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biglunn wrote:They are out there.!

http://www.arsenal-land.co.uk
Couldn't read too much of it because it drives me insane, had to stop reading when I saw some guy fervently defending the wage structure. "Would you rather have two or three players on £200k a week and the rest on £20-30k?"

a) Yes, at least we'd have a few quality players and the rest would be hungry then.
b) Bearing in mind we pay basically the same wages as United (when you remove performance-related bonuses especially), does the bloke think they pay Rooney and van Persie huge wages and then Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Hernandez, Valencia, Nani, Young, Scholes, Giggs etc etc are all on £20-30k a week? No, they just don't have 100-odd players on their books, and they don't have squad/fringe/useless players on £40-50k.

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northbank123 wrote: Couldn't read too much of it because it drives me insane, had to stop reading when I saw some guy fervently defending the wage structure. "Would you rather have two or three players on £200k a week and the rest on £20-30k?"
Yes, because it would have to work to extremes like that wouldn't it? How thick are some people. Name me any other club in world football that has 2 or 3 players on that money and the rest on 20-30k....err, nobody.

Its a bit like the other argument when it comes to spending wisely in the transfer market along the lines of "I wouldn't want us to become the next Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers/Leicester" - because it really does have to be that extreme doesn't it. Black or white, no shades of grey. Either spend absolutely fuck all, or dare to spend £20m on a quality striker from available cash reserves approaching £100m, and suddenly "Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be Peter Ridsdale"

I genuinely welcome folk on here that come forward with well constructed arguments defending Wenger, the board, whichever player they like etc.....but anyone tripping out that hackneyed old bollocks about becoming the next Portsmouth needs to learn how to read a set of fucking accounts and grow up, ditto the argument you mentioned about one player on 200k and the rest on 20k.

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northbank123 wrote: Couldn't read too much of it because it drives me insane, had to stop reading when I saw some guy fervently defending the wage structure. "Would you rather have two or three players on £200k a week and the rest on £20-30k?"
Yes, because it would have to work to extremes like that wouldn't it? How thick are some people. Name me any other club in world football that has 2 or 3 players on that money and the rest on 20-30k....err, nobody.

Its a bit like the other argument when it comes to spending wisely in the transfer market along the lines of "I wouldn't want us to become the next Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers/Leicester" - because it really does have to be that extreme doesn't it. Black or white, no shades of grey. Either spend absolutely fuck all, or dare to spend £20m on a quality striker from available cash reserves approaching £100m, and suddenly "Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be Peter Ridsdale"

I genuinely welcome folk on here that come forward with well constructed arguments defending Wenger, the board, whichever player they like etc.....but anyone tripping out that hackneyed old bollocks about becoming the next Portsmouth needs to learn how to read a set of fucking accounts and grow up, ditto the argument you mentioned about one player on 200k and the rest on 20k.
It really is crazy the stuff some people have regressed into relying on. Another bloke had posted something along the lines of the fans assume that recent signings are shit just because they're not Messi, Falcao or Ronaldo.

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Really!? Wenger claims he can't spend big because Arsenal squad is TOO GOOD!

By John Cross | 15 Jan 2013 22:30

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ms-1536089

Arsene Wenger has claimed there are NO players available in the winter transfer window who can improve his current squad.

Despite Arsenal falling 21 points behind leaders Manchester United the Gunners manager revealed he is finding it hard to spend the club's substantial transfer kitty.

Wenger said: "It has become more difficult for one simple reason: We have a good squad. I know we swim against the stream a bit because people don't believe that. I say we have a very good squad."

Wenger, who has already admitted he has the money to "spend big", saw his side's devastating defeat to Manchester City on Sunday leave his team out of the European places.

The Arsenal chief's remarks are unlikely to please fed-up Gunners fans who want new signings, especially with high ticket prices and one fans' group calling for him to change his philosophy or go.



Wenger said: "We have some improvements to make and we know exactly where. In January it is difficult to find the players that are really better and can give something special to the squad.

"The number is right. We have a good balance. We are working very hard to find what we want.

"We are working very hard. First of all we want to sort out the injuries we have, and we are trying very hard to close the deal with (Theo) Walcott. Once we have done that, we will certainly do something else. At the moment I cannot tell you more."

