THE WENGER THREAD

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Thomas Rosicky represents everything that is wrong with our fucked up excuse for a club.

[northbank123]

Makes me sick that Rosicky got given a completely unmerited bumper new deal and Wenger doesn't even back him on the rare occasions that he's fit.

I had a quick look over arsenal.com and he hasn't been mentioned since Christmas. No idea if he's fit or what.

The squad is, again, one injury away from starting players who aren't good enough to even warm the bench.

He was on the bench against Southampton and was overlooked in favour of Ramsey and Gervinho in a game that was crying out for a player of his supposed talents. Can't find anything about him being injured today so presumably doesn't even make our depleted, piss-poor squad.

[A dallying Gus Caesar]

It don't matter who plays. It is all irrelevant. Whilst the great dictator remains we could have The Barca side at our disposal and AW would still find a way to mess up games. He a'int to be trusted anymore.

[markyp]

im at the point where im beyond getting wound up,its now just easier to laugh,Wenker is the biggest embarrassment ive ever known in 33 years as a gooner,the sad thing is that he is going to take us so far down that we wont ever get back up,he needs to go NOW!!

[ArsenalN5]

Thomas Rosicky represents everything that is wrong with our fucked up excuse for a club.

In what way?

[franksav63]

Thomas Rosicky represents everything that is wrong with our fucked up excuse for a club.

In what way?

I reckon he's trying to say that Rosicky first came here in a big fanfare, was semi-decent before being out on his arse for 2 years, came back was shit but then played how he should have been playing for 3 months last season, got his undeserved contract renewal, and has now reverted back to type!

[officepest]

Thomas Rosicky represents everything that is wrong with our fucked up excuse for a club.

In what way?

I reckon he's trying to say that Rosicky first came here in a big fanfare, was semi-decent before being out on his arse for 2 years, came back was shit but then played how he should have been playing for 3 months last season, got his undeserved contract renewal, and has now reverted back to type!

Rosicky's Arsenal career superbly summed up by Franksav.

[SteveO 35]

im at the point where im beyond getting wound up,its now just easier to laugh,Wenker is the biggest embarrassment ive ever known in 33 years as a gooner,the sad thing is that he is going to take us so far down that we wont ever get back up,he needs to go NOW!!

One of the saddest sights I ever witnessed in football was the season that Clough got Forest relegated. He wasn't everyone's cup of tea (least of all the FA's) but what he achieved at provincial clubs like Derby County and Nottingham Forest was nothing short of a miracle. I bet the Forest fans celebrating the glory of European Cup wins would have been aghast at the thought that just over a decade later that very same man would relegate the club he's taken to the summit of European football

Likewise, it pains me to see Wenger as a shadow of his former self. He is now ridiculed by the media and neutral fans that he had eating out of his palm 7-8 years ago. It really is very sad indeed.

[DB10GOONER]

Thomas Rosicky represents everything that is wrong with our fucked up excuse for a club.

In what way?

I reckon he's trying to say that Rosicky first came here in a big fanfare, was semi-decent before being out on his arse for 2 years, came back was shit but then played how he should have been playing for 3 months last season, got his undeserved contract renewal, and has now reverted back to type!

Perfect summation, Frank.

[DB10GOONER]

im at the point where im beyond getting wound up,its now just easier to laugh,Wenker is the biggest embarrassment ive ever known in 33 years as a gooner,the sad thing is that he is going to take us so far down that we wont ever get back up,he needs to go NOW!!

One of the saddest sights I ever witnessed in football was the season that Clough got Forest relegated. He wasn't everyone's cup of tea (least of all the FA's) but what he achieved at provincial clubs like Derby County and Nottingham Forest was nothing short of a miracle. I bet the Forest fans celebrating the glory of European Cup wins would have been aghast at the thought that just over a decade later that very same man would relegate the club he's taken to the summit of European football

Likewise, it pains me to see Wenger as a shadow of his former self. He is now ridiculed by the media and neutral fans that he had eating out of his palm 7-8 years ago. It really is very sad indeed.

