Canaries V (what proved to be) the Arsenal light-weights

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goonersid wrote:
highburyJD wrote:wish I wasn't busy today,
I could spend time trawling threads for mistakes/nonsense/BS/stupid predictions from you lot and demand some retractions
:barscarf: :wink:
Thing is JD, this wasn't something that couldn't be seen to be coming. Wenger and his teams have done this so many times over the last 7 years, that I found it incredible that you could have ignored that and been so bullish on getting 3 easy points.
You can never take anything granted in football, even less so when it concerns Wenger and his team.
I saw Norwich's defending v Fulham, Liverpool and Chels and honestly thought I could pick a group of mates and give them a game

lots on here have said there's NO WAY we would make any signings just before we bought Arteta, Mertesacker (yaaay) Santos (nice bloke...) and Park (WTF)
Some now say there's NO WAY we will sign a striker in Jan, IMO its pretty obvious we will.
How good he is is one issue (of course the main issue, but I think its also an opportunity to make a 'marquee' signing, increase our profile and strengthen our hand in 2014 sponsorship negs)

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To clarify, would you count taking Henry on loan for a month as signing a striker?

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northbank123 wrote:To clarify, would you count taking Henry on loan for a month as signing a striker?
no (although I do hope we do that as well)

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the bad old days cook???

those days are the norm now. we are on that level maybe even below it. average al was better by a distance than mannone for example. and for all his idiocy eboue was a ok backup right back.

as for denilson, read ramsey. they are on par.

the almunia/deni/eboue days were not bad old days, things have not improved since them.

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DB10GOONER wrote: Also, cudos to Norwich. They totally nullified Carzola. How? Oh - by using a little thing called tactics. They compressed their midfield and their back 4 to prevent him getting in where he does his best work (between the back 4 and the midfield).

Wow. Tactics. :shock: :banghead:
We are only 8 games into the season and already Wenger's "new game plan" has been laid bare twice resulting in defeat, first by the Chavs, which can be excused, basically cos they are better than us. Now more worryingly though, by arguably the worst team in the premier league.
There have been those on here and in the media, who have been talking us up this season, they should now take a reality check. It's a case of different personnel but same old story. That should suggest to any one with half a brain, that Ramsey and Gervinho aside :wink: it's not the players fault but the Manager who is to blame. Nothing has changed nor ever will until this arrogant, incompetent fool is gone.

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a more tactically tight manager might have
a) surprised Norwich or b) changed what obviously wasn't working

not sure they would address our more fundamental problem and have made Fabregas and RVP stay
Overcoming that is IMO more likely through building funds and spending at the right time.
Wenger has consistently put together cheap competitive teams but he hasn't had that great a record when spending big.

I've posted elsewhere I like the idea of a marquee signing this Jan as it could strengthen our hand in 2014
a- in terms of profile and
b- obviously increasing our chances of actually winning something this or next season

We have a pretty good youth team and some OK prospects on loan
but the reality is when Wenger does eventually go the new man will have a rebuild on.
Does it make sense to save as much money as possible for him?

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goonersid wrote:Ramsey in the starting line up = shit performance. Time and time again this useless welsh tosser drags the whole team down to his level.
So I agree with highbury jd, it's not Wenger's fault :roll: :wink:
Some sort of hitherto unknown Northern Ireland vs Wales rivalry we should be made aware of?

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QuartzGooner wrote:
goonersid wrote:Ramsey in the starting line up = shit performance. Time and time again this useless welsh tosser drags the whole team down to his level.
So I agree with highbury jd, it's not Wenger's fault :roll: :wink:
Some sort of hitherto unknown Northern Ireland vs Wales rivalry we should be made aware of?
Excuse me :? Where is this place you speak of :wink:

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QuartzGooner wrote:
goonersid wrote:Ramsey in the starting line up = shit performance. Time and time again this useless welsh tosser drags the whole team down to his level.
So I agree with highbury jd, it's not Wenger's fault :roll: :wink:
Some sort of hitherto unknown Northern Ireland vs Wales rivalry we should be made aware of?
Feckin racist :heads:

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Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich

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highburyJD wrote:Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich
Agree fully. When Diaby came off against Chelsea he was noticibly poorer in the middle.

Hate to suggest it, but perhaps the combative nature of the middle is still playing on his fears after that horror tackle.

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Barriecuda wrote:
highburyJD wrote:Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich
Agree fully. When Diaby came off against Chelsea he was noticibly poorer in the middle.

Hate to suggest it, but perhaps the combative nature of the middle is still playing on his fears after that horror tackle.

Maybe so, but how long can we blame his overall play on his injury,just seems to me tht when he plays badly its oh thts because of the horrific injury,it can only used as an excuse for so long.

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mcdowell42 wrote:
Barriecuda wrote:
highburyJD wrote:Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich
Agree fully. When Diaby came off against Chelsea he was noticibly poorer in the middle.

Hate to suggest it, but perhaps the combative nature of the middle is still playing on his fears after that horror tackle.

Maybe so, but how long can we blame his overall play on his injury,just seems to me tht when he plays badly its oh thts because of the horrific injury,it can only used as an excuse for so long.
He was shit before the leg break, so how do they explain that. :roll:

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Barriecuda wrote:
highburyJD wrote:Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich
Agree fully. When Diaby came off against Chelsea he was noticibly poorer in the middle.

Hate to suggest it, but perhaps the combative nature of the middle is still playing on his fears after that horror tackle.
Don't think so, he doesn't really shirk tackles and besides, despite his stature Diaby is hardly great in the tackle.

His problem is going forward, that he drains too much of the energy and pace out of attacks. Cazorla and Arteta can move the ball extremely fast (as well as having great vision): realistically you either need to also have great passing ability and be able to play sharp football (like Wilshere) or be able to carry the ball at pace to create space (like Diaby SOMETIMES) to fit in. Unfortunately Ramsey has neither of these attributes.

Wasn't fair to expect him to do Cesc's job last year especially given that it wasn't his natural position, but he's just not good enough in the middle and I don't see that changing. He's done well out wide this season but he pretty much ended up playing as a floating midfielder and helping us overrun City in the middle up there, even if he could replicate this in future it's a negative tactic of limited use, he's certainly no winger.

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northbank123 wrote:
Barriecuda wrote:
highburyJD wrote:Rambo somehow looks much better wide than he does in the middle this season
good v ManShitty, atrocious v Norwich
Agree fully. When Diaby came off against Chelsea he was noticibly poorer in the middle.

Hate to suggest it, but perhaps the combative nature of the middle is still playing on his fears after that horror tackle.
Don't think so, he doesn't really shirk tackles and besides, despite his stature Diaby is hardly great in the tackle.

His problem is going forward, that he drains too much of the energy and pace out of attacks. Cazorla and Arteta can move the ball extremely fast (as well as having great vision): realistically you either need to also have great passing ability and be able to play sharp football (like Wilshere) or be able to carry the ball at pace to create space (like Diaby SOMETIMES) to fit in. Unfortunately Ramsey has neither of these attributes.


Wasn't fair to expect him to do Cesc's job last year especially given that it wasn't his natural position, but he's just not good enough in the middle and I don't see that changing. He's done well out wide this season but he pretty much ended up playing as a floating midfielder and helping us overrun City in the middle up there, even if he could replicate this in future it's a negative tactic of limited use, he's certainly no winger.
great post, honestly. you have summed him up. he is not good enough and never will be.

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