THE WENGER THREAD

[Wengerball]

Fook me- just after reading the last bit of drivel from ODL off pravda I see this steaming pile of shite

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -mentality

Thomas Vermaelen has hailed his side’s mentality after they claimed a hard-fought point at Everton on Wednesday night.

The Gunners took the lead through Theo Walcott’s early strike, before Marouane Fellaini drew the hosts level with a fine effort from 20 yards.

Arsenal were put under real pressure in the second half, but held on for a share of the spoils to the satisfaction of their captain.

“Every time when you come here, you have to fight really hard for the points,” Vermaelen told Arsenal Player. “You know it will be physical battle, with the likes of Fellaini and Jelavic up front.

“In the first minute we scored a good goal, and after that we dominated but gave them chances because we were a little bit sloppy with the ball. That was a bit disappointing.

“In the second half we were a little bit dangerous but didn't create too many chances. In the end we got a point, I don't know if we should be happy with that or not.

“Mentality-wise, there is nothing wrong with the team. Everybody works hard and there is no one who doesn't work for the team, and that will give you results. From that point of view I am very happy.


It seems Wengeritis is spreading amongst the players.

Wengeritis has spread to some players. But many grow out of it and wake up and realise that wenker is a fucking clown

Theo has woken up and so has sagna

Next season it will be Jack


Please wenker just fuck off back to france

Wengeritis is a losers mentality, happy to accept mediocrity as long as we qualify for the CL. All those kissing Arsenes arse and pointing to the self sustaining model are selling this club short of the potential it has. Look at Dortmund and their self sustaining model- they have fans involved in the club at board level and they have produced some of the best talent around whilst investing wisely.

Goetze, Hummels, Kagawa, Subotic, Lewandowski - all players from the youth team or bought at a sensible price thanks to good coaching and a proper scouting network (ie not France or Africa).

Dortmund have gone in the direction we should have been going in after the move to the E******s and it pisses me off the amount that actually been wasted on average players. Our scouting network hould have been fired along with a whole host of our coaches. A forward thinking manager like Klopp really makes a difference.

I hear all this talk of us playing exciting football but I watched Citeh vs Dortmund at the Etihad on the TV and the difference between the brand of football they play and what we have is night and day.

[mikeyb772001]

Fook me- just after reading the last bit of drivel from ODL off pravda I see this steaming pile of shite

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -mentality

Thomas Vermaelen has hailed his side’s mentality after they claimed a hard-fought point at Everton on Wednesday night.

The Gunners took the lead through Theo Walcott’s early strike, before Marouane Fellaini drew the hosts level with a fine effort from 20 yards.

Arsenal were put under real pressure in the second half, but held on for a share of the spoils to the satisfaction of their captain.

“Every time when you come here, you have to fight really hard for the points,” Vermaelen told Arsenal Player. “You know it will be physical battle, with the likes of Fellaini and Jelavic up front.

“In the first minute we scored a good goal, and after that we dominated but gave them chances because we were a little bit sloppy with the ball. That was a bit disappointing.

“In the second half we were a little bit dangerous but didn't create too many chances. In the end we got a point, I don't know if we should be happy with that or not.

“Mentality-wise, there is nothing wrong with the team. Everybody works hard and there is no one who doesn't work for the team, and that will give you results. From that point of view I am very happy.


It seems Wengeritis is spreading amongst the players.

Wengeritis has spread to some players. But many grow out of it and wake up and realise that wenker is a fucking clown

Theo has woken up and so has sagna

Next season it will be Jack


Please wenker just fuck off back to france

Wengeritis is a losers mentality, happy to accept mediocrity as long as we qualify for the CL. All those kissing Arsenes arse and pointing to the self sustaining model are selling this club short of the potential it has. Look at Dortmund and their self sustaining model- they have fans involved in the club at board level and they have produced some of the best talent around whilst investing wisely.

Goetze, Hummels, Kagawa, Subotic, Lewandowski - all players from the youth team or bought at a sensible price thanks to good coaching and a proper scouting network (ie not France or Africa).

