THE WENGER THREAD

[N1Goon]

Would give my left bollock for Moyes as our gaffer. He would get rid of this French brat attitude we have at the club and instill some steel into our team. I don't care if we go back to a 4-4-2, stop playing tippy tappy football anymore, I just want our players to give a f*ck and play for the shirt and Moyes can do that. I wish Wilshere,Ox, Corporal Jenkinson and Gibbs were being nurtured by Moyes and not Wenger.

Arteta you have made a terrible career move, mate. You have left a club and fans that genuinely love you to join a shell of a football club that all speak French just to lose in the CL quarter final.


MOYES, DEIN AND USMANOV 2014

[Metalheadz Gooner]

Would give my left bollock for Moyes as our gaffer. He would get rid of this French brat attitude we have at the club and instill some steel into our team. I don't care if we go back to a 4-4-2, stop playing tippy tappy football anymore, I just want our players to give a f*ck and play for the shirt and Moyes can do that.


I wish Wilshere,Ox, Corporal Jenkinson and Gibbs were being nurtured by Moyes and not Wenger.

Moyes is my preferred choice. You'd hope he'd get them playing with more with passion and commitment as a minimum requirement then develop a new attacking style for this team.

[N1Goon]

Dein is good mates with the Everton Chairman, he frequently is in the Directors Box at Goodison Park. I wonder if Dein has Moyes for Arsenal in his plans too.

[ThomasMitchell]

Whilst I want to see an injection of new players into this dismal squad in January, can we really trust Wenger to get the right players? His record of late has been appalling. We will get more Gervinho's, more Santos' and more Park's. Wenger is totally finished as a manager. He can't motivate the players he has and he can't buy the right players to make us better. And on the odd occasion when he does get it right (usually many years after it is needed) he somehow turns great players into good players and good players into average players. Of course we all know what will actually happen in January - precisely nothing. Instead we will be told that Walcott staying is the biggest signing of the transfer window and that the most important thing was to keep the players we have. Nothing changes except the continual demise of this great Club under this dreadful, clueless and pig-headed manager.

[franksav63]

The thing that gets my goat is there's a lot of whinging going on in this thread and on internet mb's in general. If you don't like it do something fucking about it. Don't be a passive fan sitting here moaning game after game.

The reason I joined this mb is that its afiliated with the best arsenal fanzine and I can see there are a lot of fans that go to the emirates week in week out. Finally, after being in denial about Wenger for a while, as far as I am concerned his position is untenable. It's soo sad that a once great man has made us the laughing stock of the prem alongside liverfool.

What I won't accept though is a period of instability, I want the club to groom Wengers successor, and that means allowing Wenger to go upstairs and a new man to come in and sort the team out(DB10 please!). Gazidis can fuck off.

Going back to my original point, seriously you can talk all the bollocks you like but if you aren't at the protest on 1 December then quite frankly what right have you got to ask for Wenger to be sacked?(and I know the emphasis is on changes at board level but that's wrong imo) And if your in singapore, toronto or NYC and are calling for the same thing you can fuck off too.

Last time there was a protest, 200 fans turned up, if the same thing happens this time how can the fans that want change expect the board to do anything but turn a blind eye.

Please, please, PLEASE none of this putting Wenger upstairs bollocks, he should be totally removed from the club, and take his wanky backroom staff and shit scouting system with him.

[SteveO 35]

I agree with Frank - when Wenger goes it has to be out, out, out. Given that he is dragging down the standards of the team beyond belief and overseeing some of the most boring, one-paced, losing, uninspiring football witnessed since 1994/95, why on earth would anyone want a new bloke to be 'groomed' by Wenger?

When he does go, around 2017 or so, the club needs to make a completely fresh start. No "Technical Director", "Director of Football" bollocks.

The only role Wenger should stick around for is the Finance Director job because he certainly seems more interested in that than he does overseeing any form of progression on the football side

[TeeCee]

Wenger should be given a new position at the club......................serving shitty slices of greasy pizza from one of the overpriced outlets around the ground....that's his level and I truly believe even he could just about 'manage' that!!

