An urgent plea to Arsene supporters..

[augie]

I cant add much to DB10's post as he covers it all but all i want to add is in my opinion everyone is welcome here, i can understand a pro-Wenger poster not fancying having to defend his thoughts all the time and choosing a forum more in tune with him but thats probably what makes anti Wenger posters gravitate here.

I think Vinny said about Babatunde and the abuse he gave out to anyone who disagrees with him and i made my feelings clear from the start that Baba should have been banned long before he actually went but still there are posters and long standing ones here that dont think he did anything wrong and people dont get banned easily here. You can see the predicament it leaves when modding this place.

I think the abuse has been reduced (but not totally gone) a lot since the forum relaunch and personally i would welcome any new posters whatever thoughts they have on the club

Again, me being me, I would gravitate towards somewhere that I could debate my points with rather than somewhere that people agree with me - I would have posted on the .con forum a long time ago but I knew that I wouldnt have lasted a week in the place before receiving a banning order. I do wonder some of the pro wenger camp are looking for excuses not to post here anymore - I am guessing that the performances of wenger, the board and the team are making it very very hard for anybody to stand up and defend them anymore and has to all intensive purposes cut the legs out from beneath them. I am sure that in their own minds fans who used to defend all these people are now really starting to question them and we have seen a few examples on here lately of pro wenger supporters beginning to slate him. Does that give me satisfaction ? No it does not and in fact it saddens me a bit tbh that even the "glass half full" fans are losing hope too but the reality is hard to deny and we are quite clearly going backwards.

[flash gunner]

I cant add much to DB10's post as he covers it all but all i want to add is in my opinion everyone is welcome here, i can understand a pro-Wenger poster not fancying having to defend his thoughts all the time and choosing a forum more in tune with him but thats probably what makes anti Wenger posters gravitate here.

I think Vinny said about Babatunde and the abuse he gave out to anyone who disagrees with him and i made my feelings clear from the start that Baba should have been banned long before he actually went but still there are posters and long standing ones here that dont think he did anything wrong and people dont get banned easily here. You can see the predicament it leaves when modding this place.

I think the abuse has been reduced (but not totally gone) a lot since the forum relaunch and personally i would welcome any new posters whatever thoughts they have on the club

Again, me being me, I would gravitate towards somewhere that I could debate my points with rather than somewhere that people agree with me - I would have posted on the .con forum a long time ago but I knew that I wouldnt have lasted a week in the place before receiving a banning order. I do wonder some of the pro wenger camp are looking for excuses not to post here anymore - I am guessing that the performances of wenger, the board and the team are making it very very hard for anybody to stand up and defend them anymore and has to all intensive purposes cut the legs out from beneath them. I am sure that in their own minds fans who used to defend all these people are now really starting to question them and we have seen a few examples on here lately of pro wenger supporters beginning to slate him. Does that give me satisfaction ? No it does not and in fact it saddens me a bit tbh that even the "glass half full" fans are losing hope too but the reality is hard to deny and we are quite clearly going backwards.

Thats you though augie i could imagine being pulled up about the things you believe to be quite wearing after a while which as i said why pro Wenger posters might not post here, just a thought who knows?

[rodders999]

The tone of this forum will always mirror the form of the team. Simple as that. Was it better years ago? Perhaps. We should have won the European Cup in 2006, the league in 2008. We were challengers, a proper, decent side and as a result there was a more positive outlook on the prospects of the club from the majority, myself included.

Today, we are a shambles. A rudderless ship. A manager at least 3 years past his sell by date, a board who treat the support with utter contempt and a team that struggle to get results week in, week out, regardless of the opposition. To come on here and expect the place to be party central is naive in the extreme.

I'm not saying that every thread needs to be a slit your wrists fest but at the moment it is a fairly bleak time to be a gooner and until that changes the mood on here is going to reflect that.

[Eboue-Why?]

There were a couple of reasons why I raised this issue. Firstly, I do genuinely want pro-Wenger fans to come and defend him like they do on the phone-ins. I want to be able to ask them questions without them feeling as though they're being ridiculed. I want to understand why (as Rodders pointed out ) when you say anything against Wenger in the ground, nearly the majority will shout you down. Why do they think that 8 years of success 7 years ago is enough to warrant another contract? I respect Wenger for what he's done for the club and I never have and never will crunt him off because he deserves a bit more respect than that. However, his time is up of that I am 100% certain, but I want to debate why I might be wrong!

Secondly, as most have said, we all know what is gonna be on here after a bad result and of course there should be somewhere to vent your anger but it's the same thing every week and on the Monday morning I still want the pro-Wenger camp to defend their man and maybe just maybe we can slowly show them why they're wrong!

For all of his moaning I still enjoy reading Augie's rants because they're well written. I enjoy Rodders' wit and personal meltdown and Flash is always funny but 'Fuck off Wenger you crunting winker' just isn't called for eveytime a goal is conceded.

The mailbag in The Gooner isn't all doom and gloom, people defend Wenger in the mag so I want them to feel like they can on here too.

