THE WENGER THREAD

[northbank123]

The problem is perfectly illustrated by todays round of Premier League games.

We go and blow a 2-0 lead to go 3-2 down before eventually stumble towards a draw. The defense has reverted to type and become an absolute shambles and once again we have shown our lack of bottle (and any plan B).
ODL hails the team as a mentally strong an up for the fight despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Purple noses team find themselves 2-0 down at Villa and in response he makes all out attacking substitutions to try and add more threat up front. One of his substitutes scores a hat trick including the winner from a certain Van Judas ball into the box. The game finishes 2-3 despite the Manure defence being shambolic at best- you can bet the hairdryer was on full blast at Half Time in that game.

Its sad really that all this talk of mental strength just goes to show that we have a real lack of it

Suely the mancs were jaded from playing in Europe in midweek ?

Wenker is a busted flush, something that RVP, Cesc, et al realised and left to further their career rather than sacrifice themselves for however many more years we still have to suffer.

Arsenal men such as Bob Wilson, Frank Mc Lintock, Tony Adams, Wrighty, Merson, Parlour, Stewart Robson have all voiced concerns but still no-one within the club can question Wenker or get him to accept that it has to change.

Any ex-player that criticises Wenger is obviously extremely bitter and self-serving. Never mind that those players have thousands of appearances, decades of dedication and tens of trophies between them, that was mostly before Arsene Wenger founded AFC in 1996 so they don't know shit.

[Deise Gooner]

What i want to know is what happens when Wenger has sat down with the board at the end of the year to discuss how the season went. Quite plainly he is meeting their expectations beacuse if he wasnt he would have been sacked 4 or 5 years ago. You have to question why they are happy to finish 4th every year which means we qualify for a competiton that we no chance of winning, and continue on for another year. It appears both the board and Wenger are happy with the status quo and Stan is more than happy as the value of his shares go up and up. What is the end game for Arsene and the board? We know Wenger gets his 7m a year and if he is happy with finishing 4th every yearband conceding defeat before the season is done then he has no right to manage this club. But the the board in the most part have no shares in the club and are acting in the best intrests of the shareholders i.e. Kroenke who as far as i see it just seems to be waiting to sell his shares for a quick buck in a year or two.

[N1Goon]

After today’s game the interviewer asked Wenger why he didn’t go for Berbatov;

“Well, err, err, we weren’t in for him, err, err we didn’t know he was on the transfer list”

[Goose]

The shameless Hypocrisy of Wenger in his slamming of Santos has me reeling .
Did not Wenger have a little laugh chat n Hug with the now reviled Van Persie ............at Half time ?
Je ne compren pas Chef ?
Players should be told very firmly that they should not consort with the enemy before a game ,end of .
If Roy Keane and Pat Vierra were in attendance they would have clumped their colleagues and told them whats what.
We haven't had a skipper since Pat left !

As the great John Lydon famously said ,"Ever got the feeling you've been cheated ?" Actually it's worse ,Arsenal make me feel like an old aunty just died !

I've felt cheated for years now. To be honest the game is secondary for me know. I just keep going because its a chance to share a beer with my dad, brothers and mates. The fun tends to stop as soon as I leave the pub and make my way to the game

[nut flush gooner]

The thing that gets my goat is there's a lot of whinging going on in this thread and on internet mb's in general. If you don't like it do something fucking about it. Don't be a passive fan sitting here moaning game after game.

The reason I joined this mb is that its afiliated with the best arsenal fanzine and I can see there are a lot of fans that go to the emirates week in week out. Finally, after being in denial about Wenger for a while, as far as I am concerned his position is untenable. It's soo sad that a once great man has made us the laughing stock of the prem alongside liverfool.

What I won't accept though is a period of instability, I want the club to groom Wengers successor, and that means allowing Wenger to go upstairs and a new man to come in and sort the team out(DB10 please!). Gazidis can fuck off.

Going back to my original point, seriously you can talk all the bollocks you like but if you aren't at the protest on 1 December then quite frankly what right have you got to ask for Wenger to be sacked?(and I know the emphasis is on changes at board level but that's wrong imo) And if your in singapore, toronto or NYC and are calling for the same thing you can fuck off too.

Last time there was a protest, 200 fans turned up, if the same thing happens this time how can the fans that want change expect the board to do anything but turn a blind eye.

[goonersid]

It was the spuds fixture last season that arguably saved our season and won back many doubters. This time however I think it will be the defining game in ending our hopes for a fourth placed finish.
I just don't see how wenger will turn it around, he seems more blind than ever with zonal marking and players such as Ramsey.
Next week will see the return of Willshire into a midfield where Wenger seems clueless as to how to accomodate him, thus rendering it even more ineffective than it already is, as we have already witnessed against QPR nad Utd.
I really think the game is up for Wenger and he is playing out his last hand with this terrible Arsenal team, admittedly he will no doubt drag it out til the death, and we will be the biggest losers as we finish 7th or 8th in the table.
You can argue all you like that Everton L'pool and the Spuds are weaker than us, and on paper that might be true, but few could deny that any team in the premier league has a manager so bereft of ideas and lacking leadership than Arsenal.