Dortmund have gone in the direction we should have been going in after the move to the E******s and it pisses me off the amount that actually been wasted on average players. Our scouting network hould have been fired along with a whole host of our coaches. A forward thinking manager like Klopp really makes a difference.

I hear all this talk of us playing exciting football but I watched Citeh vs Dortmund at the Etihad on the TV and the difference between the brand of football they play and what we have is night and day.

I’ve been praising Dortmund and klopp for ages. Excellent style of football, great motivator of his players and a great tactician.

He keeps his best players and they love playing for him. As you said, brilliant scouting network and when needed they do spend if they need too

[Wengerball]

Fook me- just after reading the last bit of drivel from ODL off pravda I see this steaming pile of shite

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -mentality

Thomas Vermaelen has hailed his side’s mentality after they claimed a hard-fought point at Everton on Wednesday night.

The Gunners took the lead through Theo Walcott’s early strike, before Marouane Fellaini drew the hosts level with a fine effort from 20 yards.

Arsenal were put under real pressure in the second half, but held on for a share of the spoils to the satisfaction of their captain.

“Every time when you come here, you have to fight really hard for the points,” Vermaelen told Arsenal Player. “You know it will be physical battle, with the likes of Fellaini and Jelavic up front.

“In the first minute we scored a good goal, and after that we dominated but gave them chances because we were a little bit sloppy with the ball. That was a bit disappointing.

“In the second half we were a little bit dangerous but didn't create too many chances. In the end we got a point, I don't know if we should be happy with that or not.

“Mentality-wise, there is nothing wrong with the team. Everybody works hard and there is no one who doesn't work for the team, and that will give you results. From that point of view I am very happy.


It seems Wengeritis is spreading amongst the players.

Wengeritis has spread to some players. But many grow out of it and wake up and realise that wenker is a fucking clown

Theo has woken up and so has sagna

Next season it will be Jack


Please wenker just fuck off back to france

Wengeritis is a losers mentality, happy to accept mediocrity as long as we qualify for the CL. All those kissing Arsenes arse and pointing to the self sustaining model are selling this club short of the potential it has. Look at Dortmund and their self sustaining model- they have fans involved in the club at board level and they have produced some of the best talent around whilst investing wisely.

Goetze, Hummels, Kagawa, Subotic, Lewandowski - all players from the youth team or bought at a sensible price thanks to good coaching and a proper scouting network (ie not France or Africa).

Dortmund have gone in the direction we should have been going in after the move to the E******s and it pisses me off the amount that actually been wasted on average players. Our scouting network hould have been fired along with a whole host of our coaches. A forward thinking manager like Klopp really makes a difference.

I hear all this talk of us playing exciting football but I watched Citeh vs Dortmund at the Etihad on the TV and the difference between the brand of football they play and what we have is night and day.

I’ve been praising Dortmund and klopp for ages. Excellent style of football, great motivator of his players and a great tactician.

He keeps his best players and they love playing for him. As you said, brilliant scouting network and when needed they do spend if they need too

Whats also interesting is that they can admit when they made a mistake- they re signed Reus for £16m after letting him go as a youngster. Can you imagine ODL admitting he made a mistake?

What I dont get is why certain fans dont see that we could have done this at Arsenal. They've invested wisely and they still have that valuable "self sustaining model" tag that hangs around as an excuse at our club for not winning anything. As it stands right now they are dark horses for the CL and we have to accept we will just get knocked out in the next round.

[DB10GOONER]

Haha, I saw that on Twitter last night :

'On online forums, post the comment 'This comment has been removed by Moderators' to freak out the Moderators.

To be honest when I read the initial post I thought something was wrong as our moderators tend to put their name to the deletion and send the poster of the comments a PM. Then again, this new lot haven't been trained properly (see Quartz's I fucked up thread as proof) so I was willing to believe that my .... I mean our high standards had temporarily slipped.

You're a moderator??!! WTF??!

[SteveO 35]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... 67709.html

Not as sick as I felt when I read in tonight's Standard that whilst on Saturday the fans sang "You don't know what you're doing", last night there were a couple of choruses of "There's Only One Arsene Wenger". Read the third paragraph from the end

Anyone still think he'll be calling it a day in 2014?

