THE WENGER THREAD

[flash gunner]

Youre writing off Cazorla and Wilshere already Sid? Blimey give it a chance to work

[goonersid]

Youre writing off Cazorla and Wilshere already Sid? Blimey give it a chance to work

More writing off Wenger's ability to accomodate both.

[g88ner]

I also think that since Willshire's return we actually look worse, I don't think he and Carzola can play together

To be fair, Wilshere has only been back for 2 games - before which he was out for 14-15 months. You need to give him time, mate.

Anyway, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to play with Cazorla. Quality players find a way; especially when they're as versatile as those 2. It's hardly a Gerrard/Lampard situation.

[goonersid]

I also think that since Willshire's return we actually look worse, I don't think he and Carzola can play together

To be fair, Wilshere has only been back for 2 games - before which he was out for 14-15 months. You need to give him time, mate.

Anyway, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to play with Cazorla. Quality players find a way; especially when they're as versatile as those 2. It's hardly a Gerrard/Lampard situation.

Maybe that's exactly what it is, and if you are suggesting that Gerrard and Lampard aren't quality players, then as much as I despise both of them, Willshire and Carzola have a long way to go to achieve the consistency of performance in the prem league as those 2.

[northbank123]

What mettle do Spurs have? AVB hardly inspired at Chelsea and the fans haven't taken to him at all. Apart from their anomaly at OT they've taken 2 points from Norwich, West Brom and Wigan at home and struggled past QPR and Villa, as well as being comprehensively beaten by the Chavs. They nearly managed to gift relegation fodder Saints a point and lost at the Barcodes on the road, and so far they've failed to win in Europe against some piss-poor opposition and crashed out the LC despite playing very strong line-ups in both. They've also conceded 8 more league goals than us and are looking significantly worse than last year.

Agree that Everton have more grit about them but then I reckon they seriously lack the quality that we have. I know we have some absolute dross but Osman, Neville and co in midfield hardly stack up to Arteta, Cazorla and Wilshere.

Both sides are above us in the league, and the Chavs spuds game was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. As for our midfield it has been nullified in the last 3 lge games by using simple tactics, I have no doubt that Osman, Neville and if the co you are referring to is the excellent Fellaini, can under the guidance of Moyes do a similar job on Arteta Carzola and Willshire.
I also think that since Willshire's return we actually look worse, I don't think he and Carzola can play together, and this combined with Wenger's insistance on playing the fucking godawful Ramsey every week, I fear we will continue to struggle against the most mediocre of opposition.

They're 2 points above us but we've had the harder fixture list. We've got the two toughest away fixtures over with and also Liverpool, Stoke and even West Ham are difficult trips, Everton have had a very very kind first ten games and Spurs have had a pretty decent fixture list too in comparison.

Look saying we'll finish 4th isn't some huge vote of confidence in Wenger, some people seem to think unless you say Arsenal will be playing League One football in two seasons time you must be a huge AKB. Fact is that we've finished top 4 since God knows when and the competitors for that place this year are poorer than in the past.

Spurs are in the same boat as us (painful to say) in that they lack bottle, can't defend and have even less quality than we do throughout their team. Everton are a decent side with a good manager but based on history I'm not going to back them to finish above us over 38 games.

[g88ner]

I also think that since Willshire's return we actually look worse, I don't think he and Carzola can play together

To be fair, Wilshere has only been back for 2 games - before which he was out for 14-15 months. You need to give him time, mate.

Anyway, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to play with Cazorla. Quality players find a way; especially when they're as versatile as those 2. It's hardly a Gerrard/Lampard situation.

Maybe that's exactly what it is, and if you are suggesting that Gerrard and Lampard aren't quality players, then as much as I despise both of them, Willshire and Carzola have a long way to go to achieve the consistency of performance in the prem league as those 2.

Erm, no - that's no what I meant at all.

