German fans begin silent protests

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German fans begin silent protests

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Dear Gooners,
as it is the case with former topics regarding the issues fans, stadium, etc. I would like you to be aware of the campain and to spread the word.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... ts?cc=5739

We had a match day yesteday in the second and first division and there was no support what so ever for the first 12 minutes and 12 seconds. SKY and other TV channels have been shocked and said it was kind of surreal.
Today is another game day in the first and second division and it will continue. Also next weekend. Saturday is the top game Bayern Munich against Borussia Dortmund (18:30 german time, 5:30 PM UK) and there will be no support for the first 12 minutes and 12 seconds, so don't be irritaded in case you are going to watch it :wink:

Thanks for your support!
Cheers,
Thomas

P.S.: The key topics of the DFL paper called 'Safe Stadium Experience' are:
1. The away tickets should be cut to half
2. Over all body check control before entering the stadium
3. No standing longer allowed
and more...
Unfortunately the campaign side is only available in German
http://www.12doppelpunkt12.de/

but in this match report you find more background information:
http://www.schwatzgelb.de/2012_11_28_ma ... nutes.html
Scaring 12 minutes
Because of a new safety concept the DFL (German Football League) wants to adopt at December twelfth, supporters of many Bundesliga clubs decided to show their rejection of the concept by stopping the support for the first twelve minutes and twelve seconds of the matches starting at day 14. Divided by colors but connected by ideas, the supporters of Borussia Dortmund and Fortuna Düsseldorf stood on the terraces in silence, creating an atmosphere no football supporter would like to see in the future. It was a very scaring and awkward feeling, knowing that normally the Südtribüne would go crazy starting with the whistle. You could only hear some voices talking on the stands, comparable to the atmosphere you have in a big mall or something like that. The commentators of the Bundesliga matches reacted in a nice way, explaining the reasons of the protest campaign and pointing out the big importance of having atmosphere in a football stadium. Wolff Fuss, who commentated the match between BVB and Fortuna on Pay-TV, said that the match got a whole different quality when the protest was over. Needless to say, the whole stadium exploded in the 13th minute and the Südtribüne as well as the supporters from Düsseldorf really created a great atmosphere. From the point of view of the campaign, the protest during this match was a clear success. The fans do not agree with the concept since it says that the amount of tickets supporters from the away team get could be halved and full body investigations could be made possible. Furthermore, the concept does not really claim that standing terraces should be kept in Germany. Therefore, the protest is very important for the whole fan culture in Germany and we could only hope that our voices – or in this case, our silence – will be heard.


and also in this pre-match report
http://www.schwatzgelb.de/2012_11_27-wa ... rtuna.html
The silent protest is part of a nationwide action from German football supporters, unwilling to accept measures written down in a DFL paper, cynically called Safe Stadium Experience. “We knew we had to stand up against the association and politics – together,” The Unity man Olli told schwatzgelb.de. “Fact is: DFL has taken things too far with this paper.”

After Bundesliga clubs had protested against the paper, it had been adjusted earlier this month but when the draft is put to vote on December 12th reduced away tickets as well as full body searches for away fans are looming over German football fans- All the while, putting football fans under general suspicion. The action is coordinated by several German fan groups and will go on until December 12th, when the draft is put to vote.

“A boycott during a home match means we are entering unknown territory,” Oli explained. We all remember the boycott in Gelsenkirchen and several boycotts in Hamburg, all directed against the price hike in German football. But this time it seems to be even more urgent with the topic not being price hikes but the future of German fan culture and a looming abolishment of safe standing, which has still not been ruled out by German FA officials. “I repeat: To not support your team hurts, no doubt about it,” Oli explained. “But I want to be able to support my team in the upcoming seasons, be it in the Westfalenstadion or away.”

“We have informed the players,” Oli went on. “We spoke to several players, who said they understood us and asked us to support us even louder after those 12 minutes.” One of the players informed was Sebastian Kehl.

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We are a step ahead of you there, mate - alot of our fuckers don't sing for 90 minutes! :banghead: :shock:


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DB10GOONER wrote:We are a step ahead of you there, mate - alot of our fuckers don't sing for 90 minutes! :banghead: :shock:


:-P :wink:
Aaaah! Yes, but they DO send texts on their mobiles to grass the 'singers' up...they buy fish & chips @ £12-90p...they buy piss poor water that masquerades as 'beer', they take lots of poiccies of the stadium with their camera's & mobile phones...Oh! and they pay through the fecking nose!....yup! what the club refer to as real supporters!.. every last one of the *word censored* !