Meanwhile, key midfielder Mikel Arteta, as we revealed yesterday, is going to be back from injury quicker than the three weeks initially anticipated.

Wenger added: "Arteta's injury could be shorter than three weeks because it's a minor calf strain. It's a light grade one so it could be quicker than three weeks.

"Mikel Arteta is an important player. First of all, he's a good player, a tactically intelligent player, and a winner. He has three important qualities that you miss when you don't have him."

Not sure if these stories are entirely true, but again Arsene citing the biggest problem being that the players he has are so good that it's hard to find anyone better to improve the squad.

But one strange thing is his priority setting.... Firstly he needs to 'sort out the injuries' (is he now a member of the medical staff personally going to 'fix' his players?). The Secondly he wants to 'sort out Theos contract'. And only then (probably on the last day of the transfer window) would he consider looking for players. He probably has to find time to work for French TV too!

Wenger seems to have an awful lot to say during this very busy critical time of the season when games are being played every 3-4 days!

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biglunn wrote:
Not sure if these stories are entirely true, but again Arsene citing the biggest problem being that the players he has are so good that it's hard to find anyone better to improve the squad.

But one strange thing is his priority setting.... Firstly he needs to 'sort out the injuries' (is he now a member of the medical staff personally going to 'fix' his players?). The Secondly he wants to 'sort out Theos contract'. And only then (probably on the last day of the transfer window) would he consider looking for players. He probably has to find time to work for French TV too!

Wenger seems to have an awful lot to say during this very busy critical time of the season when games are being played every 3-4 days!
I believe the quotes are true, why? Because he has said the same thing every single transfer window since 2007. Go back to the transfer rumour thread and myself and others were predicting that come mid-January we'd hear how hard the club is working on targets, and how there isn't any value to be found in January, and that there are no better players available than what we have already.

Its all so utterly predictable and it will be happening this Summer and next January as he will be presiding over those transfer windows too

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... ut-not-yet

Wenger - I will rest Wilshere, but not yet

Whilst we're on the subject of predictability, we all know when this rest will come which will be in either the 4th or 5th round of the FA Cup if we're fortunate enough to win through tonight and/or at Brighton. The 4th round comes after the League games against Chelsea and West Ham and before Liverpool, and the 5th round comes when the Might As Well Be Virtual Trophy For All The Fucking Chance We Have Of Winning It starts again in February.

We wouldn't want the FA Cup getting in the way of the dream scenario of 4th place or one additional round of prize money from UEFA now would we

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northbank123 wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
northbank123 wrote: Couldn't read too much of it because it drives me insane, had to stop reading when I saw some guy fervently defending the wage structure. "Would you rather have two or three players on £200k a week and the rest on £20-30k?"
Yes, because it would have to work to extremes like that wouldn't it? How thick are some people. Name me any other club in world football that has 2 or 3 players on that money and the rest on 20-30k....err, nobody.

Its a bit like the other argument when it comes to spending wisely in the transfer market along the lines of "I wouldn't want us to become the next Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers/Leicester" - because it really does have to be that extreme doesn't it. Black or white, no shades of grey. Either spend absolutely fuck all, or dare to spend £20m on a quality striker from available cash reserves approaching £100m, and suddenly "Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be Peter Ridsdale"

I genuinely welcome folk on here that come forward with well constructed arguments defending Wenger, the board, whichever player they like etc.....but anyone tripping out that hackneyed old bollocks about becoming the next Portsmouth needs to learn how to read a set of fucking accounts and grow up, ditto the argument you mentioned about one player on 200k and the rest on 20k.
It really is crazy the stuff some people have regressed into relying on. Another bloke had posted something along the lines of the fans assume that recent signings are shit just because they're not Messi, Falcao or Ronaldo.
Agreed 100% with both of you. It drives me nuts when you try to discuss sanely why Wenger's failings year after year to properly strengthen the squad has cost us trophies and you get hit with bollocks like "Do you want us to become the next Leeds or Portsmouth or Rangers?" or "So you want us to go out and spend £150 million on new players". Where has anyone ever actually said they want us to do that? I'd be fucking horrified if he pissed that much away on players in the current market and economy.

