THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[highburyJD]

so what, the torygraph reports he changed his wiki page to remove offensive and unfounded stuff that murray alleged, so what?

sorry you didn't get a chance to read the article, perhaps the link didn't work
here's what (against wiki policy) was changed:
"a Soviet-era criminal conviction that was later overturned by the Uzbekistan Supreme Court and a description of the disappearance of a former Megafon shareholder, reports the newspaper.
The PR business replaced those sections with text outlining Mr Usmanov's philanthropy and art collection. Mr Usmanov had hired the PR firm to neautralise reports of his colourful past."
It might well be offensive but 'unfounded'?
No, quite the opposite actually. These things are a matter of public record.
If accusations are unfounded you challenge them,
you don't get a PR firm to try and surreptitiously replace them with the work you do fer charidee...

im sure if you had unproven allegations against u and were in the public eye and had a wiki page, you would want them removed too.

these were facts, the only 'unproven' element: that he's a "gangster and racketeer" was an image he aggressively pushed in Uzbekistan in order to terrify business rivals, journalists, police and politicians. Now that he's too big for the Uzbek pond he wants the genie back in the bottle. Within the parameters of crowd source platforms it's easy to change lies about a famous individual for the truth: you don't need to spend millions on PR and law firms

boo hoo what a shame hes so nasty for doing that.

the rich hiring companies to sue anyone who tells the truth about them and replace reality with revisionist lies is a serious freedom of speech issue

i shouldnt have flown off the handle before.

really?
I was worried my cowardly surrenderish Polly ? ? (WTF?) ways had conceded WWII to the Nazi's and the Cold War to the Commies - vorsprung durch glasnost

however its ridiculous to be so anti him based on a personal agenda

still not got to grips with the personal agenda... is it to do with my favourite Upper St restaurant of the 90s?
I really like Trullo now, does that change things?

and axe to grind by craig murray.

could see why Murray would have an axe to grind with Jack Straw and Tony Blair. Can fathom no reason why he would have irrational issues with Jabba?

as long as hes not burning kittens or a mass murderer hes no worse than any other bilionaire football owner out there.

my opinion is that he actually IS the worst. But it's not really the point. I don't want any single person taking our club as a plaything. Especially not a mineral theif oiligarch

i want what is right for arsenal.

yes. That, and the war effort.

Kroenke is completely wrong. usmanov is the only alternative and is 100% prefarable to wiggy in terms of geting the club back amongst the best.

it's not a binary choice. I want a Bundesliga based fan driven model. That said there's no reason whatsoever to believe Usmanov would do anything differently. He could make a serious legal proposal, guaranteeing specific funds available. He never has.
I don't want
a) a single owner
or b) a thieving scumbag
and I would see bankrolled success as tarnished
but quite apart from those issues I don't even believe Jabba would be a white night benefactor

as for tarnishing the repuatation of arsenal, oh come now, we are no longer a class act

speak for yourself... I hope we retain some vestige of former class. It's recoverable at least.
I do agree

the whole badge issue, the spanish shop etc

were embarrassing

likewise im really sure fizman and kroenke are squeaky clean and have no skeletons in the closet.

Kroenke got most of his dosh one of the most old fashioned way - married it. Not too dishonourable. Danny boy dealt diamonds - skeletontastic. If there was something easy our gutter press would have dug it up by now. But its hardly a field famed for corinthian spirit and fair play...?

on a slight tangent

Just because I don't have a season ticket does that make me any less of a fan? Just because I and probably many can only go to a handful of games a year does that make me any less of a fan?

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path
but surely attending is a factor? Or can we extrapolate out forever..?
"Just because I don't know who any of the players are and have never watched a whole game on TV... does that make me less of a fan?" gets laughed out of court - there must be a sliding scale here
of course this

Does that also make our views on the club invalid? No! It doesn't.

is mostly true.
and I can prove it - I can tick off a million super fan credentials.
And my view was Wenger and the players basically couldn't lose v Norwich no matter what..
There were old blokes behind me at Highbury who seemingly had sat there since before the war (they had virtually worked at Dial Square)and they didn't even agree with themselves from the season before

[DB10GOONER]

[arseofacrow]

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Just because I don't have a season ticket does that make me any less of a fan? Just because I and probably many can only go to a handful of games a year does that make me any less of a fan?

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path
but surely attending is a factor?

Then I (and many Arsenal fans) blame the economy and the current board for being unable to afford a season ticket/regular tickets. Given the financial capability I have no doubt I would be there every home game and most away games but I don't have the capital to fund it.

[DB10GOONER]

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path

That's a fucking first!

[northbank123]

Just because I don't have a season ticket does that make me any less of a fan? Just because I and probably many can only go to a handful of games a year does that make me any less of a fan?

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path
but surely attending is a factor?

Then I (and many Arsenal fans) blame the economy and the current board for being unable to afford a season ticket/regular tickets. Given the financial capability I have no doubt I would be there every home game and most away games but I don't have the capital to fund it.

Wenger is the one who has often said that football isn't immune from the recession and will have to change its ways, while the club has asked the fans who are actually suffering in the current climate to hand over absolutely ridiculous amounts of money for a single ticket to a Cat A game.

[highburyJD]

Being lucky enough to have enough dosh for theArsenal to rob you, of course does not make you a bigger fan
I do think living in Islington and going home and away gives you a different perspective though

[highburyJD]

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path

That's a fucking first!

I can make an exception for DB10
I must be a bigger fan than him (he is another one of the midgets no?)