Remember that the FFP rules that he rubs his trousers over will be in effect at that time, we have the new commercial deals in place and more importantly if UEFA get their way, the 7th placed trophy will be in effect

I can't wait till 2014 either.......There's Only One Arsene Wenger

[I Hate Hleb]

Haha, I saw that on Twitter last night :

'On online forums, post the comment 'This comment has been removed by Moderators' to freak out the Moderators.

To be honest when I read the initial post I thought something was wrong as our moderators tend to put their name to the deletion and send the poster of the comments a PM. Then again, this new lot haven't been trained properly (see Quartz's I fucked up thread as proof) so I was willing to believe that my .... I mean our high standards had temporarily slipped.

You're a moderator??!! WTF??!

Shush - I don't think any one has noticed yet.

[supergeorgegraham]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

[DB10GOONER]

As much as a post on the 116 page of a thread will not be read I urge all Arsenal fans to stop spending money on Arsenal. In truth if all the fans on this forum did that I am sure it would not really dent the massive income from our fans in general.
I will say it again I disagree with many on here who dont think Walcott is class.
I cant accept losing Song, Sagna, Walcott and especially Van Persie in less than 6 months.
I cant accept the wages and the fact that Squallchi, Diaby, Arshavin, Chamakh and now I will say it Ramsey are all still here. My relationship with Arsenal has never been lower in the 34 years I have supported them.(im 41 old bastard, first 6 years I was into tomas tank and evil kenevil)
Yes Wenger needs to go now but trust me the evil poison is Kronk make no mistake.

Evel Knievel fucking ruled. Still does.

I thought Song was average at his very best, absolutely useless and a hinderance at his worst. No loss for me. I too have given up on Ramsey. He has no footballing brain at all. It's all flicks and backheels that never come off and running (slowly) into the wrong areas. It's a real pity but he is not much use at all.

I'm 45, been supporting The Arsenal about 40 years and I've never been THIS frustrated and exasperated by them. I think because it has dragged on year after year with no real effort to address the decline. Even in the late 70's and particularly the early/mid 80's (when we were awful most of the time) the Board at least tried to address our failings by trying out new managers. From 76 to 86 we went through 5 managers to arrive at GG. Not saying I want us to be like the Chavs and change manager twice a season, but 16 years (the last 7 unsuccessful) is too long for one man to be manager. The IS a happy medium in between both extremes.

As I say the old board tried to address the problem at least. Now we just suck it up and watch Arsene plod on year after year treading water in persuit of his mythical 4th place trophy...

[highburyJD]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

[DB10GOONER]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

WHHHHHhhhhhhoooooooOOOOSSSSHHHH!

[flash gunner]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

'kin 'ell!!!!!!! Why is it always down to money? and no one wants a revolving door they want people in charge who make an effort to improve things not groundhog day of nothing-ness season after season after season

[DB10GOONER]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

'kin 'ell!!!!!!! Why is it always down to money? and no one wants a revolving door they want people in charge who make an effort to improve things not groundhog day of nothing-ness season after season after season

Don't waste your time, Flash. SuperfanJD only picks out and mis-quotes the bits he can twist to make them look like extreme points. Then whines because no one will "debate sensibly" with him...

Almost WUM-like, huh...?

[skizz_b]

Not too sure how many people share my opinion (don't care frankly) and I have never ONCE sat and bleated on about anything but I am going to try and write it down coherently.

To put it concisely, I am neither AKB nor WOB. I think as a person Arsene Wenger is an arrogant, petulant man who wears rose-tinted glasses. He doesn’t believe any opinion other than his own is correct, he only sees the other side of the fence when it is convenient to him, and he refuses to deviate from his “principles” to the detriment of the club.

His character is what has been his downfall in many ways. His stubborn refusal to accept other people may have better ways of doing things has ruined us in many ways. He refuses flat out to buy players who will help the team get better yet sells the better players in the side. He sticks with players like Ramsey, Gervinho, Santos, Flappy ( ), all players who obviously lack the quality to play in the Premier League week in, week out, because he refuses to see the fault in them and himself. What’s worse is that when someone comes in and has ideas about how things can be done better (Bould), he puts them on mute and carries on doing his own thing, yet he will claim that the team are taking a “different” approach.

