MAN CITY THREAD

[1989]

Thank you SteveO. Mertesacker is a disgrace. He doesn't even ATTEMPT to win headers. All that fucking size and I saw Tevez beat him in the air despite the Hapless Fucking German having a good 15 inches on him. I remember saying he was good I feel clueless now. Another player who needs to get the fuck out of the club.

This is what pisses me off when people use this lame excuse about zonal vs man-to-man marking. It wouldn't matter with defenders like Koscielny and Mertesacker because they can't tackle or jump properly. Mertesacker is the worst kind of defender; a guy who loves to do all the easy bits and pieces stuff on the deck but who shits his fucking pants when bodies are flying around. The way Dzeko climbed over him in the second half and glanced that header wide, while the useless lump covered his face like a little girl in the crowd scared of getting hit by the ball.

Lets suppose we change to man-to-man marking. Mertesacker would still get outjumped for every set play, and Ligue Deux gave another great example of how well he does in man-to-man situations again today when faced with a physical player like Dzeko. That was pure comedy gold for their first goal. We'll add Dzeko to the list that includes Zamora, Kevin Davies, Jason Roberts and Zigic in exposing his complete lack of physicality

Change to man to man marking tomorrow with the same personnel and I fucking guarantee you that it wouldn't make a single difference (in fact their lack of one-to-one defending ability would probably mean we became even fucking worse defensively)

Indeed. Man to man doesn't work when your CB's are a bunch of fannies. I remember at Anfield earlier this season Mertesacker was "marking" Skrtel and when they took the corner he'd lost him completely. On the replay you see Skrtel give him a nudge and the big German pussy was gone.

[augie]

Steve O it is hard to disagree with most of what you have said but I am surprised that you make no mention of tv5 for their first goal He was appaling from the time he turned his back on the quick free kick right up to the part where he let milner run off him, turn and then bury it in the far corner. Fcuk me this is a seasoned international centre back displaying the level of ineptitude that you would expect from the likes of djouru and frankly that isnt good enough
What I will say though is that his performance improved somewhat and his commitment cannot be questioned today although I still believe that wilshere and sagna were far and away our best two players today.
Btw I wont go into the usual condemnation of diaby today (cos I dont see the point) but regardless of what position wenger plays him in, surely expecting him to pass to his team-mates isnt unreasonable ?

[SteveO 35]

Thank you SteveO. Mertesacker is a disgrace. He doesn't even ATTEMPT to win headers. All that fucking size and I saw Tevez beat him in the air despite the Hapless Fucking German having a good 15 inches on him. I remember saying he was good I feel clueless now. Another player who needs to get the fuck out of the club.

This is what pisses me off when people use this lame excuse about zonal vs man-to-man marking. It wouldn't matter with defenders like Koscielny and Mertesacker because they can't tackle or jump properly. Mertesacker is the worst kind of defender; a guy who loves to do all the easy bits and pieces stuff on the deck but who shits his fucking pants when bodies are flying around. The way Dzeko climbed over him in the second half and glanced that header wide, while the useless lump covered his face like a little girl in the crowd scared of getting hit by the ball.

Lets suppose we change to man-to-man marking. Mertesacker would still get outjumped for every set play, and Ligue Deux gave another great example of how well he does in man-to-man situations again today when faced with a physical player like Dzeko. That was pure comedy gold for their first goal. We'll add Dzeko to the list that includes Zamora, Kevin Davies, Jason Roberts and Zigic in exposing his complete lack of physicality

Change to man to man marking tomorrow with the same personnel and I fucking guarantee you that it wouldn't make a single difference (in fact their lack of one-to-one defending ability would probably mean we became even fucking worse defensively)

Indeed. Man to man doesn't work when your CB's are a bunch of fannies. I remember at Anfield earlier this season Mertesacker was "marking" Skrtel and when they took the corner he'd lost him completely. On the replay you see Skrtel give him a nudge and the big German pussy was gone.

