BSM March before Swansea

[georgeknows89]

Quartz,

If everyone , including you ( and me) want Kroenke out , then it can only be pursued on the basis of a suitable alternative, and unless a Chinese or Brazilian or Emirates type billionaire rides in on his horse with a big suitcase of cash and makes a mad offer to try and buy both out then the only plan B is to try and get KKE out by selling to Usmanov so he needs to be backed if only by default.

I do know that they believe that in the absence of them buying shares the share price would soften considerably and they will not overpay and are reluctantly prepared to wait and hope that KKE tries to or needs to cash in because the shares are not worth say £20k each to try and blow Stan away.

No different to money that seeps out to agents etc they see it that wasting £200m to give a mega profit to Stan is £200m they rather give the club than him .

I can speak to his team, not for them, so am not going to get drawn into minute detail and say things to try and impress or give bullshit, but will repeat the general theme of some of the things said and done and can only also go on gut feeling and instinct - perhaps in the same way that many dod but so badly and wrongly with Stan

Usmanov is rich beyond all means, 58, no kids, ongoing concern regarding longevity and has been a Gooner since around 2001/2, never a Mancs fan and all other bollox is exactly that, bollox.

Abramovich is best mate and has , as you know effectively written off £800m that Chelsea have had from him.He just simply wants AFC to be 1 of the beneficiaries of his wealth, beyond that some of your points are too much to try and get answers on so you need to apply common sense and look at hid general modus operandi.His Wiki entry confirms he has done much for charity that has been mentioned and am assured that there is much more done privately because he wants to, not to get the publicity.

I have been told that he is very concerned at the stadium prices in respect of children and elderly and concessions generally and so all the related points are close to his heart.

I know that his advisers have said that he will never make money out of arsenal and he has said he doesn't care because his other interests are continually making money and Arsenal is on the list that he wants it spent on , its that bloody simple.

He wants to remember our history ( eg old players , ) and leave a lasting legacy of having helped so to not act positively on a lot of your shopping list would appear very contradictory.

He has bought boxes, diamond and club seats and spends regularly in the club shop.

All the signs are there that he want to help, wants to listen, wants to give added value and of course can bring a lot of business expertise and worldwide contacts to the table but whilst he remains shut out there is little he can do proactively besides continue to buy shares to get to 30% first- it is important to him .

Beyond that its very hard to comment specifically but all i can say is that KKE is not working, will not work and he appears to and wants to and is making all the right noises in all the right places so on that basis i will continue to help fight his cause as our only hope at present of getting out this current situation we are in.

All the fan groups have their own agenda but ultimately all want success for our club and my confusion /conclusion with BSM is still the fact that if they want Kroenke out then who or what do they or anyone actually want and what exactly will they be chanting or promoting on Saturday and what are they trying to achieve on the day ? IG wont change the existing model and nor will Wenger so with answers or not, we need change of ownership and the quicker the better .

More will turn up if we lose at Everton than if we win and that is where the problem lays, we have to suffer on the pitch to have any chance of change off the pitch and that is what upsets us all the most, its a tragedy

[Herd]

Im not even sure I want Kroenke out ,I just want the board and the management to treat us with respect and invest in a future rather than selling it off every time they see a dollar float past the windows .

Whilst I support the BSM,the chances of removing the duffer that is Hillwood are Zero as he has Chairman for life status and has always treated the fans with utter contempt !

Whilst I'm not advocating it only dramatic Direct action in all of it's forms will make any difference although I hope u get a good turnout !

[augie]

Im not even sure I want Kroenke out ,I just want the board and the management to treat us with respect and invest in a future rather than selling it off every time they see a dollar float past the windows .

Whilst I support the BSM,the chances of removing the duffer that is Hillwood are Zero as he has Chairman for life status and has always treated the fans with utter contempt !

Whilst I'm not advocating it only dramatic Direct action in all of it's forms will make any difference although I hope u get a good turnout !

Seriously ?? I would take absolutely anybody as owner right now to get shot of the shower of c**ts ruining, not running, our club

[georgeknows89]

We all agree we want the march to succeed but what is the definition of is success.

Herd, in respect of Kroenke, its surely wake up and smell the roses time.

I accept that Usmanov, if the next majority shareholder ,could turn out worse than Stan, appoint a Gazidski thug in charge, and maybe even fall in love with "come on you gunners " Maria and appoint her queen of Uzbekistan ! but the clear facts are that those that backed Stan made a worse decision than Abramovich did when paying £50m for Torres.

A degree in hindsight is very valuable but not available ,and Stan has set out his stall and anyone who thinks that we are going to get him to change his operating model and strategy are i believe living in dream world.

Back to chippy, me , sinister etc, i refer back to my original posting re the board on 6th May which was posted to try and raise awareness and debate on Usmanov and it succeeded in freedom of expression and many new posters of messages and surely that is what this is all about.If he or anyone wants us all to say who we are what we do where we live then next he will want mobile numbers on twitter.

