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Wenger pauses for a moment as he recalls the tone of the exchange, searching for the right word. "Profit," is the one he plumps for, although the hint of a knowing smile suggests the negotiations may have been infused with a touch more emotion. "
I've fixed that for you!
I don't know why people still talk about 'project youth'.........Wenger stopped that a few years ago, 'Project Profit' is the ONLY thing on Wenger's mind. Winning an actual trophy is not a consideration for Wenger, and not a requirement of the board.
In the last two summers we've signed Giroud, Mertesacker, Santos, Podolski, Cazorla, Arteta and Park, all 25 and over.
By the way, in looking up Gervinho's age on Wikipedia (who else thinks it would be a good idea to cut his leg off and count the rings - would certainly solve some of our tactical problems), I found this entry under "Style of Play". I kid you not.
He possesses good ball control and dribbling which, coupled with short, fast bursts of pace, lead him to be considered a very direct player. Playing from the left allows him to cut in onto his favoured right foot to shoot.
I Hate Hleb wrote:
Far be it for me to stick up for the bloke as most of what he says confuses and pisses me off in equal measure but in fairness to Wenger, I think he meant that in relation to RVP scoring goals rather than Man United being so far clear.
Not for me Hlebby. It doesnt "scan" that way.
For me he said he knew when he sold RVP that it would put ManU even more beyond us than they already were. Doesn't take a professor or a genius to figure that one out though.
Wenger says he does not find it painful to watch Van Persie delivering, decisively, game after game in a different shade of red. "But what is painful is to see United so far in front of us," he says. "We knew when we sold him to United that would be the case." That is a stark admission from Arsenal's perspective. From a United point of view, when he picked up that phone, Ferguson sure knew what he was doing.
He's signing his own death warrant with each passing statement. He's being universally lambasted for today's comments, the net is closing, the noose is tightening, the guillotine is about to drop. Au revoir and good bloody riddance
I Hate Hleb wrote:
Far be it for me to stick up for the bloke as most of what he says confuses and pisses me off in equal measure but in fairness to Wenger, I think he meant that in relation to RVP scoring goals rather than Man United being so far clear.
Not for me Hlebby. It doesnt "scan" that way.
For me he said he knew when he sold RVP that it would put ManU even more beyond us than they already were. Doesn't take a professor or a genius to figure that one out though.
Wenger says he does not find it painful to watch Van Persie delivering, decisively, game after game in a different shade of red. "But what is painful is to see United so far in front of us," he says. "We knew when we sold him to United that would be the case." That is a stark admission from Arsenal's perspective. From a United point of view, when he picked up that phone, Ferguson sure knew what he was doing
Now I'm no professor (no, really - although I may well be a genius ), but I prefer to read things in entirety and therefore hopefully in the right context ......
ARSENE WENGER admits Robin van Persie is firing Manchester United to the title.
The Arsenal boss said: “It is painful to see Manchester United so far in front of us.” The Gunners take on champs Manchester City tomorrow and could be an incredible 21 points behind leaders United — who signed Van Persie for £22million — by kick-off. And Wenger added: “You know when you sell Robin van Persie to United that will be the case. He is one of the best strikers in the world and you know he will score goals. He got 30 for us in the league last year.”
Now having done that, I stand by my earlier assertion that he was speaking in terms of knowing RVP would score loads for United, rather than knowing they'd be miles ahead of us. Although I wouldn't exclude the fact that he believed the latter as well because even he must have known the implications of selling our best player.
Hlebby, when arseblogger comes out slating wenger for the remarks, and he reads them the same way as I did, then it tells you how bad those comments are cos he is one of the most pro wenger guys on the planet
Out of interest what was the context of him talking about van Persie? As in why was he compelled to say anything other than he doesn't want to talk about players who aren't at the club any more?
