As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Top Londoner wrote:Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to look back upon my club's successes with admiration and not with a tinge of regret.
I know that we are being screwed by the board and that Wenger is a petulant , but I would prefer to install a disciplinarian ahead of a spendthrift egomaniac.
I want success for Arsenal, but not at all costs. Just because the present incumbent has lost the plot, it does not mean that we have to keep following the same path.
Don't shoot me down for having a different opinion, but this is not about personality but more about pride.
yeah pride is so important right now,i wouldnt care if we were relegated as long as we still had our pride.im waitnig for pep to take over and build a dynasty with a conveyor belt of talent producing Xavi's and Messi's!!!WAKE UP!!!!FFS!its exactly that mentalilty that has got us in this state,who care s about pride right now,we have none,we are being laughed at,Jose would restore pride and put us back where we belong
Steve_I wrote:Said no, not because I can't stand him - I find him quite e4ntertaining - but for similar reasons to Top Londoner above who said it as well as anyone could with 'spendthrift egomaniac'
as i said how did he win the CL with Porto with no money?
Top Londoner wrote:Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to look back upon my club's successes with admiration and not with a tinge of regret.
I know that we are being screwed by the board and that Wenger is a petulant , but I would prefer to install a disciplinarian ahead of a spendthrift egomaniac.
I want success for Arsenal, but not at all costs. Just because the present incumbent has lost the plot, it does not mean that we have to keep following the same path.
Don't shoot me down for having a different opinion, but this is not about personality but more about pride.
yeah pride is so important right now,i wouldnt care if we were relegated as long as we still had our pride.im waitnig for pep to take over and build a dynasty with a conveyor belt of talent producing Xavi's and Messi's!!!WAKE UP!!!!FFS!its exactly that mentalilty that has got us in this state,who care s about pride right now,we have none,we are being laughed at,Jose would restore pride and put us back where we belong
Like I said before markyp. It's about opinions mate.
Mine differs, and I consider myself awake.
My pride comes before a fall,,,,,,okay?
Steve_I wrote:Said no, not because I can't stand him - I find him quite e4ntertaining - but for similar reasons to Top Londoner above who said it as well as anyone could with 'spendthrift egomaniac'
as i said how did he win the CL with Porto with no money?
Coz some of the players he had back then became world class players, he was lucky enought to be just in the right moment and in the right place, that was it. His team won the CL, not him.
Top Londoner wrote:Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to look back upon my club's successes with admiration and not with a tinge of regret.
I know that we are being screwed by the board and that Wenger is a petulant , but I would prefer to install a disciplinarian ahead of a spendthrift egomaniac.
I want success for Arsenal, but not at all costs. Just because the present incumbent has lost the plot, it does not mean that we have to keep following the same path.
Don't shoot me down for having a different opinion, but this is not about personality but more about pride.
yeah pride is so important right now,i wouldnt care if we were relegated as long as we still had our pride.im waitnig for pep to take over and build a dynasty with a conveyor belt of talent producing Xavi's and Messi's!!!WAKE UP!!!!FFS!its exactly that mentalilty that has got us in this state,who care s about pride right now,we have none,we are being laughed at,Jose would restore pride and put us back where we belong
Like I said before markyp. It's about opinions mate.
Mine differs, and I consider myself awake.
My pride comes before a fall,,,,,,okay?
Thank you, with respect.
Top Londoner, i didnt really wanna bash you fella,we are all in this mire together,peace
Top Londoner wrote:Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to look back upon my club's successes with admiration and not with a tinge of regret.
I know that we are being screwed by the board and that Wenger is a petulant , but I would prefer to install a disciplinarian ahead of a spendthrift egomaniac.
I want success for Arsenal, but not at all costs. Just because the present incumbent has lost the plot, it does not mean that we have to keep following the same path.
Don't shoot me down for having a different opinion, but this is not about personality but more about pride.
yeah pride is so important right now,i wouldnt care if we were relegated as long as we still had our pride.im waitnig for pep to take over and build a dynasty with a conveyor belt of talent producing Xavi's and Messi's!!!WAKE UP!!!!FFS!its exactly that mentalilty that has got us in this state,who care s about pride right now,we have none,we are being laughed at,Jose would restore pride and put us back where we belong
Like I said before markyp. It's about opinions mate.