Great post. In May 2004, if someone had said you will not win the PL again in (at least) the next 9 seasons I'd have thought they were being stupid. Sure, we might not win it every season, but surely we'd grab at least 2 or 3 out of those 9? Who'd have thunk it, huh?

The Clough example is a bit of a double edged sword, as his success was built during a very different time period when money wasn't as much of a factor (particularly regarding players wages) as it is today, but the example rings true on most levels. Particularly, regarding a great manager let stay way past his sell-by date and ultimately leading the club to failure...

As much as I loved and respected GG, I still rate Wenger as our greatest ever manager (just ahead of GG). But I've also never ever wanted an Arsenal manager gone as much as I now want Wenger gone. Sad really...

[augie]

Seriously this thread should be shut down by now - is there anybody out there that seriously still supports him ?

For the record GG will always be our best ever manager in my mind but I wont disagree that wenger was a great manager back in the day and it is sad to see him in his present guise but it is even sadder to see what he is doing to our club and nobody, regardless of what they have given to the club, is more important than the team itself.

Lock this fcuker down

[mcdowell42]

And lock the fucking transfer thread as well we aren't sign Ing anyone

[p206ab]

If somone didn't know that yet.
AW paid for Gervinho before he was even born

Not so far away from the “Parc des princes”, to be exact 8km or 15minutes to the east of Paris, there is a football story that has absolutely nothing to do with the glamor and the concentration of capital, power and talent one of the most ambitious clubs in Europe. There, at the Stade Sebastien Charlety stadium, home to the second Parisian club called Paris FC, who for decades inhabits deep in the shadow of Paris Saint Germain as though this club is actually derived from the suburbs of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the "Paris "really became only in 1970, when it was merged with Paris FC or PFC as a club is affectionately called by his few supporters. Paris FC is slipping to the third and the French Championnat National League and are affected with all the chronic problems of today's western clubs without real support. No money, no quality, no real interest. A PFC, which a few days ago, however, garnered some international attention after the arrival of former French coach Jacques Santini head of the club, and it carries an interesting story, which is written by an eccentric, innovator and visionary in football one. Meet Jean-Marc Guillou, a man who discovered Arsene WENGER in Cannes,1983 and has produced as many as 12 members of the Ivorian national team, which will be in a few weeks again played the role of the first favorite at the upcoming African Cup!


Wenger is the one with Fellaini's hair

Pact Guillou-Wenger has changed Ivory Coast forever.
The story begins back in 1983. Guillou, a former great quarterback, the French national team and in 1975 French Player of the Year, has met in Cannes no less interesting and daring named Arsene Wenger and enthroned him in the place of his assistant with a club that is subsequently sent to the world the legendary Zinedine Zidane. Guillou as a coach by no means created as glittering career as his former assistant, but with Arsenal manager woven a safety bond, which allowed him to develop their football story. Discovery, creation and learning players. Guillou prophetically sensed in the mid eighties that Africa is a gold mine of gems football, his thesis is substantiated by the successful acquisition of midfielder Youssef Fofane, which was one of the first African players who penetrated directly in the French football from the African continent. Fofane later became one of the best players of the French championships in Cannes and Monaco and Bordeaux, success assured Gillou that Africa has a potential.

Wenger provided funding for Guillou odyssey in Côte d'Ivoire, Guillou arrived in Africa in the early nineties and then in 1994 founded the first own football academy in capital Abidjan. His unique philosophy, which at first glance seems like a life mission, strives to produce not only football, but also to educate the whole person, or even personality. In its founding charter as it says: "Do not lie, do not cheat and do not steal." Missionary is the continuation of the fundamental postulates of the Academy, in which he Guillou leaned on the French philosopher of the 16th century Rabelais, who once said: " Science without conscience is the soul's perdition." The motto of the Academy is in accordance with the doctrine of Rabelais: "You will be great if you learn how to stay short.