Yep. Wondeful defending at the Liberty last weekend too letting Michu dink it over his head before embarrassing him in another one to one race to score their first.

The bloke is absolutely fucking shit. People use his number of caps for Germany as a defence. Well Emile Heskey has 70 odd - shall we sign him too

[Dan_85]

People use his number of caps for Germany as a defence. Well Emile Heskey has 70 odd - shall we sign him too

Don't let Wenger hear you say that!

[Bradywasking]

I think Kos red card was wrong, the reason being that I believe that Mike Dean allowed Tevez a chance to score before blowing the whistle and giving the penalty. Therefore City were not denied a scoring opportunity. Not that it makes a difference to our season . We will finish sixth, fifth at a push . Yeah we showed a bit of spirit in the second half, but the damage was done. We were clueless and leaderless after the red card, we moaned and griped at the ref at a time there should have been cool heads. Wilshire was our best player , but I feel in games like this his frustration rises so much he is a red card waiting to happen. Diaby's passing was dreadful, Walcott was ion the edge of the game and Carzola wasn't even close to the edge of it. Thought City were cynical and got away with a lot. But this is about Arsenal and we are as far or further away from being a top team as the table suggests.

[SteveO 35]

Steve O it is hard to disagree with most of what you have said but I am surprised that you make no mention of tv5 for their first goal He was appaling from the time he turned his back on the quick free kick right up to the part where he let milner run off him, turn and then bury it in the far corner. Fcuk me this is a seasoned international centre back displaying the level of ineptitude that you would expect from the likes of djouru and frankly that isnt good enough
What I will say though is that his performance improved somewhat and his commitment cannot be questioned today although I still believe that wilshere and sagna were far and away our best two players today.
Btw I wont go into the usual condemnation of diaby today (cos I dont see the point) but regardless of what position wenger plays him in, surely expecting him to pass to his team-mates isnt unreasonable ?

I don't disagree with what you say about Vermaelen for the first goal although the whole team including Gibbs need to have a long hard look at themselves for the way those attacks were pouring down the left hand side in that first half. My main point is that everybody blames TV5 all the time and pardons Mertesacker, something I fail to understand.

Diaby gave the ball away cheaply quite a few times - more than usual. I've already said I thought he was poor - but quite why Lord Wenger decides to bring back a bloke that has 60 mins reserve team football in almost 4 months into a CDM role against City with the best midfield in the league is beyond me....but then I haven't worked a single day in football

Agree on Wilshere - head and shoulders the best on the park for us, with honourable mention to Chesney. Thought he did all he could too

[kite]

Abou was shit - there I've said it. As soon as I knew he was playing in that fucking holding role, I knew it would be a mistake and it was. As usual when he was in the dangerous areas e.g. setting up Podolski in the first half he showed touches of pure class but he never ever will be a CDM and Lord Wenger is just going to ruin him along with many others.

At least Diaby made (by far) the most interceptions per minute of all players But I agree that he's better in the attacking role and btw I even agree that he could be an absolutely amazing player if he was played there and could manage to stay fit (you never know.. van Persie was injured for years, too - and suddenly managed to stay fit).

[augie]

Steve O I hope you dont mind me saying so but after reading a few of your posts on various threads tonight, it looks like you are a broken man Your criticism of diaby and tv5 in particular are so out of character for you that I am seriously concerned about your mental well being tonight - whatever you are thinking, dont do it mate.....we are all in this together

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

I was pretty dissalussioned with the way we were going in 2007. I was furious in 08. I was getting bored of being furious in 09. I was disheartened in 2010. I was miserable throughot 11. Now I just dont care. I dont fucking care anymore. The club doesnt tell us shit. They just want to swindle us for all our cash. They have done for the past decade but now the squad is fucking awful. Atleast in 10, 08, 06 and hell even 05 we actually played some nice on the eye football from time to time. Now we cant even keep the fucking ball let alone learn how to defend.