It is as a tactician that he has been shown up. In previous years he had a very good side which didn’t need tactical tweaking, but when you are competing with teams with more money, better players etc, you need to be able to set your team up tactically to bridge that gap in quality. Wenger will sit there and talk about how his team “will perform” and “show their true quality” at places like Old Trafford but he sends them out with no tactical idea of how to play, what role they should be playing, or any idea of how to get the ball in the net, then acts surprised when they are played off the park. It’s horrifying in many ways, and players like Ramsey take the flak from fans for Wenger’s mistake. It’s not his fault he is playing for Arsenal. Anyone here offered £35k per week to play for Arsenal would do it regardless of ability, so getting pissed off at him is one thing but you have to ask yourself why he is on the pitch in the first place. Then you feel less angry.

So as a manager, I do not think Wenger is up to the job and he should go. But unfortunately this is not the best option for us, and this is why I would say I lean towards WOB but I’m not full on. Why? Because the Board are bigger kunts than Wenger. If he were to leave, does anyone here genuinely believe that despite Arsenal being one of the most appealing jobs in world football, that the club would hire someone like Klopp or Pep who will actually spend money and try to turn this club into a winning side? It wouldn’t surprise me if they got some **** like Alan Pardew – a yes man, who would be under no pressure to win, anything he does is a “miracle” and he won’t spend shitloads of money. The board will not hire a WINNER who wants to take the club FORWARD, because that would cost TOO MUCH MONEY. Money that would be going in their back pocket. This is why true change at the club will not come until those f#cking pricks on the board are dealt with, because when Wenger leaves, their true colours will show.

As a result of this my support of Arsenal has diluted. I’ll go to games but I gave up my season ticket some time ago, for monetary reasons and also because you get a season ticket because you want to see your team WIN. There isn’t a hunger in this team other than for the first 6 weeks of a season, then it’s the same old dross. BORING. I love the club but it is the board who are ruining it, the primary example of this being the fact they have kept Wenger in charge. Wenger is a BY PRODUCT of the board and is a SYMBOL OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CLUB, not the main problem itself.

I think that makes sense anyway. F#ck the board

[Skooner]

Not too sure how many people share my opinion (don't care frankly) and I have never ONCE sat and bleated on about anything but I am going to try and write it down coherently.

To put it concisely, I am neither AKB nor WOB. I think as a person Arsene Wenger is an arrogant, petulant man who wears rose-tinted glasses. He doesn’t believe any opinion other than his own is correct, he only sees the other side of the fence when it is convenient to him, and he refuses to deviate from his “principles” to the detriment of the club.

His character is what has been his downfall in many ways. His stubborn refusal to accept other people may have better ways of doing things has ruined us in many ways. He refuses flat out to buy players who will help the team get better yet sells the better players in the side. He sticks with players like Ramsey, Gervinho, Santos, Flappy ( ), all players who obviously lack the quality to play in the Premier League week in, week out, because he refuses to see the fault in them and himself. What’s worse is that when someone comes in and has ideas about how things can be done better (Bould), he puts them on mute and carries on doing his own thing, yet he will claim that the team are taking a “different” approach.

It is as a tactician that he has been shown up. In previous years he had a very good side which didn’t need tactical tweaking, but when you are competing with teams with more money, better players etc, you need to be able to set your team up tactically to bridge that gap in quality. Wenger will sit there and talk about how his team “will perform” and “show their true quality” at places like Old Trafford but he sends them out with no tactical idea of how to play, what role they should be playing, or any idea of how to get the ball in the net, then acts surprised when they are played off the park. It’s horrifying in many ways, and players like Ramsey take the flak from fans for Wenger’s mistake. It’s not his fault he is playing for Arsenal. Anyone here offered £35k per week to play for Arsenal would do it regardless of ability, so getting pissed off at him is one thing but you have to ask yourself why he is on the pitch in the first place. Then you feel less angry.

