As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Wengerballs wrote:I'm certain that the only thing that will get rid of him is if we finish below 5th and don't win any cups so that there is no European football at all next season.
Our soulless, waxwork majority owner Stan Kroenke clearly has no passion whatsoever for on the pitch glory apart from how that translates into securing the bottom line financially. I strongly suspect the bottom line financially will probably tolerate a season or two in the Europa league, from both the Corporate and (sadly) the modern fan base side, hence I think Wenger will be retained as long as he gets us into Europa League football at least, and assuming Wenger wants to stay. But no European football of any kind next season and he will be gone burger for sure.
6th is looking like a real possibility actually, especially if Arteta remains crocked. I can't see the spuds falling to pieces as badly as they did last year. Can see Everton dropping away but Liverpool are looking like they might go on a good run now.
Wenger will decide when he is going to leave, he will never get sacked at Arsenal. If he did, I think that (although warranted IMO) there would be an uprising of dissent from fans including some people who want shot of him (not on this forum though ). The best that one can hope for is that he walks at the end of the season which I doubt that he is going to do unless we finish in 7th.
West Ham still on general sale. FA Cup sold out albeit with many empty seats. I think that Hodgson was sacked for more no shows. Could this be a start of a trend? I can't remember this happening before under Wenger.
OneBardGooner wrote:Thing is flash, Wenger was given the same freedom by the board and look at the state we're in....so I would ere on the side of caution...let the new manager coach / manage the team - but all other things transfers etc etc etc should be left to those who know what they are doing...I think the word 'Delegate' comes to mind...and that is something wenker cannot do....he's so paranoid of someone usurping him and his authority.
I understand what you are saying but the point i was getting at is if Wenger is 'upstairs' then it may well hamper the freedom that a new boss needs to out the crap and get his own back room staff and players in. We need a complete break from Wenger when he eventually goes
Chippy wrote:Another brilliant one for the scrapbook
[quote:] 'These players care as much [as the likes of Adams, Henry], maybe even more' http://www.arsenal.com/digest #AFCvWHU
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They care so much that they get affected by fans booing them when they have a poor performance. Awww, poor sensitive multi-millionaire footballers.....
Yep, I could see how much they cared at Old Trafford. Stuffed out of sight for 90 minutes and our left back was only interested in swapping shirts and the rest of them were happy to smile and laugh with RvP after he'd fucked us over
Caring is what Keown, Lauren and others showed at OT when the Horsefaced *word censored* missed a penalty
Santos would probably have commiserated with RvP if he'd missed one
SteveO 35 wrote:Yep, I could see how much they cared at Old Trafford. Stuffed out of sight for 90 minutes and our left back was only interested in swapping shirts and the rest of them were happy to smile and laugh with RvP after he'd fucked us over
Caring is what Keown, Lauren and others showed at OT when the Horsefaced *word censored* missed a penalty
Santos would probably have commiserated with RvP if he'd missed one
Did anyone see Santos throwing a snowball at whoever our other crap sub was on Sunday when we were 2-1 down with about 15 minutes to go? Total focus! And what about the players who didn’t even know the rules of the competition when on 90 minutes in the Carling Cup game against Reading they went to give their shirts to fans thinking the game was over. Maybe only very small things but a sign of how disengaged these players are.
SteveO 35 wrote:Yep, I could see how much they cared at Old Trafford. Stuffed out of sight for 90 minutes and our left back was only interested in swapping shirts and the rest of them were happy to smile and laugh with RvP after he'd fucked us over
Caring is what Keown, Lauren and others showed at OT when the Horsefaced *word censored* missed a penalty
Santos would probably have commiserated with RvP if he'd missed one
Did anyone see Santos throwing a snowball at whoever our other crap sub was on Sunday when we were 2-1 down with about 15 minutes to go? Total focus! And what about the players who didn’t even know the rules of the competition when on 90 minutes in the Carling Cup game against Reading they went to give their shirts to fans thinking the game was over. Maybe only very small things but a sign of how disengaged these players are.
I didn't see that with Santos but it doesn't surprise me. The guy seems to take a pride in taking over Eboue's Mr Comedy role. The thick twat comes out in the paper apologising to 'my Gunners fans' (where ever the fuck they might be?) after the shirt swapping bollocks and follows it up by dicking around when we're losing to another rival club. I hate the bloke with every fucking bone in my body and if I had the money would pay off his contract myself and transport the fucker to whichever shitebag club feels deserving of his special talents
Chippy wrote:Another brilliant one for the scrapbook
[quote:] 'These players care as much [as the likes of Adams, Henry], maybe even more' http://www.arsenal.com/digest #AFCvWHU
Well in that case you have to ask: if the determination is there; the ability - according to Wenger, as he's always claiming they are great players - is there; the spirit and mental strength is there, and this is the best squad he's ever had, why the fuck are we sitting in 6th and 20 odd points off the top? Perhaps it's down to the manager?