Mine differs, and I consider myself awake.
My pride comes before a fall,,,,,,okay?
Thank you, with respect.
Top Londoner, i didnt really wanna bash you fella,we are all in this mire together,peace
Part of a minority I know but I voted no as well - as far as I am concerned it is very hypocritical to listen/read Gooners absolutely slating wenger's lack of class and then advocate the most classless cunting manager in world football I really want us to employ a manager that has the drive and tactical acumen needed to make us winners again but the portugese twat isnt the only person out there capable of doing that job imo so I think that it is normal to want a manager capable of behaving with some semblence of class. For most of us older Gooners the thing that set our club apart from the rest was the class and style off the pitch which put our club on a higher level than the rest of our rivals and I yearn for a return to those days again so employing moaninho will only suck the remaining class out of our great club
Again in the history of our club you will see many instances where the sum of the parts is classed as more important than the individuals...........would that remain with that c**t in charge ? Isnt jose all about jose ? Where does team ethos lie when it comes to moaninho ? Havent we spent the past few seasons bemoaning the fact that wenger's agenda has taken on greater importance than that of the team ? How does bowing to one man's demands help bring our club forward again ? Personally there are a number of managers that I would pick ahead of him (pep,klopp,moyes,rijkard and martinez for starters) and if we had any of them then I wouldnt be worried about the portugese c**t taking over from ferguscum at manure. I do agree that he is a cheque book manager and winning the big eared cup with porto doesnt change that imo - freaks happen just like greece winning the euro's
augie wrote:Part of a minority I know but I voted no as well - as far as I am concerned it is very hypocritical to listen/read Gooners absolutely slating wenger's lack of class and then advocate the most classless cunting manager in world football I really want us to employ a manager that has the drive and tactical acumen needed to make us winners again but the portugese twat isnt the only person out there capable of doing that job imo so I think that it is normal to want a manager capable of behaving with some semblence of class. For most of us older Gooners the thing that set our club apart from the rest was the class and style off the pitch which put our club on a higher level than the rest of our rivals and I yearn for a return to those days again so employing moaninho will only suck the remaining class out of our great club
Again in the history of our club you will see many instances where the sum of the parts is classed as more important than the individuals...........would that remain with that c**t in charge ? Isnt jose all about jose ? Where does team ethos lie when it comes to moaninho ? Havent we spent the past few seasons bemoaning the fact that wenger's agenda has taken on greater importance than that of the team ? How does bowing to one man's demands help bring our club forward again ? Personally there are a number of managers that I would pick ahead of him (pep,klopp,moyes,rijkard and martinez for starters) and if we had any of them then I wouldnt be worried about the portugese c**t taking over from ferguscum at manure. I do agree that he is a cheque book manager and winning the big eared cup with porto doesnt change that imo - freaks happen just like greece winning the euro's
It's a shame that I could not express my opinion like this in the first place. It might have saved some other posters the time to question my observations.
Sorry for the quoting augie.
Steve_I wrote:Said no, not because I can't stand him - I find him quite e4ntertaining - but for similar reasons to Top Londoner above who said it as well as anyone could with 'spendthrift egomaniac'
as i said how did he win the CL with Porto with no money?
Coz some of the players he had back then became world class players, he was lucky enought to be just in the right moment and in the right place, that was it. His team won the CL, not him.
The year Jose won the CL was the year of the Invincibles when we had world class players.Inter didnt come close to winning the CL before he arrived and havent since he left.I suppose it was just luck he won titles in 4 countries as well.
19 trophies in 10 years.Just happened to be in the right place bit like Sir Alex
I know some dont like him as a man but dont come up with excuses as to why he won so much.Its a bit like us saying Wenger was lucky from 98 to 05
Steve_I wrote:Said no, not because I can't stand him - I find him quite e4ntertaining - but for similar reasons to Top Londoner above who said it as well as anyone could with 'spendthrift egomaniac'
as i said how did he win the CL with Porto with no money?