I could post all the names that Wenger has bought in the past 5 years that would make Martin Oneil look like a shroud spender but I just cant give a shit. I dont enjoy the way we play. I don't enjoy the false hope. I don't even know if I like football anymore. Football just seems to get uglier and uglier. I used to watch footy to get away from capitalist life not to embrace it.

[SteveO 35]

Steve O I hope you dont mind me saying so but after reading a few of your posts on various threads tonight, it looks like you are a broken man Your criticism of diaby and tv5 in particular are so out of character for you that I am seriously concerned about your mental well being tonight - whatever you are thinking, dont do it mate.....we are all in this together

I'm fine mate, honest

What pissed me off today was the lack of character. The way our little lost sheep wandered around for 30 mins after the sending off was unforgiveable for me. As I said, playing with 10 is tough....but it happens to lots of team and we should have had a nice boost by the missed penalty. But no, it was all sloping shoulders and 'woe is me' as watched a battering unfold. Can you imagine United at OT reacting like that to going down to 10 men. FFS - Chelsea were losing and down to 10 men in the Nou Camp, but they had a team full of leaders and experience and reacted with a 'thou shall not pass' attitude that use to be the hallmarks of Arsenal teams of the past. Seeing a team bereft of leadership and organisation when our Dear Leader makes remarks about 'captaincy is overplayed' is just driving me to fucking despair....and there is no end to it. I still believe we'll be stuck with this useless twat in charge beyond 2014 and the American bleeding the supporters dry.

[topgoon]

Always nice to see Mertesacker playing up front in the final 10mins of a game

Mike Dean yet another prima donna t**t of a ref. Koscielny's card was 50/50 some would give a yellow, others a red but in the 9th min of a game I am dying to see him do that at Old trafford ....bet he won't Hope Kompany's card get's rescinded as there's bo way that tackle was a red card.

Kos for F**ks sake, thought you would have learnt your lesson after the world's shittest,yet very expensive striker did you in the game against the Chavs. Try to win the ball and you are on safer ground. Stop playing f**king rugby in the penalty area.

Chesney had one of his better games, but why can he still not sort his kicking out.

Good old Jack, I will enjoy watching you play your heart out for The Arsenal for maybe another year or 2 whilst the other players go through the motions and will bid you good luck when you have to leave, because you are the only one who give's a f**k.

It's a BS rule to give the man of the match to the winning team as the best player in red or blue was clearly Jack.

Not looking forward to Swansea game.Michu is not as shit in front of goal as Tevez and Dzeko were today.

[topgoon]

Steve O I hope you dont mind me saying so but after reading a few of your posts on various threads tonight, it looks like you are a broken man Your criticism of diaby and tv5 in particular are so out of character for you that I am seriously concerned about your mental well being tonight - whatever you are thinking, dont do it mate.....we are all in this together

I'm fine mate, honest

What pissed me off today was the lack of character. The way our little lost sheep wandered around for 30 mins after the sending off was unforgiveable for me. As I said, playing with 10 is tough....but it happens to lots of team and we should have had a nice boost by the missed penalty. But no, it was all sloping shoulders and 'woe is me' as watched a battering unfold. Can you imagine United at OT reacting like that to going down to 10 men. FFS - Chelsea were losing and down to 10 men in the Nou Camp, but they had a team full of leaders and experience and reacted with a 'thou shall not pass' attitude that use to be the hallmarks of Arsenal teams of the past. Seeing a team bereft of leadership and organisation when our Dear Leader makes remarks about 'captaincy is overplayed' is just driving me to fucking despair....and there is no end to it. I still believe we'll be stuck with this useless twat in charge beyond 2014 and the American bleeding the supporters dry.

No offence but comparing Chelsea in the Nou camp to us right now is pointless. We did have leaders but other teams bought them. There was a leader out there but he didn't have the armband and wasn't a striker.