Football players or students as called by Guillou, live in a strict regime at the academy, with solidarity, discipline and learning. Anyone who does not pass school exams, is late to the training and classes, and behaves inappropriately, regardless of their talent has no place in the academy. Although the above terminology seems appropriate to the mission or any correctional center with sports hinterland, the academy JMG (Jean-Marc Guillou) today takes blame for footballers such as Yaya Toure, Kolo Toure, Gervinho, Emmanuel Ebou, Salomon Kalou, Tiene Siaki and all those who are now members of most stellar teams in Africa. Or in other words - here have grown all the best players in the Ivory Coast with the exception of Didier Drogba, who left Abidjan when he was five and moved to his uncle in France.

No shoes, pads or goalkeeper.
That modesty, solidarity and discipline academy foundation we already know, but now it's time to get to know her in essence, football of course. Football players – which are carefully selected to Academy between age 9 and 11, educational process that runs from seven to nine years – begin to play football in African way. Barefoot, and without the shields, which is a specialty, with no goalkeeper. In such a way to develop skills with the ball, become more resistant to pain and the fact that between the goalposts there is no one to catch balls, they become careful, responsible and caring. All for one, one for all, if you like.

Aesthetics and technical knowledge are the ultimate goal
If the above is written seems to JMG Academy as a military camp, which produces Guillou football warriors, it is necessary doctrine Academy skip to the page that describes what should be the final product. Values to which to strive Guillou Academy graduates are as follows:

- Respect all elements of football: the game, the players, the referees, rules
- Generosity of the game: each player gives the team, the club and the entire staff to either their "gift" in the form of effort, energy and talent.
- The beauty of the game and its aesthetics, originating from technical finesse, skill and personality of each player
- Intelligence in terms of tactical approach to individual and team game
- Respect for human limitations, whereas sport is conceived so as to reach the border, is not exceeded.

The Academy, which is based on education, innovative approach to the game and striving for technical and tactical perfection, by 2001 gave remarkable results. Ivory Coast coach Sabri Lamouchi to the African Cup of Nations in South Africa drove many as 12 "graduates" Guillou Academy goalkeeper Copa Barry and Badro Do Sangare, defender Kolo Touré, Emmanuel Eboue, Siaka Tiene, Arthur Boka and Igor Lolo, midfielders Didier Zokora, Yaya Touré, and the attackers Solomon Kalou and Gervinho, from the same flock, ASEC Mimosesa, but also stemmed Lacina Traore and Didier Ya Konan, who arrived after Guillou left. Twelve members of strong team "Elephants" has a very unique common denominator: total football education and same spiritual father.

[franksav63]

If somone didn't know that yet.
AW paid for Gervinho before he was even born

Not so far away from the “Parc des princes”, to be exact 8km or 15minutes to the east of Paris, there is a football story that has absolutely nothing to do with the glamor and the concentration of capital, power and talent one of the most ambitious clubs in Europe. There, at the Stade Sebastien Charlety stadium, home to the second Parisian club called Paris FC, who for decades inhabits deep in the shadow of Paris Saint Germain as though this club is actually derived from the suburbs of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the "Paris "really became only in 1970, when it was merged with Paris FC or PFC as a club is affectionately called by his few supporters. Paris FC is slipping to the third and the French Championnat National League and are affected with all the chronic problems of today's western clubs without real support. No money, no quality, no real interest. A PFC, which a few days ago, however, garnered some international attention after the arrival of former French coach Jacques Santini head of the club, and it carries an interesting story, which is written by an eccentric, innovator and visionary in football one. Meet Jean-Marc Guillou, a man who discovered Arsene WENGER in Cannes,1983 and has produced as many as 12 members of the Ivorian national team, which will be in a few weeks again played the role of the first favorite at the upcoming African Cup!