[highburyJD]

I'm not saying that every thread needs to be a slit your wrists fest but at the moment it is a fairly bleak time to be a gooner and until that changes the mood on here is going to reflect that.

beat Sperz and all in my garden will be rosy, hazy, drunky and party
oh and good thread - this board would definitely be improved by debate

[SPARKSY]

99% I heard 2 blokes singing for Wenger to resign on Saturday and then left pretty sharpish after the response they got.

I sit in the East Lower and there have been a few times ive shouted for Wenger to Fuck Off somewhere, normally during times that we have giving away leads or lost games we shouldn't and never has anyone said anything to me. Maybe i do look a bit ugly at those times but it does lead me to believe that most agree???????

[highburyJD]

depends where you sit, whether you're home or away
it's funny, I have Islington mates life long fans, who have literally attacked people for criticising the manager
they see doubt in our manager as a crime against the club - and by extension them
anybody who criticises is a clueless nouveau JCL not Islington wanker

I then have other mates - also NorfLondon, also longterm season ticket holders, who think Wenger's time has come

I have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager
but views are mixed, and obviously results driven.
Although we finished 3rd last year, a theoretic improvement, IMO we were worse
surprisingly after losing Cesc we became even MORE dependent on one player
and most importantly - never got close to winning any trophy

lose at home to Sperz and there could be a catastrophic swing towards the WOB
win and many peoples memory of our longterm poor form will become selective
big game

[flash gunner]

dI have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager

Don't know why im bothering but that is just blatently not true JD

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

depends where you sit, whether you're home or away
it's funny, I have Islington mates life long fans, who have literally attacked people for criticising the manager
they see doubt in our manager as a crime against the club - and by extension them
anybody who criticises is a clueless nouveau JCL not Islington wanker

I then have other mates - also NorfLondon, also longterm season ticket holders, who think Wenger's time has come

I have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager
but views are mixed, and obviously results driven.
Although we finished 3rd last year, a theoretic improvement, IMO we were worse
surprisingly after losing Cesc we became even MORE dependent on one player
and most importantly - never got close to winning any trophy

lose at home to Sperz and there could be a catastrophic swing towards the WOB
win and many peoples memory of our longterm poor form will become selective
big game

Sound like right c unts, bet they're selective who they attack too

women and kids probably

[armchair]

The very fact that this thread even exists is more evidence of how Wenger is dividing us and another reason (not that another one is needed) that hd should go.

[DB10GOONER]

dI have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager

Don't know why im bothering but that is just blatently not true JD

Agreed. Absolute bollocks. People are called WUMs if the post obviously WUM type comments to provoke a reaction. It just happensd that alot of those WUM comments have for whatever reason come from a couple of members that were very clearly pro-Wenger. They did their fellow pro-Wengerites no good at all... Red Member was a very good example of this.

[MM99]

The very fact that this thread even exists is more evidence of how Wenger is dividing us and another reason (not that another one is needed) that hd should go.

Take responsibility for your actions and don't blame it on Wenger. Wenger isn't forcing you to throw around insults to anyone that doesn't agree with you. Now I'm not saying you in particular do, but using it as a general point.
As long as football exists there will always be differing opinions and the subject of the manager is no exception. Just because certain posters can't have a reasoned debate doesn't mean that it's somehow Wengers fault.

[DB10GOONER]

Whilst I agree Wenger is the main devisive issue on here, I don't accept that as an excuse for people's behaviour towards fellow Gooners on here. Wenger doesn't make people decide to reply to a post with abuse; the person decides that themself.

[highburyJD]

dI have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager

Don't know why im bothering but that is just blatently not true JD

Promise it is - I know quite a lot of fans who are anti-Wenger, more who still believe in him
never have I heard an anti-Wenger fan claim the 'pros' are simply winding them up
or backing the manager to irritate those who are against him
why would somebody pretend to support a manager..?

and re: the rather OTT WengerKnows fans I know

Sound like right c unts, bet they're selective who they attack too

women and kids probably

never been there when its happened, but heard tell from mates who sit with them
London guys, father and son, I imagine incidents caused by one too many pre-match sherbets
but no, you're wrong
a) they would never pick on 'easy target' people like that. Slightly nuts but not nasty.
b) never thought of this before, but in my experience women and kid Gooners are a particularly pro-Wenger demographic

[highburyJD]

Agreed. Absolute bollocks. People are called WUMs if the post obviously WUM type comments to provoke a reaction. It just happensd that alot of those WUM comments have for whatever reason come from a couple of members that were very clearly pro-Wenger. They did their fellow pro-Wengerites no good at all... Red Member was a very good example of this.

I probably don't understand this post (or possibly my original was unclear)
never, in real life, in many many conversations between Gooners for and against Wenger
have I heard a "Wenger out now" fan not believe that proWenger fans were actually proWenger
I have never heard a single Gooner in real life, claim the views another was espousing were not his own
why would somebody do that?

I believe that Red didn't really have the views he posted,
I thought he was finally banned as a very anti-Wenger poster
does this mean he did his "fellow anti-Wengerites no good at all"? I don't think so
he wasn't representative of any particular group