I've said for years the problem is not the money available to Wenger, the problem is how he has mis-spent that money on improved contracts and huge (undeserved) wages and pay-rises for rubbish (and/or unproven or average) players like Almunia, Vela, Flappy, Legohead, Song, Chamakh, Comedy Eboue, Ramsey, FrimpSong, Manonne, etc etc etc.

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Heres the latest from the office of Our Glorious Leader Kim Il Weng

“It is pure football. It is where the fate and destiny of teams are decided. Sometimes it is a cold night out in London or a place like Sheffield but that is where the team has to turn up to win the game.”

That was Arsène Wenger talking about FA Cup third-round replays.

Funnily enough the Frenchman was introduced to the world’s oldest knockout competition with a couple of repeat ties back at the start of his Arsenal career.

In January 1997, Dennis Bergkamp lit up a replay win at Roker Park with classic curler against Sunderland. A year later it needed 220 minutes and penalties to dispatch Port Vale in a classic third-round affair.

With a respectful nod in the direction of Preston North End (a) the following year and Leeds United (h) in 2011, it is as close as Wenger’s Arsenal have come to the earliest exit.

But their opponents on Wednesday are expecting to test that record to the limit.

Swansea City are no longer a surprise package in the Premier League. They have been playing so well for so long that they have shaken the tag.

Part of their exalted reputation was built by the 2-0 win at Emirates Stadium in early December. They snatched a similar victory at Chelsea last week in the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg. If they can complete the job in a fortnight and reach their first major Wembley final then few will be overly surprised.

We are becoming familiar with Michael Laudrup’s squad now but it has taken time. His team would have hardly troubled the headline writers when they arrived in Wales but now it is different. For example this was Wenger’s reaction to Swansea this week bringing in another unknown attacking player from Spanish football - Roland Lamah.

“Yes, everybody will look at him now, of course,” he said. “Once you have one or two success stories, people expect every time that you bring in a world-class player.

“They have done quality work and they have found Michu and Chico Flores, who have done exceptionally well, De Guzman too. They have done very good scouting.

“But what has changed during the years is that the television money has become so big for the English clubs that Swansea and teams who have at the start a lower potential, can buy in from 80 per cent of the clubs in Italy and Spain. That was not possible before.

“Swansea could not buy a player from Sevilla, or in clubs like that. But today it is possible.”

But excellent foreign imports are not the whole story and the Welsh side do not just have a team, they have a squad. So when they have had to rely on those outside the main XI, there has been a response. For example, in the first tie at the Liberty Stadium, striker Danny Graham grabbed a late equaliser in a relatively rare start and Kyle Bartley acquitted himself well in only his second game since his summer move from Arsenal.

“Kyle had been on loan, he had been playing at Rangers, he has played in many games so he wanted absolutely to play,” said Wenger, explaining the move. “Therefore we sold him because he was in a position where we had six centre backs with Iggy Miguel, Squillaci, Vermaelen, Mertesacker, [Djourou] and Koscielny. When the guys cannot get the games at some stage they have to go.”

The last of those will be missing on Wednesday due to the red card he collected in the early stages against Manchester City. Tomas Rosicky (calf), Mikel Arteta (calf) and Lukas Fabianski complete the injury list but nothing is long term.

However Arsenal fixtures are a treadmill until February - Swansea (h), Chelsea (a), West Ham (h), hopefully Brighton (a) and Liverpool (h) inside 15 days. The manager expects some manoeuvring on the team sheet but not much.

“At the back, we have not much [opportunity for] turnover, especially in central defence,” he said.

“I believe there will be a certain stability because of a desire to put things right. There might be some changes but I will try to have a good mixture between stability and freshness. We have to go for it.”

Despite the sending off, Wenger was unhappy with the manner of the goals conceded against Manchester City on Sunday as Arsenal lost their first Premier League game since that Swansea defeat.

He had earlier spoken of his side being “timid” and lacking “authority” on the day. The fans stuck by their side after a desperate first half and may have contributed to their team’s mini-revival after the break.

Wenger wants the fans to repeat the feat on Wednesday in a game now pivotal to Arsenal’s potential this season but he knows the responsibilities remain on the pitch not off it.

“I want us to please the fans, not the other way round,” said the 63-year-old. “But the fans can have a positive input and help the team on that front.

“I felt they were good on Sunday. They were with us until the end. I’m still convinced that we would not have lost that game if it was 11 against 11.