I think Wilshere and Cazorla are far more comfortable in possession and more versatile than Lampard and Gerrard, that's all. England spent a decade trying to shoehorn those 2 into our midfield, and it always looked awkward.

Cazorla and Wilshere are very different. They're both pass and move players, who can play centrally or wide, and are comfortable moving around the pitch. I just can't see a major reason why they can't play in the same team, and equally I saw no reason why Cesc and Wilshere couldn't play together. In fact, they were very good together.

I'd imagine Wilshere will continue to play centre mid and Cazorla play further forward or even on the wing (which he's comfortable doing), so again - I can't see an issue.

[begeegs]

They're 2 points above us but we've had the harder fixture list. We've got the two toughest away fixtures over with and also Liverpool, Stoke and even West Ham are difficult trips, Everton have had a very very kind first ten games and Spurs have had a pretty decent fixture list too in comparison.

Look saying we'll finish 4th isn't some huge vote of confidence in Wenger, some people seem to think unless you say Arsenal will be playing League One football in two seasons time you must be a huge AKB. Fact is that we've finished top 4 since God knows when and the competitors for that place this year are poorer than in the past.

Spurs are in the same boat as us (painful to say) in that they lack bottle, can't defend and have even less quality than we do throughout their team. Everton are a decent side with a good manager but based on history I'm not going to back them to finish above us over 38 games.

To be honest, to say that we have got the toughest fixture list out of the way is assuming that we have games which are easy wins. With Arsenal nowadays, that is no guarantee. We could barely muster up anything of note against the likes of QPR and Norwich and I fully expect to lose against Schalke as well.

I look at the team last year and we had RVP to pull us out of the shit. This year, we don't have that. So I am wondering where the goals are going to come from because at the moment, I can't see anyone scoring them.

This year out of any year in the past, Wenger has bollixed it completely. He should have sold Walcott and kept RVP through his final year because now his tactics are not suited for the players that we have.

I can see us finishing around 8th or so. I don't see a top four finish without someone scoring goals and I don't know who will get them.

[LDB]

Yes, after two games Cazorla and Wilshere cannot play together

Neither one played well at old toilet but the QPR game they were let down by a lack of options ahead of them rather then by them not working together.

The reason Gerrard/Lumplard never worked was because neither would or perhaps could play a simple, disciplined but quick passing game. England managers have generally favoured playing two centre forwards which made lumpard/gerrard unworkable unless you pushed one of them wide like Capello did.

[SteveO 35]

Can we have a little mini prediction i.e. the next time we'll hear the song "There's Only One Arsene Wenger". About 75 mins into the Fulham game I reckon when we go 1-0 up with a penalty

[northbank123]

They're 2 points above us but we've had the harder fixture list. We've got the two toughest away fixtures over with and also Liverpool, Stoke and even West Ham are difficult trips, Everton have had a very very kind first ten games and Spurs have had a pretty decent fixture list too in comparison.

Look saying we'll finish 4th isn't some huge vote of confidence in Wenger, some people seem to think unless you say Arsenal will be playing League One football in two seasons time you must be a huge AKB. Fact is that we've finished top 4 since God knows when and the competitors for that place this year are poorer than in the past.

Spurs are in the same boat as us (painful to say) in that they lack bottle, can't defend and have even less quality than we do throughout their team. Everton are a decent side with a good manager but based on history I'm not going to back them to finish above us over 38 games.

To be honest, to say that we have got the toughest fixture list out of the way is assuming that we have games which are easy wins. With Arsenal nowadays, that is no guarantee. We could barely muster up anything of note against the likes of QPR and Norwich and I fully expect to lose against Schalke as well.

I look at the team last year and we had RVP to pull us out of the shit. This year, we don't have that. So I am wondering where the goals are going to come from because at the moment, I can't see anyone scoring them.

This year out of any year in the past, Wenger has bollixed it completely. He should have sold Walcott and kept RVP through his final year because now his tactics are not suited for the players that we have.