[the playing mantis]

ok with my new found quoting ability

so what, the torygraph reports he changed his wiki page to remove offensive and unfounded stuff that murray alleged, so what?

sorry you didn't get a chance to read the article, perhaps the link didn't work
here's what (against wiki policy) was changed:
"a Soviet-era criminal conviction that was later overturned by the Uzbekistan Supreme Court and a description of the disappearance of a former Megafon shareholder, reports the newspaper.
The PR business replaced those sections with text outlining Mr Usmanov's philanthropy and art collection. Mr Usmanov had hired the PR firm to neautralise reports of his colourful past."
It might well be offensive but 'unfounded'?
No, quite the opposite actually. These things are a matter of public record.
If accusations are unfounded you challenge them,
you don't get a PR firm to try and surreptitiously replace them with the work you do fer charidee...

he did challenge them, they were overturned in the supreme courst of uzbeki....

im sure if you had unproven allegations against u and were in the public eye and had a wiki page, you would want them removed too.

these were facts, the only 'unproven' element: that he's a "gangster and racketeer" was an image he aggressively pushed in Uzbekistan in order to terrify business rivals, journalists, police and politicians. Now that he's too big for the Uzbek pond he wants the genie back in the bottle. Within the parameters of crowd source platforms it's easy to change lies about a famous individual for the truth: you don't need to spend millions on PR and law firms

again says who? he has been cleared in a court of law of any wrongdoings.

boo hoo what a shame hes so nasty for doing that.

the rich hiring companies to sue anyone who tells the truth about them and replace reality with revisionist lies is a serious freedom of speech issue

i shouldnt have flown off the handle before.

really?
I was worried my cowardly surrenderish Polly ? ? (WTF?) ways had conceded WWII to the Nazi's and the Cold War to the Commies - vorsprung durch glasnost

polly toynbee, from your fave rag?!? (ie a middle class hates the right, yet feeds at the trough of the right in life, kids at public school, money through finance etc etc

however its ridiculous to be so anti him based on a personal agenda

still not got to grips with the personal agenda... is it to do with my favourite Upper St restaurant of the 90s?
I really like Trullo now, does that change things?

murrays agenda not yours

and axe to grind by craig murray.

could see why Murray would have an axe to grind with Jack Straw and Tony Blair. Can fathom no reason why he would have irrational issues with Jabba?

i think it slightly naive to think the former ambassabor of uzbeki has had no run ins with the most prominent business man and political mover in that nation.

as long as hes not burning kittens or a mass murderer hes no worse than any other bilionaire football owner out there.

my opinion is that he actually IS the worst. But it's not really the point. I don't want any single person taking our club as a plaything. Especially not a mineral theif oiligarch

i want what is right for arsenal.

yes. That, and the war effort.

Kroenke is completely wrong. usmanov is the only alternative and is 100% prefarable to wiggy in terms of geting the club back amongst the best.

it's not a binary choice. I want a Bundesliga based fan driven model. That said there's no reason whatsoever to believe Usmanov would do anything differently. He could make a serious legal proposal, guaranteeing specific funds available. He never has.
I don't want
a) a single owner
or b) a thieving scumbag
and I would see bankrolled success as tarnished
but quite apart from those issues I don't even believe Jabba would be a white night benefactor

in reality though there are only 2 choices currently. bundeslig model is a pipe dream, we all know it will never happen, there are far too many megarich after an investment/plaything/status symbol. whys he a mineral theif, hes a very clever businessman in the same way oligarchs are, slightly dodgy yes, just as any of his sort are

as for tarnishing the repuatation of arsenal, oh come now, we are no longer a class act

speak for yourself... I hope we retain some vestige of former class. It's recoverable at least.
I do agree

the whole badge issue, the spanish shop etc

were embarrassing

likewise im really sure fizman and kroenke are squeaky clean and have no skeletons in the closet.

Kroenke got most of his dosh one of the most old fashioned way - married it. Not too dishonourable. Danny boy dealt diamonds - skeletontastic. If there was something easy our gutter press would have dug it up by now. But its hardly a field famed for corinthian spirit and fair play...?

look at the ethics of walmart etc, again you are naive if you think there are no skeletons in the diamond dealing world, its dodgy as fuck, with all sorts of back door agreements and crap going on, not to mention the sources of most of the stuff these guys 'deal'

on a slight tangent

Just because I don't have a season ticket does that make me any less of a fan? Just because I and probably many can only go to a handful of games a year does that make me any less of a fan?

loath to go down the 'who's a bigger fan' path
but surely attending is a factor? Or can we extrapolate out forever..?
"Just because I don't know who any of the players are and have never watched a whole game on TV... does that make me less of a fan?" gets laughed out of court - there must be a sliding scale here
of course this

Does that also make our views on the club invalid? No! It doesn't.

is mostly true.
and I can prove it - I can tick off a million super fan credentials.
And my view was Wenger and the players basically couldn't lose v Norwich no matter what..
There were old blokes behind me at Highbury who seemingly had sat there since before the war (they had virtually worked at Dial Square)and they didn't even agree with themselves from the season before

[swimmer1]

Here we go again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

[_James_]

In theory they are right, we should be able to earn more money in future, whether this will make Arsenal competitive again is a different question.

There was an article in this weeks Sports Illustrated magazine about Kroenke, interesting read but doesn't say anything new.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Here we go again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

[augie]

Here we go again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

I would love to throw this smarmy american c**t into the middle of the rebel stronghold in afghanistan with an american flag drapped all over him

[swimmer1]

In theory they are right, we should be able to earn more money in future, whether this will make Arsenal competitive again is a different question.

There was an article in this weeks Sports Illustrated magazine about Kroenke, interesting read but doesn't say anything new.

Maybe so but we will be out of the champions league by then so we will be out of pocket by 20 mill

[QuartzGooner]

Here we go again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

I would love to throw this smarmy american c**t into the middle of the rebel stronghold in afghanistan with an american flag drapped all over him

No need for the nationalism Augie.
Besides, he was born in Johannesburg and moved to England aged four.