We are all Arsenal till we die but i will finish with Tony Adams great comments on the weekend about "we want our arsenal back" as a song.... is that the 70's Arsenal ? , GG and the 1-0 to arsenal brigade, 98 solid double team, or the Invincibles ? he has made a valid point , we know what we want , its just a case of whether and when we ever get it again

[mikeyb772001]

Your all deluded if you think any change will come at board level. Or if anyone new takes over.

While Wonger is there getting us 3rd or 4th and then getting us past group stages we won’t be having any change. It makes the money required and is an owners dream to do that with no spending.

This march will be interesting as the “elephant in the room” is the real reason a majority are going. But we can’t protest about him.

Only when wonger leaves will we see money being spent and any positive ambitious change being made.

By May 2013 we will have another exodus of players leaving and youth being promoted. Hopefully by then we can protest about wonger

[TheCook]

Even though there is debate over what the message should actually be, | do think it is important for as many people as possible to attend, at least to show that Arsenal fans can actually get organised and get out of the pubs etc to try and make themselves heard ; Arsenal Apathy is very prevalent within our fanbase.

[nut flush gooner]

Anyone know what the turnout is expected to be? If its only a few hundred again, we cant really complain about the way our club is being run. It will just show us as being passive whingers.

I am hoping to break with my normal pre match tradition of a kebab on the holloway road to join the march.

[QuartzGooner]

GeorgeKnows

The nine questions I raise on the last page are basics.
Would not expect you to answer them here, but if the time comes when Usmanov tries to launch a takeover, then I would only support him prior to a takeover if he would address those points to my satisfaction.

If he takes over and things go positively, then fine, but I would never blindly give my support to anyone.

As for the inevitability of Usmanov taking over, we can only wait and see.
What if Kroenke sold to a third party billionaire?

[georgeknows89]

Quartz,

All noted and as i say, do not think anything there would shock them.

another billionaire would not buy the 66% at an over inflated price , that is AFC ownership strength and weakness.

its not like jp magnier and man utd because the key 75 % barrier was achievable but it s not with us so in a way Usmanov has stopped us falling into Kroenke clutches and the dividend problem arising etc but also stops anyone else buying and it is this factor that gives him the determination to sit it out.

People vote on election manifestos that never materialise and never forgive so at this stage i think they are reluctant to make specific statements that cannot be backed up or end up being changed so the focus is just on sitting waiting and buying more shares !

[highburyJD]

I would have gone if it wan't for the BSM boardroom stuff
chair is a titular position, the 'board' itself is just a monthly meeting FFS
are PHW and Jabba going to fall in love if the BSM make them sit next to each other every now and then?

really misses the point. BSM is basically a pressure group, then pressurise Kroenke,
he's the only person who's opinion matters

pricing and safe standing is a Prem wide issue - those who care should join FSF

[augie]

I would have gone if it wan't for the BSM boardroom stuffchair is a titular position, the 'board' itself is just a monthly meeting FFS
are PHW and Jabba going to fall in love if the BSM make them sit next to each other every now and then?

really misses the point. BSM is basically a pressure group, then pressurise Kroenke,
he's the only person who's opinion matters

pricing and safe standing is a Prem wide issue - those who care should join FSF

Does the march not come down to one fundamental question......do you support the current boardroom regime or not ?
As I have said before, I do believe that it should also focus on the team and management issue but the fact is that it doesnt so we need to focus on what it is aimed at imo. With that in mind those who support wenger but are opposed to kroenke, gazidas et al should be on the march as much as those that want wenger and the board removed from the club and the above just sounds like a cop out to me

[potter]

Take Gazidis out ( please ) and the average age of our board is mid 70's . Too old to be proactive and too slow to react when things require change . If the march succeeds in bringing in a younger set with different ideals then it should be supported by all sides of the it's The board/ It's all Wenger/ it's both triangle.

[highburyJD]

Does the march not come down to one fundamental question......do you support the current boardroom regime or not ?

I don't even believe there is a boardroom regime
there's an owner, I don't like it, I don't believe it should be legal for an individual to own a football club
its far to important for that.
That opinion applies whether its Abramothief, SilentStan or that bloke who asset-stripped York City.

I think demanding the owner fires the chairman (who has no shares anyway) and has Jabba's lawyer present at a monthly talking shop is a bit silly.

[georgeknows89]

Augie is correct in what he says- but it is even simpler than that .

If people do not support the existing boardroom regime then they cannot support the existing majority shareholder because he has either endorsed his approval for the previous directors prior to ownership to remain or appointed them new himself as he is entitled to do.

The only way the composition of the board will change significantly is if the shareholders change .

[highburyJD]

who's on the board is meaningless,
I'd like to see a football fans Clause 4 - forget the workers earning the means of production
the fans are actually both capital AND labour - yet have no power in England

the obvious model is Germany