Coz some of the players he had back then became world class players, he was lucky enought to be just in the right moment and in the right place, that was it. His team won the CL, not him.
The year Jose won the CL was the year of the Invincibles when we had world class players.Inter didnt come close to winning the CL before he arrived and havent since he left.I suppose it was just luck he won titles in 4 countries as well.
19 trophies in 10 years.Just happened to be in the right place bit like Sir Alex
I know some dont like him as a man but dont come up with excuses as to why he won so much.Its a bit like us saying Wenger was lucky from 98 to 05
Agree with Donaldo, if you don't like his character then fair enough but the man is an absolutely fantastic manager, don't dismiss it as luck. Yes, he's had money to spend wherever he's gone after Porto but he's delivered more or less instant success.
Might have been 'right place right time' at Chelsea but in his first season he built one of the best teams the PL has ever seen, and Chelsea haven't had anywhere near as good a side since he left despite throwing bigger sums at players. What he did at Inter speaks for itself, especially in the circumstances of their managerial turmoil over the last decade. And last season he managed to comfortably topple arguably the best club side Europe has seen in decades domestically in his second season at Madrid, and lost a CL semi on pens when they would have been overwhelming favourites in the final.
I voted No because there are other mangers out there who will restore discipline and tactics but will leave a club/legacy behind. They've had Martinez,Sousa,Rodgers and now Laudrup and yet the club has a legacy which has survived losing there 2 best players......something we could do with.
Look at Swansea and try and imagine what that club would be like if they were shopping at Harvey Nicks and not Primark.
Mourinho spends the kind of eye watering sums that no club can sustain. He also has a short shelf life at most of his clubs because after a while his tactics cease to work at that club because the players are like tightly wound springs and he knows that after a few years his regime will founder.
Think GG in the latter years of his reign.
Klopp/Simeone/Bielsa/Dodgy match-fixing manager of Juve.....can't remember his name.
Any of those will be on half of AW's wages and would improve our performances immensely. I also think all of those would jump at the chance to revive a once great club back to being great again.
The only reason I would consider Moaninho is if he won us the European cup in his first season then f'ed off again. I caremore about the league. The European cup is great to say we have one but given the choice between both, it's the league all day long.
augie wrote:... I do agree that he is a cheque book manager and winning the big eared cup with porto doesnt change that imo - freaks happen just like greece winning the euro's
Come on augie, surely you are more intelligent than to let your dislike of the man allow you to come out with an argument so weak that it's actually equivalent to some of the idiotic nonsense AKB's say in defence of their man?
The guy won the treble with Porto - including the UEFA Cup - the season before winning the Champion's League and has gone on to win 8 League Titles (in 4 different countries), 7 domestic Cups and another CL with Inter Milan (who had gone decades without winning it despite Chelsea-like spending through-out that time). Hardly a Greek like 'freak' by any stretch of the imagination!!
Steve_I wrote:Said no, not because I can't stand him - I find him quite e4ntertaining - but for similar reasons to Top Londoner above who said it as well as anyone could with 'spendthrift egomaniac'
as i said how did he win the CL with Porto with no money?
Coz some of the players he had back then became world class players, he was lucky enought to be just in the right moment and in the right place, that was it. His team won the CL, not him.
Yeah, course they did. Just like they won the treble the season before, including the UEFA Cup, all by themselves. Remind me how many trophies those 'great players' were winning just before he became manager?
agree with hleb and donaldo's points. the man is a top class manager.
he is a *word censored*, but a very competent *word censored*. and honestly if he won us titles like he has everywhere he managed so far, i'd quickly start liking him...
, but I would prefer to install a disciplinarian ahead of a spendthrift egomaniac.
I really want us to employ a manager that has the drive and tactical acumen needed to make us winners again but the portugese twat isnt the only person out there capable of doing that job imo so I think that it is normal to want a manager capable of behaving with some semblence of class. For most of us older Gooners the thing that set our club apart from the rest was the class and style off the pitch which put our club on a higher level than the rest of our rivals and I yearn for a return to those days again so employing moaninho will only suck the remaining class out of our great club 
