A Tough Choice ??

[topgoon]

Santos. Useless fat t**t. He was embarassing yesterday. We have a few days to get rid of this waste of space. See if some sh**e turkish team might.......oh ummm never mind.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

People saying ''to compare the two is ridiculous'' but not once did I read OBG say to compare them. It is just a general question of if you had a choice to get rid of just one who would it be? Based on their own individual performances for their own individual positions, for me it has to be Ramsey.

He has been terrible for well over a year now and is getting worse. Not even showing any sign of improvement. Santos is fucking woeful, I know but he's not picked that often and we have more chance of getting shot of him than we do Ramsey because he seems to be a Wenger lovechild.

Ramsey will NEVER live up to what he was like prior his injury and like the way of Eduardo he has lost his confidence on the pitch and needs a move. Eduardo was no where NEAR that bad when he came back into the game and always seemed a threat. Ramsey can't even pass to his own team mates from 6 yards.

[ThomasMitchell]

Santos is not a regular feature in the team and therefore is less of a problem for me. He was shocking yesterday but I am guessing that even the blinkered Wenger could see that and we will not see Santos again too often in an Arsenal shirt. The bigger issue at the Club is players like Ramsey - simply not good enough yet on big new contracts and staying around for many years to come, thus ensuring that we will never move forward as a Club (or at least until Wenger goes). So my vote went to Ramsey (based on the original question Santos versus Ramsey).

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

If we're just going on who's the biggest wanker/worst player then it's Santos for me, by a mile. At least with old Headson Arantes do Nascimental there's the chance that we might inadvertently benefit from the pinball chaos that ensues whenever the ball's at his feet. If he doesn't even know what he's attempting to do how can the opposition.

Plus with Gervinho I rarely get the impression he's not bothered. It's more like his brain sends out instructions to his feet in one language, but his feet speak another and by the time they've run the instructions through google translate it comes out all muddled. Santos on the other hand has Arshavin's attitude without any of the (latent ) talent.

It's a good point by Thomas Mitchell though about who the biggest liability is in practical terms. In which case I'd say Gervinho. Wenger's just as likely to find a way of squeezing him into the side as Ramsey, and he's the worse player imo. We really are blessed to have these sort of selection dilemmas though.

[ThomasMitchell]

If we're just going on who's the biggest wanker/worst player then it's Santos for me, by a mile. At least with old Headson Arantes do Nascimental there's the chance that we might inadvertently benefit from the pinball chaos that ensues whenever the ball's at his feet. If he doesn't even know what he's attempting to do how can the opposition.

Plus with Gervinho I rarely get the impression he's not bothered. It's more like his brain sends out instructions to his feet in one language, but his feet speak another and by the time they've run the instructions through google translate it comes out all muddled. Santos on the other hand has Arshavin's attitude without any of the (latent ) talent.

It's a good point by Thomas Mitchell though about who the biggest liability is in practical terms. In which case I'd say Gervinho. Wenger's just as likely to find a way of squeezing him into the side as Ramsey, and he's the worse player imo. We really are blessed to have these sort of selection dilemmas though.

[rodders999]

Fat Boy. Regardless of how little game time he gets, the very fact he's at our club makes my heart ache. The president of Fenerbache must still be laughing himself silly when he thinks back to the day Tunip phoned him up and offered 6 million quid for the useless prick

[dPmunky]

Not going to really "defend" gervinho or ramsey but i will say that there have been times with both of them that i havent wanted to rip my face off because of their traditionally poor performances. but santos is in a league of his own, and that league is league 2....in the U.S......and even then, he's a reserve squad member. AWFUL

[markyp]

i was a fan of Ramsey,not so much now as he's looked pretty crap at times,however i do feel that Ramseys biggest probem is Wenker,had he joined utd im pretty sure he'd be a decent midfielder now,never at the level of a Viera or Petit but certainly as good as Gilberto.unfortunately he is now just another player that our socialist dictator has ruined

[Perryashburtongroves]

Santos every time. He is just utter shit, irredeemable and sums up the state of this club over the last few years. of the other two, Gervinho is shit but not as bad as fatty Santos and Ramsey I think would do well under a manager that knows about tactics, coaching and how to make players better.

[QuartzGooner]

An easy choice for me.

Santos.

Awful at left back, terrible positional sense though can tackle, and has a thing or two about him in midfield.
But simply not the kind of signing we should have made, seems overweight, unmotivated and ill-disciplined.