[SteveO 35]

Wenger should be given a new position at the club......................serving shitty slices of greasy pizza from one of the overpriced outlets around the ground....that's his level and I truly believe even he could just about 'manage' that!!

The pizza almost certainly wouldn't be authentic Italian though - more of a pizza substitute made with ingredients from the north of Africa

[franksav63]

Wenger should be given a new position at the club......................serving shitty slices of greasy pizza from one of the overpriced outlets around the ground....that's his level and I truly believe even he could just about 'manage' that!!

Hmmm, can you just imagine the sales of pizza going down the pan, with Wenger wiping his snotty hooter with the back of his hand before he hands one of the delights over...

[OneBardGooner]

Wenger should be given a new position at the club......................serving shitty slices of greasy pizza from one of the overpriced outlets around the ground....that's his level and I truly believe even he could just about 'manage' that!!

Hmmm, can you just imagine the sales of pizza going down the pan, with Wenger wiping his snotty hooter with the back of his hand before he hands one of the delights over...

Thing is frank all the AKB's would love that - I mean they've been gobbling down his snot and shyte for gawd knows how long...and they'd probably pay extra!

[northbank123]

I agree with Frank - when Wenger goes it has to be out, out, out. Given that he is dragging down the standards of the team beyond belief and overseeing some of the most boring, one-paced, losing, uninspiring football witnessed since 1994/95, why on earth would anyone want a new bloke to be 'groomed' by Wenger?

When he does go, around 2017 or so, the club needs to make a completely fresh start. No "Technical Director", "Director of Football" bollocks.

The only role Wenger should stick around for is the Finance Director job because he certainly seems more interested in that than he does overseeing any form of progression on the football side

The idea of him being Finance Director is even scarier somehow. He treats the club's money as if it's his own already, imagine what he'd be like in that capacity. I think the whole place needs a de-Wengerfication when he finally goes. Ban talk of any of his bullshit philosophies and excuses from the training ground etc.

I've always been bemused by people idolising him because he can apparently read a balance sheet. Absurd, who cares if a manager can do that? That's precisely what a Finance Director is for! I wonder if Ferguson will sit down after his career, look at all his achievements and sigh in regret because he doesn't know what player amortisation is?

It compounds it when he comes out with bollocks like how football isn't immune to the global economic climate and will have to adapt and then pays clowns like Djourou £50k a week and charges fans over £100 a ticket to go and watch a Category A game.

[mcdowell42]

I don't like pizza

[Highbury_Born]

I need to say this and go agianst the great majority but it's time for Wenger to go. I'm tired of his stuborn attitude towards transfers and the costant refusal to sort out contracts before the time,for not building on our strongest team. We are always playing catch up replacing players lost and have never truly replaced the defence and midfield of old.

We need change I would love wenger just to get a proper keeper of which we have not had since Seaman. Why does he refuse to buy experience even if it's for a few seasons?

We had the best out of Wenger time for change. Now we need to get a billionare takeover and a new manager. Even if Wenger had the money he would still be getting kids and unknowns. I'm tired of unknowns with potential give me names to get excited about. Not since Bergkamp have a felt that thrill from a signing and excitement that the paying fans deserve.

Thank you Arsene for giving me the best years of Arsenal but it's time for a new beggining. You can only re-build teams a number of times before you start ruining the foundations and I fear that is whats happening to the club we love.

And another shower of shit…Money wasted………….AW constantly renewing the team with misfits.. Poor game play below par now as the Spuds lol.

[highburyJD]

My current favourite players are our best youth prospect in a generation
and three of last summers signings...
OK the current squad is cack but in terms of "recent signings" we've done pretty well
problem is, selling every year, a manager would have to have a perfect signings record...

[franksav63]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ulham.html

Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger insists side can still win Premier League title despite being held by Fulham

The swiftness with which the mood can change at Arsenal is matched by few other teams. At 2-0 up, the Emirates was euphoric. The songs were rolling around the stadium, the fans in the West Stand bathing in the light of a low autumn sun. Then Fulham scored.