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Tomáš wrote:
P.S.: The key topics of the DFL paper called 'Safe Stadium Experience' are:
1. The away tickets should be cut to half
2. Over all body check control before entering the stadium
3. No standing longer allowed
and more...
Unfortunately the campaign side is only available in German
http://www.12doppelpunkt12.de/

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Tomas,

Not familiar with the wonderfully named Doppelpunkt or any such site but I can tell you that what my esteemed colleagues have said is correct - there is almost silence for the whole 90 minutes at Arsenal!

If the away tickets are cut in half, that is good because people like DB10Gooner and BrazilianGooner are effectively "cut in half" anyway.

An all over body check is great!
Hashkads will queue up many times to get free frottage, which usually costs him £20 in an alleyway off Old Compton Street.

No standing? There is not standing here anyway.

But good luck!

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If it's a 'silent protest' then how are we supposed to 'spread the word'? :? :rubchin: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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:-P

LOVE the replies so far :mrgreen: keep em coming :lol: :!:

Just opening my second can of beer :dancingbanana:

:cheers:

Thomas

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Tomáš wrote:
Just opening my second can of beer :dancingbanana:

:cheers:

Thomas
hope it didn't make too much noise mate :wink:

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I hope the protest works, German football is by far the best footballing experience of the top 5 European leagues, I expect 'elf n safety will kill it off eventually though

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Tomáš wrote:
P.S.: The key topics of the DFL paper called 'Safe Stadium Experience' are:
1. The away tickets should be cut to half
2. Over all body check control before entering the stadium
3. No standing longer allowed
and more...
Unfortunately the campaign side is only available in German
http://www.12doppelpunkt12.de/

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Tomas,

Not familiar with the wonderfully named Doppelpunkt or any such site but I can tell you that what my esteemed colleagues have said is correct - there is almost silence for the whole 90 minutes at Arsenal!

If the away tickets are cut in half, that is good because people like DB10Gooner and BrazilianGooner are effectively "cut in half" anyway.

An all over body check is great!
Hashkads will queue up many times to get free frottage, which usually costs him £20 in an alleyway off Old Compton Street.

No standing? There is not standing here anyway.

But good luck!
:lol: :lol: :lol: very good.

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Tomáš wrote:
P.S.: The key topics of the DFL paper called 'Safe Stadium Experience' are:
1. The away tickets should be cut to half
2. Over all body check control before entering the stadium
3. No standing longer allowed
and more...
Unfortunately the campaign side is only available in German
http://www.12doppelpunkt12.de/

[/i]
Tomas,

Not familiar with the wonderfully named Doppelpunkt or any such site but I can tell you that what my esteemed colleagues have said is correct - there is almost silence for the whole 90 minutes at Arsenal!

If the away tickets are cut in half, that is good because people like DB10Gooner and BrazilianGooner are effectively "cut in half" anyway.

An all over body check is great!
Hashkads will queue up many times to get free frottage, which usually costs him £20 in an alleyway off Old Compton Street.

No standing? There is not standing here anyway.

But good luck!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

But seriously, haven't you got a couple of threads to fuck up somewhere? :rubchin:

:lol: :wink:

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Tomáš wrote:Saturday is the top game Bayern Munich against Borussia Dortmund (18:30 german time, 5:30 PM UK) and there will be no support for the first 12 minutes and 12 seconds, so don't be irritaded in case you are going to watch it :wink:
FAIL :oops: :lol:

It's a full house and plenty of noise! :lol:

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Tomas, sorry to hear that these new laws were accepted today! One step closer towards English "atmosphere" in Germany :(

What will happen now? 90 minutes silent protest? Boycotts?

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Dan_85 wrote:Tomas, sorry to hear that these new laws were accepted today! One step closer towards English "atmosphere" in Germany :(

What will happen now? 90 minutes silent protest? Boycotts?
To begin such sort of protest was okay with me - the media really picked up on it and still does... As for the form of the protest, it was quite clear from the beginning that no politician or DFL/Club-representative really cares for silence inside the grounds as long as you pay for your ticket.

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Have to say German football fans are fucking brilliant. They don't take the shit the rest of us do. 8)

Fair play, lads - and best of luck. I hope the powers that be don't sanitise and kill your game the way they have the PL.

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