When questioned about the rumoured cards on the table meeting with the players yesterday wenger responded by saying that such matters should stay within the club and not for public and media discussion - what he then went on to say, and I find this both hilarious and hypocritical, is that media and fans have a right to judge only on what they see on the pitch This coming from a guy that treats the fans with contempt and has in the past told the world that fans don't know what they are on about when they criticise him or the team
augie wrote:When questioned about the rumoured cards on the table meeting with the players yesterday wenger responded by saying that such matters should stay within the club and not for public and media discussion - what he then went on to say, and I find this both hilarious and hypocritical, is that media and fans have a right to judge only on what they see on the pitch This coming from a guy that treats the fans with contempt and has in the past told the world that fans don't know what they are on about when they criticise him or the team
Fine by me because what I'm seeing is a team on a par with West Brom and Swansea, closer in points terms to QPR than Manchester United, playing slow paced tippy tappy shite for at least 45 minutes of every game, failing to register a shot on goal for over an hour on numerous occasions, without a striker worthy of the name in a sterile system that has tried and failed for 4 years
is that enough in terms of what I see on the pitch ?
augie wrote:When questioned about the rumoured cards on the table meeting with the players yesterday wenger responded by saying that such matters should stay within the club and not for public and media discussion - what he then went on to say, and I find this both hilarious and hypocritical, is that media and fans have a right to judge only on what they see on the pitch This coming from a guy that treats the fans with contempt and has in the past told the world that fans don't know what they are on about when they criticise him or the team
Fine by me because what I'm seeing is a team on a par with West Brom and Swansea, closer in points terms to QPR than Manchester United, playing slow paced tippy tappy shite for at least 45 minutes of every game, failing to register a shot on goal for over an hour on numerous occasions, without a striker worthy of the name in a sterile system that has tried and failed for 4 years
is that enough in terms of what I see on the pitch ?
Apparently your opinion counts for shit cos you haven't worked half a day in football Mind you considering your views on diaby, I think wenger might actually be right in this instance
augie wrote:When questioned about the rumoured cards on the table meeting with the players yesterday wenger responded by saying that such matters should stay within the club and not for public and media discussion - what he then went on to say, and I find this both hilarious and hypocritical, is that media and fans have a right to judge only on what they see on the pitch This coming from a guy that treats the fans with contempt and has in the past told the world that fans don't know what they are on about when they criticise him or the team
Condescending old bastard or forgetful senile old bastard? either way he's still a bastard.
Very interesting listening to Gary Neville talking on SSN about the 'unforgiving' dressing room at OT and the level of accountability in there. The reference was to David de Gea who Fergie is rumoured to be livid with and considering selling. He's not even been there for 2 years yet and is only 22. He's already dropped him on occasions for Lindegaard. The fella actually had a pretty good game at WHL and made some quality saves in the second half but the mistake for the goal is seemingly one too many (fuck me compared to Flappy's mistakes that one almost went unnoticed)
Compare and contrast that to our place. Chesney is a similar age, has no competition for his first team place whatsoever regardless of balls-ups he's made along the way. I don't want Chesney out btw.....I like him. But at United his place in the first team would be under threat and he could possibly be on the way out.
When you consider the mistakes we've put with from Al, Flappy, Mannone-kokey, and to a lesser extent Chesney and how long they were/have been retained, it highlights the difference in mentality
Ferguson was fuming at finishing 2nd on goal difference last season so went out and signed one of the top strikers in Europe. We were delighted at qualifying for the CL on the final day of the season then sold our best striker and signed a pile of shite
To think that Wenger once went toe-to-toe with Ferguson. Its almost as if he's had a personality and brain transplant since those days
SteveO 35 wrote:Very interesting listening to Gary Neville talking on SSN about the 'unforgiving' dressing room at OT and the level of accountability in there. The reference was to David de Gea who Fergie is rumoured to be livid with and considering selling. He's not even been there for 2 years yet and is only 22. He's already dropped him on occasions for Lindegaard. The fella actually had a pretty good game at WHL and made some quality saves in the second half but the mistake for the goal is seemingly one too many (fuck me compared to Flappy's mistakes that one almost went unnoticed)
Compare and contrast that to our place. Chesney is a similar age, has no competition for his first team place whatsoever regardless of balls-ups he's made along the way. I don't want Chesney out btw.....I like him. But at United his place in the first team would be under threat and he could possibly be on the way out.
When you consider the mistakes we've put with from Al, Flappy, Mannone-kokey, and to a lesser extent Chesney and how long they were/have been retained, it highlights the difference in mentality
Ferguson was fuming at finishing 2nd on goal difference last season so went out and signed one of the top strikers in Europe. We were delighted at qualifying for the CL on the final day of the season then sold our best striker and signed a pile of shite
To think that Wenger once went toe-to-toe with Ferguson. Its almost as if he's had a personality and brain transplant since those days
I know it's been done to death, but we should never under estimate how big a part the players Wenker inherited played in the success he had. We had the famous back four and Seaman. The backbone of the team which allowed Wenker to play the style of attacking football he wanted, because we could always rely on them at the back. Wenker has never managed to bring in anyone of their quality in his years at Arsenal (and I include Sol in that estimation)
We had Bergkamp and Wright who had already formed a great understanding on the field.
And even in midfield we had battlers and experience in Parlour and Platt.
Wenker inherited a very good squad, a squad which also had fighters and leaders all over the pitch.
One thing seems now almost certain and that is, he will eventually leave us, a much weaker team than the one he inherited.
SteveO 35 wrote:Yep, I could see how much they cared at Old Trafford. Stuffed out of sight for 90 minutes and our left back was only interested in swapping shirts and the rest of them were happy to smile and laugh with RvP after he'd fucked us over
Caring is what Keown, Lauren and others showed at OT when the Horsefaced *word censored* missed a penalty
Santos would probably have commiserated with RvP if he'd missed one
Did anyone see Santos throwing a snowball at whoever our other crap sub was on Sunday when we were 2-1 down with about 15 minutes to go? Total focus! And what about the players who didn’t even know the rules of the competition when on 90 minutes in the Carling Cup game against Reading they went to give their shirts to fans thinking the game was over. Maybe only very small things but a sign of how disengaged these players are.
Santos is a little short for Wednesday after damaging his shoulder in a snowball fight.
). The best that one can hope for is that he walks at the end of the season which I doubt that he is going to do unless we finish in 7th. 