“But it was like that and you cannot fault the fans. We want to transform our desire into a positive attitude and that’s what is at stake.

“In the end you just want to win a football game,” he concluded. “We just lost one on Sunday that meant a lot to us.

“What we want now is to come back to a winning habit. It's our next game and we want to win straight away again.”

Team news

Arsenal: Arteta (calf), Rosicky (calf), Fabianski (ankle)



Oh look Rosicknote is injured again :banghead:

Seriously though I cant believe he let Kyle Bartley go but kept the useless Squiddy and Djourou. I mean he did alright in his loan spell at Rangers and was at least physically strong enough to mix it in the SPL- surely worth a shot ahead of the dross and perhaps even the German who cant jump.

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Write Guardiola off your next manager list, he just signed with the ones who will kick us out of CL in a month.

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p206ab wrote:Write Guardiola off your next manager list, he just signed with the ones who will kick us out of CL in a month.
Not surprised by this. If Wenger departed at the end of the season, I would have bet that he seriously would have considered coming here.

Shows that he has something to prove without being financed by oil barons.

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and if he didn't come to the club and bring stability? We'd B relegated

This tweeted by someone called lindo :roll: talking about our saviour

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p206ab wrote:Write Guardiola off your next manager list, he just signed with the ones who will kick us out of CL in a month.
He was never on the list - one meeting with Kroenke and Gazidis would have seen to that and he was always going to sign for someone this year and Lord Wenger is going nowhere until at least the following Summer. Can't believe anyone realistically expected us to get Guardiola. Honestly, we've more hope of signing Messi

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Don't be so sure though SteveO. I think this is all a plan that has been secretly worked out by Arsene and Pep which will ultimately end up with Arsene 'retiring' in 2016 and Pep taking over the reins. :shock: :?

Bearing in mind that both you and I know that Wenger is going to get his contract extension (can't wait for the party this summer!! :barscarf: ), there wouldn't be a vacancy at his preferred club Arsenal for Guardiola to come immediately back in to, following his sabbattical. Therefore Wenger gets two or three years more to see if his 'project' will work, while Pep takes the Bayern job in the interim and then gets to fulfill his destiny in 2016 when the frenchman steps down - be it voluntarily or forcibly. :barscarf: :barscarf: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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I Hate Hleb wrote:Don't be so sure though SteveO. I think this is all a plan that has been secretly worked out by Arsene and Pep which will ultimately end up with Arsene 'retiring' in 2016 and Pep taking over the reins. :shock: :?

Bearing in mind that both you and I know that Wenger is going to get his contract extension (can't wait for the party this summer!! :barscarf: ), there wouldn't be a vacancy at his preferred club Arsenal for Guardiola to come immediately back in to, following his sabbattical. Therefore Wenger gets two or three years more to see if his 'project' will work, while Pep takes the Bayern job in the interim and then gets to fulfill his destiny in 2016 when the frenchman steps down - be it voluntarily or forcibly. :barscarf: :barscarf: :lol: :lol: :wink:
Me too mate......Rodders's "I <3 AW" T-shirt has arrived and the Away Boyz have got it in their diary

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SteveO 35 wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:Don't be so sure though SteveO. I think this is all a plan that has been secretly worked out by Arsene and Pep which will ultimately end up with Arsene 'retiring' in 2016 and Pep taking over the reins. :shock: :?

Bearing in mind that both you and I know that Wenger is going to get his contract extension (can't wait for the party this summer!! :barscarf: ), there wouldn't be a vacancy at his preferred club Arsenal for Guardiola to come immediately back in to, following his sabbattical. Therefore Wenger gets two or three years more to see if his 'project' will work, while Pep takes the Bayern job in the interim and then gets to fulfill his destiny in 2016 when the frenchman steps down - be it voluntarily or forcibly. :barscarf: :barscarf: :lol: :lol: :wink:
Me too mate......Rodders's "I <3 AW" T-shirt has arrived and the Away Boyz have got it in their diary

:barscarf: :barscarf:
Rodders is less than three Arsene Wengers? :rubchin:

I should fucking hope so! Otherwise he'd be a seriously fat bastard on a biblical par with the much maligned and badly missed Percy Dalton! :lol: :wink:

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