[highburyJD]

It's a pity I can't agree with so many of the BSMs (IMO) incoherent aims
change at Arsenal is incontrovertibly needed
Berbatov, the best player on the pitch, would hugely improve us, Sperz, Everton, Liverpool and
most of all, Chelski. I guess ManUre must have blocked him moving to a rival.

To me its been obvious for a while we need a substantial winter investment
we clearly needed in the summer a backup keeper and a forward
now the situation is worse,
Santos has established he hasn't got what he takes
(somebody seemed to imply in an earlier post I'd offered him forgiveness, I haven't)
but more importantly he's not good enough on the pitch

[goonersid]

It's a pity I can't agree with so many of the BSMs (IMO) incoherent aims
change at Arsenal is incontrovertibly needed
Berbatov, the best player on the pitch, would hugely improve us, Sperz, Everton, Liverpool and
most of all, Chelski. I guess ManUre must have blocked him moving to a rival.

To me its been obvious for a while we need a substantial winter investment
we clearly needed in the summer a backup keeper and a forward
now the situation is worse,
Santos has established he hasn't got what he takes
(somebody seemed to imply in an earlier post I'd offered him forgiveness, I haven't)
but more importantly he's not good enough on the pitch

No criticism of the ochestrator of this fucking mess JD?

[highburyJD]

Julio Cesar, Berbatov and Baines may not all have been gettable
but that's the sort of players I would like to see
We need Arteta and Mertesacker level signings with no Park in the mix
and we need the at the start of the window not the end

[Bradywasking]

After today’s game the interviewer asked Wenger why he didn’t go for Berbatov;

“Well, err, err, we weren’t in for him, err, err we didn’t know he was on the transfer list”

Glad you posted that because I thought I was hearing things. I knew Berbatov would leave United this Summer window , not because I am a football genius but because I read it in the papers and because Manchester United had bought Robin Van Persie so that would push Berbatov down to fifth choice striker.
Here's a thought though...maybe just maybe Sir Rednose would rather keep a player like Berbatov than sell him to a perceived rival . That thinking would never catch on at our club.
Also love the "cultural difference" comment as the excuse for Podolski's poor form. New excuse used twice in a week.

[shu]

Will someone please tell me what our record is over the last 20 league games please ???? (10 this season and 10 last) , the situation will only start to change when the fans at a away match turn on him , it gets reported in the press ,we hear it on the tv , the ball starts rolling

How many managers of a top club would keep selling their best players ? Why ??? And how the he'll did we sell our best goal scorer to man utd '!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Treason

[highburyJD]

It's a pity I can't agree with so many of the BSMs (IMO) incoherent aims
change at Arsenal is incontrovertibly needed
Berbatov, the best player on the pitch, would hugely improve us, Sperz, Everton, Liverpool and
most of all, Chelski. I guess ManUre must have blocked him moving to a rival.

To me its been obvious for a while we need a substantial winter investment
we clearly needed in the summer a backup keeper and a forward
now the situation is worse,
Santos has established he hasn't got what he takes
(somebody seemed to imply in an earlier post I'd offered him forgiveness, I haven't)
but more importantly he's not good enough on the pitch

No criticism of the ochestrator of this fucking mess JD?

The manager assembles the squad, anyone defending sales can be cast an apologist,
but our financial situation doesn't force any purchases - we needed another striker when we bought the pointless Park
we still do. Santos has failed so we need an addition there. I'm against changing builders mid project or managers mid season. This transfer window Wenger needs to rectify mistakes of his own making. Tets, BFG and Giroud were all good signings. Park and Santos were terrible ones. If you sell so much you rebuild every other season you need to have greater consistency in the transfer market. Tough job, he's well paid for doing it, big winter.

[northbank123]

The only way we'll sign anybody useful in January is if we're well off the 4th-placed title race. The only reason we splashed out on Arshavin in 2009 was because Villa were better than us. This is in line with:

1) Kroenke's general policy of only allowing investment in his 'franchises' to get them to a commercially-successful level (i.e. CL), and
2) Arsenal's general policy of acting far far too late to obvious deficiencies.

[highburyJD]

Villa weren't even close, as I said at the time
much bigger issue this year

[SteveO 35]

I haven't heard anything more about the contract extension? When is that good news going to come through. Surely we're not going to let the Coach of the Decade get to his last 12 months and walk away at which point the sun will fall from the sky and life on earth will come to an end