Gervinho is horribly erratic and not a striker, and I would hope we can move him on in the summer. Flashes of excellence with much longer periods of player looking out of his depth. I think he is simply not cut out for our league, but would perform better back in France.
A £1M squad player masquerading as the £10M star we bought.

Ramsey is very frustrating. Injury problems no fault of his own, but I still wonder just what his position is meant to be? He seems so unconfident wherever he plays.
I really want him to make it.
I really thought he could be similar to Gerrard with powerful charges on goal but it just has not happened for him.
That said, he seems to be one of Arsene's favourites, is young and has a long contract, so business-wise we have little to lose by giving him another season to see what he can make of himself.

[Justinsaid]

Has too be Santos, he is beyond awful. He is unfit, poor defensively and when he does go forward, lacks desire to get back when the attacking move breaks down. He was a desperation signing and is just not good enough to play for Arsenal, he needs to be shipped out.

As for the others, Ramsey is frustrating, he is obviously very talented but has a knack of slowing our attacks down and misplacing one too many easy passes, that said our fans are far to quick to jump on him every time he makes a little mistake. I think he is still young and definitely has the potential to take his game on as he was showing signs of doing before his horrific leg break. Plus he is still a decent squad player.

Contrary to popular opinion I quite like Gervinho, he is unpredictable and has the ability to create a chance out of nothing, plus he is an excellent finisher. He is frustrating to watch because he does make some poor decisions on the pitch, and is very hesitant to play the easy pass.

[markyp]

Has too be Santos, he is beyond awful. He is unfit, poor defensively and when he does go forward, lacks desire to get back when the attacking move breaks down. He was a desperation signing and is just not good enough to play for Arsenal, he needs to be shipped out.

As for the others, Ramsey is frustrating, he is obviously very talented but has a knack of slowing our attacks down and misplacing one too many easy passes, that said our fans are far to quick to jump on him every time he makes a little mistake. I think he is still young and definitely has the potential to take his game on as he was showing signs of doing before his horrific leg break. Plus he is still a decent squad player.

Contrary to popular opinion I quite like Gervinho, he is unpredictable and has the ability to create a chance out of nothing, plus he is an excellent finisher. He is frustrating to watch because he does make some poor decisions on the pitch, and is very hesitant to play the easy pass.

must be a differant Gervinho to the one that plays for us then??

[Justinsaid]

Has too be Santos, he is beyond awful. He is unfit, poor defensively and when he does go forward, lacks desire to get back when the attacking move breaks down. He was a desperation signing and is just not good enough to play for Arsenal, he needs to be shipped out.

As for the others, Ramsey is frustrating, he is obviously very talented but has a knack of slowing our attacks down and misplacing one too many easy passes, that said our fans are far to quick to jump on him every time he makes a little mistake. I think he is still young and definitely has the potential to take his game on as he was showing signs of doing before his horrific leg break. Plus he is still a decent squad player.

Contrary to popular opinion I quite like Gervinho, he is unpredictable and has the ability to create a chance out of nothing, plus he is an excellent finisher. He is frustrating to watch because he does make some poor decisions on the pitch, and is very hesitant to play the easy pass.

must be a differant Gervinho to the one that plays for us then??

I just think he gives us something different, yes he is horribly inconsistent but has the potential to score a goal out of nothing. How many players do we have with the capability of doing that?

[ThomasMitchell]

Has too be Santos, he is beyond awful. He is unfit, poor defensively and when he does go forward, lacks desire to get back when the attacking move breaks down. He was a desperation signing and is just not good enough to play for Arsenal, he needs to be shipped out.

As for the others, Ramsey is frustrating, he is obviously very talented but has a knack of slowing our attacks down and misplacing one too many easy passes, that said our fans are far to quick to jump on him every time he makes a little mistake. I think he is still young and definitely has the potential to take his game on as he was showing signs of doing before his horrific leg break. Plus he is still a decent squad player.

Contrary to popular opinion I quite like Gervinho, he is unpredictable and has the ability to create a chance out of nothing, plus he is an excellent finisher. He is frustrating to watch because he does make some poor decisions on the pitch, and is very hesitant to play the easy pass.

This bit is a joke, right?

[Justinsaid]

Contrary to popular opinion I quite like Gervinho, he is unpredictable and has the ability to create a chance out of nothing, plus he is an excellent finisher. .

This bit is a joke, right?

No im 100% serious which is why it started with 'contrary to popular opinion'