 3 easy points.
You can never take anything granted in football, even less so when it concerns Wenger and his team.

[I Hate Hleb]

wish I wasn't busy today,
I could spend time trawling threads for mistakes/nonsense/BS/stupid predictions from you lot and demand some retractions

(Not that I've personally got anything to worry about. Just concerned for some of my colleagues and other forum regulars )

[TheCook]

It took me back to the bad old days of performances from teams including regulars such as Denilson, Almunia and Eboue.

Next league game is a match against a struggling team under pressure and still looking for their first win of the season. What could possibly go wrong?