The rapist was shite as a leader last year as well, but being a deadly striker looking to get a contract with manure he could dig us out of a hole. If Jack was a striker we might get away with it but he isn't so we are f**ked.

[northbank123]

Steve O I hope you dont mind me saying so but after reading a few of your posts on various threads tonight, it looks like you are a broken man Your criticism of diaby and tv5 in particular are so out of character for you that I am seriously concerned about your mental well being tonight - whatever you are thinking, dont do it mate.....we are all in this together

I'm fine mate, honest

What pissed me off today was the lack of character. The way our little lost sheep wandered around for 30 mins after the sending off was unforgiveable for me. As I said, playing with 10 is tough....but it happens to lots of team and we should have had a nice boost by the missed penalty. But no, it was all sloping shoulders and 'woe is me' as watched a battering unfold. Can you imagine United at OT reacting like that to going down to 10 men. FFS - Chelsea were losing and down to 10 men in the Nou Camp, but they had a team full of leaders and experience and reacted with a 'thou shall not pass' attitude that use to be the hallmarks of Arsenal teams of the past. Seeing a team bereft of leadership and organisation when our Dear Leader makes remarks about 'captaincy is overplayed' is just driving me to fucking despair....and there is no end to it. I still believe we'll be stuck with this useless twat in charge beyond 2014 and the American bleeding the supporters dry.

SkySports harped on about how it was a spirited display and we looked like getting something to justify their bumper SUPER SUNDAY hype.

Truth was had we played like that with 11 men we'd have got hammered. We didn't look like scoring until the 90th minute.

[SteveO 35]

Steve O I hope you dont mind me saying so but after reading a few of your posts on various threads tonight, it looks like you are a broken man Your criticism of diaby and tv5 in particular are so out of character for you that I am seriously concerned about your mental well being tonight - whatever you are thinking, dont do it mate.....we are all in this together

I'm fine mate, honest

What pissed me off today was the lack of character. The way our little lost sheep wandered around for 30 mins after the sending off was unforgiveable for me. As I said, playing with 10 is tough....but it happens to lots of team and we should have had a nice boost by the missed penalty. But no, it was all sloping shoulders and 'woe is me' as watched a battering unfold. Can you imagine United at OT reacting like that to going down to 10 men. FFS - Chelsea were losing and down to 10 men in the Nou Camp, but they had a team full of leaders and experience and reacted with a 'thou shall not pass' attitude that use to be the hallmarks of Arsenal teams of the past. Seeing a team bereft of leadership and organisation when our Dear Leader makes remarks about 'captaincy is overplayed' is just driving me to fucking despair....and there is no end to it. I still believe we'll be stuck with this useless twat in charge beyond 2014 and the American bleeding the supporters dry.

No offence but comparing Chelsea in the Nou camp to us right now is pointless. We did have leaders but other teams bought them. There was a leader out there but he didn't have the armband and wasn't a striker.

The rapist was shite as a leader last year as well, but being a deadly striker looking to get a contract with manure he could dig us out of a hole. If Jack was a striker we might get away with it but he isn't so we are f**ked.

So basically you agree with me !

The lack of leaders compared to what we used to have is shocking. Look at that picture on the other thread where Lauren has got Neville by the neck, and Keown and co. were mass abusing Van Horseface. We were so fucking limp wristed when we went down to 10 men I felt physically sick. Wilshere and Vermaelen are the only ones with any sense of spirit

[topgoon]

No I'm saying we can't compare with those chavs we had better leaders we just sold them.

I would take Viera,Adams,Campbell,Lauren,Keown,DB10 and TH14 over anything those c**ts have to offer.

I forgot Lehmann. Chesney is a decent goalie but he gets let down by the team in front and lets them off the hook. He needs to shout at them, call them uselessc**ts, have a go at them because I can't see Lehmann letting his back 4 get away with the sh*t that lot get away with every week.