So as a manager, I do not think Wenger is up to the job and he should go. But unfortunately this is not the best option for us, and this is why I would say I lean towards WOB but I’m not full on. Why? Because the Board are bigger kunts than Wenger. If he were to leave, does anyone here genuinely believe that despite Arsenal being one of the most appealing jobs in world football, that the club would hire someone like Klopp or Pep who will actually spend money and try to turn this club into a winning side? It wouldn’t surprise me if they got some **** like Alan Pardew – a yes man, who would be under no pressure to win, anything he does is a “miracle” and he won’t spend shitloads of money. The board will not hire a WINNER who wants to take the club FORWARD, because that would cost TOO MUCH MONEY. Money that would be going in their back pocket. This is why true change at the club will not come until those f#cking pricks on the board are dealt with, because when Wenger leaves, their true colours will show.

As a result of this my support of Arsenal has diluted. I’ll go to games but I gave up my season ticket some time ago, for monetary reasons and also because you get a season ticket because you want to see your team WIN. There isn’t a hunger in this team other than for the first 6 weeks of a season, then it’s the same old dross. BORING. I love the club but it is the board who are ruining it, the primary example of this being the fact they have kept Wenger in charge. Wenger is a BY PRODUCT of the board and is a SYMBOL OF THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CLUB, not the main problem itself.

I think that makes sense anyway. F#ck the board

I think I put this forward earlier in this thread but I believe Wenger has to be the first to go. Wenger is a unique manager as far as I can tell as he is the only manager I have ever seen that seems comfortable with not using all of the resources available to him. Whether the board are asking him not to is not that important, the fact is, there is money in the bank, the club are saying publically there is money to spend and there have also been quotes directly from the board and Wenger in the past where they have stated if we wanted to buy a player for £30m we could.

Now because Wenger is unique like this, I think it creates confusion for those outside of the club. No one is 100% certain who is the main problem when it comes to investment in the playing side. Are the managers hands really tied by the board, or is the manager just pursuing his own agenda of trying to win by a certain method rather than taking a win at all costs attitude. Like everyone else I have an opinion on this but I do not know.

The only way to prove this one way or the other is to remove Wenger from the equation. I can’t think of another manager the club could appoint who would accept taking flak because of the boards failings (which is what some people argue Wenger does). So if we get a new manager, one of two things will happen. They will either increase our spending thus giving us a greater chance of success (no guarantee obviously) or the lack of investment will continue. If the former happens, we can probably deduce that Wenger was causing the issue, if the latter happens then it points the finger squarely at the board. Either way we are closer to understanding why the situation has got to where it has. And I would argue any new manager couldn’t be any worse from a tactical perspective!

[highburyJD]

Can't see why wasting money on a managerial revolving door is 'trying'
sounds a foolish expenditure to me...

'kin 'ell!!!!!!! Why is it always down to money? and no one wants a revolving door they want people in charge who make an effort to improve things not groundhog day of nothing-ness season after season after season

Don't waste your time, Flash. SuperfanJD only picks out and mis-quotes the bits he can twist to make them look like extreme points. Then whines because no one will "debate sensibly" with him...

Almost WUM-like, huh...?

this statement is clearly 100% designed to irritate me - an interesting dichotomy...
what should my riposte be? piss of and support Chelski?
what are you looking for here?
Presumably the aim is to aggravate me enough that I say something bannable

I'm happy to state I've believed everything I've posted and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a clueless prick
in the words of a great player: "is that enough"..?

Just too depressing dealing with the dour, the deluded and the deceitful on here
Most have either fallen out of love with football for whatever reason...
modern day mixed crowds, sitting, high prices, predictable champions, nostalgia for your youth, not winning enough trophies.
Or are angry they can't go - money again, your wife won't let you, moved out of London.

Fine, thats the purpose here - its the sad board.
Trying to explain all is not lost to a group enthusiastically buggering the blackdog is never going to work.

seems some part-timers on here find others enjoyment too hard to bear,
attending or being excited by football matches is laughable

I'll try and stick to match threads and tickets, maybe that way I won't upset the long distance moaners
by enjoying football too much