I can see us finishing around 8th or so. I don't see a top four finish without someone scoring goals and I don't know who will get them.

No chance we'll finish 8th imo, we've been getting shitter for years and this season is just another on the curve of decline. 5th maybe, 6th at an absolute push I could understand but who else is going to finish above us? Spurs have got shitter too so the competition for the virtual trophy is even weaker this year. We managed to score 6 against Southampton with Forehead Wanker as our lone striker... that speaks volumes about the quality of league we play in. van Staplecunt carried us so often last year but we were 18 points ahead of 8th last year, that's a fucking huge margin to drop and we didn't have Cazorla or Wilshere last year.

[Herd]

The shameless Hypocrisy of Wenger in his slamming of Santos has me reeling .
Did not Wenger have a little laugh chat n Hug with the now reviled Van Persie ............at Half time ?
Je ne compren pas Chef ?
Players should be told very firmly that they should not consort with the enemy before a game ,end of .
If Roy Keane and Pat Vierra were in attendance they would have clumped their colleagues and told them whats what.
We haven't had a skipper since Pat left !

As the great John Lydon famously said ,"Ever got the feeling you've been cheated ?" Actually it's worse ,Arsenal make me feel like an old aunty just died !

[flash gunner]

The shameless Hypocrisy of Wenger in his slamming of Santos has me reeling .
Did not Wenger have a little laugh chat n Hug with the now reviled Van Persie ............at Half time ?
Je ne compren pas Chef ?
Players should be told very firmly that they should not consort with the enemy before a game ,end of .
If Roy Keane and Pat Vierra were in attendance they would have clumped their colleagues and told them whats what.
We haven't had a skipper since Pat left !

As the great John Lydon famously said ,"Ever got the feeling you've been cheated ?" Actually it's worse ,Arsenal make me feel like an old aunty just died !

Agreed Herd with it all

[Bradywasking]

Wenger's reaction is only a reaction to a bigger reaction. I'm not convinced he saw too much wrong with it at the time.. The media have got it wrong by describing it as a shirt swap...Van Persie showed no interest in getting Santos' shirt. Some people think it's blown out of proportion . I don't, it was a signal from an Arsenal player that we are just glad to be on the same pitch as Man Utd and like a non league club in the FA Cup we are happy to get a souvenir of the day.

[Bradywasking]

Can we have a little mini prediction i.e. the next time we'll hear the song "There's Only One Arsene Wenger". About 75 mins into the Fulham game I reckon when we go 1-0 up with a penalty

Predicting a 0-0 in that game...maybe run a book on the excuses afterwards...handbrake, out of petrol, tired after Europe, special circumstances or none of those. I don't think we need to score/win for the One Arsene Wenger song anymore.

[DB10GOONER]

Wenger's reaction is only a reaction to a bigger reaction. I'm not convinced he saw too much wrong with it at the time.. The media have got it wrong by describing it as a shirt swap...Van Persie showed no interest in getting Santos' shirt. Some people think it's blown out of proportion . I don't, it was a signal from an Arsenal player that we are just glad to be on the same pitch as Man Utd and like a non league club in the FA Cup we are happy to get a souvenir of the day.

Exactly. Any twat that thinks it's blown out of proportion knows fucking nothing about the game. Santos basically fucking surrendered his second half right there by acting like a fucking fan boy instead of acting like a fucking man. Honestly, it's one of the most disgraceful things I've ever seen. Even fucking Jamie "My Dad" RedKrapp was offended by it!

The more I think about it the angrier I get. At the time I was just gobsmacked and in shock but that was soon replaced by anger and embarrassment. I fucking hated Comedy Eboue (not sure if I've mentioned that on here? ) for his diving, play-acting, cheating, cuntiness - but even that piece of subhuman excrement didn't do anything as fucking wanky as act the fanboy chasing after an oppo player for their jersey AT HALF FUCKING TIME!!!




That's it - I'm cunting him. Fucking kúnt.