Wenger is the one with Fellaini's hair

Pact Guillou-Wenger has changed Ivory Coast forever.
The story begins back in 1983. Guillou, a former great quarterback, the French national team and in 1975 French Player of the Year, has met in Cannes no less interesting and daring named Arsene Wenger and enthroned him in the place of his assistant with a club that is subsequently sent to the world the legendary Zinedine Zidane. Guillou as a coach by no means created as glittering career as his former assistant, but with Arsenal manager woven a safety bond, which allowed him to develop their football story. Discovery, creation and learning players. Guillou prophetically sensed in the mid eighties that Africa is a gold mine of gems football, his thesis is substantiated by the successful acquisition of midfielder Youssef Fofane, which was one of the first African players who penetrated directly in the French football from the African continent. Fofane later became one of the best players of the French championships in Cannes and Monaco and Bordeaux, success assured Gillou that Africa has a potential.

Wenger provided funding for Guillou odyssey in Côte d'Ivoire, Guillou arrived in Africa in the early nineties and then in 1994 founded the first own football academy in capital Abidjan. His unique philosophy, which at first glance seems like a life mission, strives to produce not only football, but also to educate the whole person, or even personality. In its founding charter as it says: "Do not lie, do not cheat and do not steal." Missionary is the continuation of the fundamental postulates of the Academy, in which he Guillou leaned on the French philosopher of the 16th century Rabelais, who once said: " Science without conscience is the soul's perdition." The motto of the Academy is in accordance with the doctrine of Rabelais: "You will be great if you learn how to stay short.

Football players or students as called by Guillou, live in a strict regime at the academy, with solidarity, discipline and learning. Anyone who does not pass school exams, is late to the training and classes, and behaves inappropriately, regardless of their talent has no place in the academy. Although the above terminology seems appropriate to the mission or any correctional center with sports hinterland, the academy JMG (Jean-Marc Guillou) today takes blame for footballers such as Yaya Toure, Kolo Toure, Gervinho, Emmanuel Ebou, Salomon Kalou, Tiene Siaki and all those who are now members of most stellar teams in Africa. Or in other words - here have grown all the best players in the Ivory Coast with the exception of Didier Drogba, who left Abidjan when he was five and moved to his uncle in France.

No shoes, pads or goalkeeper.
That modesty, solidarity and discipline academy foundation we already know, but now it's time to get to know her in essence, football of course. Football players – which are carefully selected to Academy between age 9 and 11, educational process that runs from seven to nine years – begin to play football in African way. Barefoot, and without the shields, which is a specialty, with no goalkeeper. In such a way to develop skills with the ball, become more resistant to pain and the fact that between the goalposts there is no one to catch balls, they become careful, responsible and caring. All for one, one for all, if you like.

Aesthetics and technical knowledge are the ultimate goal
If the above is written seems to JMG Academy as a military camp, which produces Guillou football warriors, it is necessary doctrine Academy skip to the page that describes what should be the final product. Values to which to strive Guillou Academy graduates are as follows:

- Respect all elements of football: the game, the players, the referees, rules
- Generosity of the game: each player gives the team, the club and the entire staff to either their "gift" in the form of effort, energy and talent.
- The beauty of the game and its aesthetics, originating from technical finesse, skill and personality of each player
- Intelligence in terms of tactical approach to individual and team game
- Respect for human limitations, whereas sport is conceived so as to reach the border, is not exceeded.

The Academy, which is based on education, innovative approach to the game and striving for technical and tactical perfection, by 2001 gave remarkable results. Ivory Coast coach Sabri Lamouchi to the African Cup of Nations in South Africa drove many as 12 "graduates" Guillou Academy goalkeeper Copa Barry and Badro Do Sangare, defender Kolo Touré, Emmanuel Eboue, Siaka Tiene, Arthur Boka and Igor Lolo, midfielders Didier Zokora, Yaya Touré, and the attackers Solomon Kalou and Gervinho, from the same flock, ASEC Mimosesa, but also stemmed Lacina Traore and Didier Ya Konan, who arrived after Guillou left. Twelve members of strong team "Elephants" has a very unique common denominator: total football education and same spiritual father.

Explains quite alot this, Wenger was probably even involved in his conception!!

[TeeCee]

certainly explains his obsession with Africans!!