Arsene Wenger blamed Arsenal's tough fixture list for their collapse
Too many games: Arsene Wenger blamed Arsenal's tough fixture list for their collapse Photo: AFP
Jonathan Liew

By Jonathan Liew, Emirates Stadium

Five minutes before half-time, they scored again. Then, with around a quarter of the match to go, Dimitar Berbatov converted a penalty to put Fulham 3-2 up. Celebration gave way to consternation. Angst snaked through the plastic seats like a deadening chill. At Arsenal, you see, certain triumph is only one violent lurch from impending disaster.

Arsène Wenger, the Arsenal manager, maintained that his side were still contenders for the Premier League title. He had to.

“Yes, why not?” he said. “It is a concern, because we looked quite solid defensively until now, and today we looked very fragile. I put that down to the fact that at 2-0 up, instead of becoming more aggressive, we became a bit easier, instead of continuing to push forward, to close them down. We let them play, and that was a big problem for us.”

Into Arsenal’s impressive continuity off the pitch has seemingly also been built a permanent anxiety, a culture of excuses that is often belied by results. This time, Wenger blamed the fixture list.

“We had three difficult games this week, especially the first two,” he said. “We had to recover from Manchester United, and then we gave it all at Schalke. Today, we were maybe caught a little bit in a lack of complete urgency when we were 2-0 up.”

The truth is that Arsenal have not looked like genuine title challengers for a good couple of months now. Even their excellent start here was attributable more to Fulham’s defensive lapses than to exceptional penetration. Olivier Giroud headed home Theo Walcott’s corner after giving Aaron Hughes the slip, before Mikel Arteta seized on John Arne Riise’s skewed clearance and slid the ball over for Lukas Podolski to convert.

Meanwhile, the old frailties at the back remained in place. Berbatov and Bryan Ruiz did not take long to discover them. Gone are the days when smaller teams came to the Emirates and celebrated a point. Fulham manager Martin Jol left wanting more.

“We weren’t lucky,” he said. “We showed our quality, and we kept believing in it. We could have won easily.”

Berbatov and Ruiz are fast becoming one of the most effective forward partnerships in the Premier League. In a way, they make an odd couple – quiet and idiosyncratic away from the pitch, not renowned for their ferocious work rate off it – but with the ball at their feet, they are developing a deep, destructive understanding.

Ruiz’s corner was headed home by Berbatov for Fulham’s first goal, while Berbatov’s cross for Alex Kacaniklic created the second. The penalty that put Fulham ahead followed a canny slice of opportunism by Ruiz, robbing Arteta of the ball and then going down under the Spaniard’s challenge.

Neither Ruiz nor Berbatov, Jol argued, deserved their reputation for sloth.

“No, they are not lazy,” he insisted. “Look at the stats of Bryan Ruiz – he covers more ground than any other player. In Holland he had 12 or 14 assists and 24 goals and was, not even arguably, the best player in Holland.

“What do you want? A player without quality who works hard? Or a quality player who hopefully works hard?”

One player who Arsenal hope will emulate Berbatov’s success in the Premier League is Olivier Giroud, who is finally delivering on his potential after an uncertain start. It was his second goal – another headed effort – that dragged Arsenal level just two minutes after going behind. The travails of the £12 million striker could be an analogue for Arsenal’s current troubles.

“When I didn’t score at the beginning of the season, I stayed confident, and I always worked on my mind and my game,” he said.

“It’s a bad run but there is a lot of quality in this team. We will have better days ahead. That’s why we have to show solidarity at this moment, not to say ‘yes, it’s your mistake’. We have to stick together.”

Arteta’s missed penalty, the last kick of the game after the referee, Phil Dowd, felt that Andrei Arshavin’s cross came off Sascha Riether’s arm, might have put an undeserved gloss on Arsenal’s troubles. As it is, the lack of belief is one area that Wenger will want to address over the coming days, as well as the mounting problems at the back. But now most of his squad will disappear for international duty.

“We have no time to train on it, because the players go away, and when you play every three days you cannot practise too much,” he complained.

“At the moment we cannot rotate too much, so it’s not ideal. I would prefer that the team stays here, and prepares our next game.”

Time is not on Wenger’s side at the moment, and in more ways than one.

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I seriously believe that Wenger is ill!!!