What did the guy think he was going to gain from giving him a glowing testimonial? It beggars belief, Wenger is a reporter's dream. He considers himself a fountain of knowledge and will therefore wax lyrical about anything and everything, as an expert. Unless it's criticism of him, in which case he'll clam up and refuse to talk about it.
mcdowell42 wrote:The same wenger who at halftime in the manure game where we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal is hugging him and having laugh with him.Disgraceful
Too right McD...he should have been waiting for the players (ours) in the dressing room to inspire them 'somehow' and then be writing out his resignation....The world and hhis dog knew that if we sold rvanjudas manure would be odds on to win the title (even more so with him in their ranks)....It is painful to "Know" with 1,000% certainty that had we kept him - whilst bringing in a creative genius like Carzola, and the battling of pods and the improving OX and Theo - we could so easily have challenged for the title not just 5th or 6th spot/s.
mcdowell42 wrote:The same wenger who at halftime in the manure game where we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal is hugging him and having laugh with him.Disgraceful
Too right McD...he should have been waiting for the players (ours) in the dressing room to inspire them 'somehow' and then be writing out his resignation....The world and hhis dog knew that if we sold rvanjudas manure would be odds on to win the title (even more so with him in their ranks)....It is painful to "Know" with 1,000% certainty that had we kept him - whilst bringing in a creative genius like Carzola, and the battling of pods and the improving OX and Theo - we could so easily have challenged for the title not just 5th or 6th spot/s.
I think thats a bit of a stretch- Mr Knows would still be playing that turgid 4-5-1 and wasting the talent he would have had at his disposal. I would suggest the Manchester clubs would still have too much for us but 3rd would have been possible as the chavs are extremely inconsistent.
A good manager would have been able to mount a title challenge with our squad including RVP but we dont have a good manager any more- no doubt he would play Messi at rightback and earmark Ronaldo for a role in the middle of the park.
Offside wrote:Congratulations Wenger. You've finally won a trophy. Shame it's for another club.
Thats the thing. By this interview I get the impression that Wenger actually feels like he gets some kind of vindication by RVP winning them the Prem. Like he already "knew".
Something like - I did it for you Ferguson. You couldn't do it without me. I won you the title.I've still got it
I feel hes actually looking for credit for ManU willing the league cause without the phonecall tohim and him sanctioning the move then they wouldn't be where they are.
Well Arsene it actially is all down toyou but you should be sacked for it not given some kind of disgusting vicarious credit.
Offside wrote:Congratulations Wenger. You've finally won a trophy. Shame it's for another club.
Thats the thing. By this interview I get the impression that Wenger actually feels like he gets some kind of vindication by RVP winning them the Prem. Like he already "knew".
Something like - I did it for you Ferguson. You couldn't do it without me. I won you the title.I've still got it
I feel hes actually looking for credit for ManU willing the league cause without the phonecall tohim and him sanctioning the move then they wouldn't be where they are.
Well Arsene it actially is all down toyou but you should be sacked for it not given some kind of disgusting vicarious credit.
That would tie in perfectly with his inabilty to mange our team these past 6 years...He's been gradually losing it for some time and so he would see rvp's sale as helping both manure and him......A case of winning a trophy by Munchausen Proxy...
A bit more serious than the illusionary defence though both part of the same illness.
FourFourTom @FourFourTom Tomorrow's Sunday Telegraph has the headline "Wenger: 'Fabregas will re-join Arsenal.'"
If it turns out to be true that he did say that, Then it seems obvious to me that he's lost it.
Why on earth would he want to come back to this circus?
augie wrote:Hlebby, when arseblogger comes out slating wenger for the remarks, and he reads them the same way as I did, then it tells you how bad those comments are cos he is one of the most pro wenger guys on the planet
On the other hand, referencing someone who you don't respect or you usually disagree with most of the time as 'back-up' to your point is almost incontrovertible proof that you're wrong this time!!
), but I prefer to read things in entirety and therefore hopefully in the right context ......
