THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

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Didn't we (wenker) match the fee that the mancs paid for Smalling ? - but got rejected by the player

Didn't we (wenker) match the fee that the mancs paid for Jones ? - but got rejected by the player

Didn't we (wenker) according to Bob Wilson - who I would say is as honest as they come, bid a "huge amount" for Reina some 2/3 years ago.


So, at face value, the board have backed the manager with £ over the last few years when "super quality" players are targeted, so not spending would appear to be down to him not being able to find anyone better than our "best ever squad" :roll: :roll:

(and I didn't even mention the £30m Goetze bid :lol: )

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georgeknows89 wrote:
You are advocating that new manager same board will all be hunky dory and he will spend wiser and better and will be rosy in the garden but it wont be as we will get a wenger clone or a kronkite puppet and the overall cautious spending strategy
will leave us deeper in the wilderness.
How on earth you construe the above from what I actually wrote is quite beyond me.......
armchair supporter wrote:When "Mr. New" comes in who knows? But it will be different. It will be change. For the better? I certaintly hope so.
Anyway, there are so many issues that are so obviously Wenger related and not board related, some of which I've posted above and many others have posted numerous times that are out there and glaringly obvious.

There is room for both views. It is not mutually exclusive.
The BSM give a voice to those who have concerns that the problems at the Arsenal lie primarily at board level. They have said they are not anti-Wenger which, while I agree with their aims and objectives for me ignores the elephant in the room.
Then there are those like me, who believe that problems at Arsenal lie primarily with Wenger. Yes there may be problems upstairs but for me this is Wengers baby. He started the youth "project" and it has failed miserably.

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Anybody else getting pissed off with people posting the same story as if they're the first? As Mrs Brown might say "Read the fecking thread!" or at least the previous couple of pages.

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StuartL wrote:Didn't we (wenker) match the fee that the mancs paid for Smalling ? - but got rejected by the player

Didn't we (wenker) match the fee that the mancs paid for Jones ? - but got rejected by the player

Didn't we (wenker) according to Bob Wilson - who I would say is as honest as they come, bid a "huge amount" for Reina some 2/3 years ago.


So, at face value, the board have backed the manager with £ over the last few years when "super quality" players are targeted, so not spending would appear to be down to him not being able to find anyone better than our "best ever squad" :roll: :roll:

(and I didn't even mention the £30m Goetze bid :lol: )
Stu, we can only go by what we see with our own eyes and consistently it has been put out that theres a "war chest". Consistently Wenger hasn't used it even saying that if he had 100 mill he would "give it back"
But its not only the money. Its the other things that can only be attributed to the manager. The lack of coaching. The tippy tappy aimless shit. The neverending goalkeeping situation. Gervinho. Th pre-defined subs. The insults, arrogance. The failure to compete etc, etc.......

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armchair supporter wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:With respect to everyone, I take what Wenger or the board say about things with a pinch of salt.

The evidence shows we have bundles of cash in the bank, but owe a lot on the stadium, and have a number of squad players on high wages.

Wenger is to blame for how the money is spent, the board are responsible for how much Wenger gets to spend in the main, with the qualification that they cannot force Wenger to spend.
I agree Quartz. The fact that Wenger sits in on board meetings and they leave these matters to him due to his past success (both in terms of trophys and value for money) only re-enforces the view that Wenger is responsible for where Arsenal are today,

look at the board members. I dont see that any of them have a clue about on-pitch footballing matters,
I agree to a point.

Wenger is primarily responsible for much of what the club does, but his total budget is set by the board.

There is a suspicion that the Arshavin deal was done without his say so, an isolated case though. That view is propogated by Myles Palmer on arsenalnewsreview, though if true I think it might have been a case of Gazidis proposing and making the deal, but Wenger having the final veto. I cannot believe the signing could have been done without any input at all from Wenger?

As for the board members' knowledge, one or two of them will have acquired knowledge along the way.

Ken Friar surely has picked up a thing or two over the years?

Richard Carr has been involved in the youth academy and it's precursors for many years, though I think he has no input at all into the first team squad. There was an interview with him in the Alex Fynn book about the Arsenal v Spurs rivalry "The Great Divide" published 12 years ago.

Peter Hill-Wood is probably sharper than he makes out, I suspect that his public image of a "bumbling old duffer" is part linked to nervousness about public speaking, part age, and part an act to throw people off the scent?

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georgeknows - Wenger has spent most of the last decade moaning about clubs spending money, he would never start spending even if he was given a war chest. There are several well-known quotes that back this up.

Tbh I agree with what you say that Wenger isn't the only problem - even with a change of manager we'd still be overperforming to be challenging with City and United consistently.

But it's fucking patronising for you to tell people that they'd only know Wenger wasn't the right man for the job if we changed owners. I guess people aren't able to make their mind up based on decades (in particular the last 7 years) of watching The Arsenal?

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northbank123 wrote:georgeknows - Wenger has spent most of the last decade moaning about clubs spending money, he would never start spending even if he was given a war chest. There are several well-known quotes that back this up.

Tbh I agree with what you say that Wenger isn't the only problem - even with a change of manager we'd still be overperforming to be challenging with City and United consistently.

But it's fucking patronising for you to tell people that they'd only know Wenger wasn't the right man for the job if we changed owners. I guess people aren't able to make their mind up based on decades (in particular the last 7 years) of watching The Arsenal?
For me, it is inconceivable that the board is really going to make a massive bit of difference when they are replaced whereas replacing Wenger probably will make a large difference. The board are a conservative lot who are interested in having the club tick along according to the owner's wishes. In that instance, they are doing a great job and replacing them will just replace them with someone else who is conservative with their approach. I'd expect that Kroenke would expect no less.

Wenger's job is to ensure that we are winning on the pitch, but more recently, he has been harping on and on about finances and this should not be his mandate. I believe that someone on here said it or someone did, but he seems to more about being an ambassador to football rather than focusing on what his job is or he is spreading himself far too thin. I believe that he takes great pleasure out of developing players, but sooner or later you have to win things, especially at a so called big club. I believe that Fabregas summed it up “But then you cannot make the final step and it is here where a decision has to be made: to go out to win or to develop players.” I

Also, replacing the board will just make Wengerites turn their attention to other things to blame rather than focus on their infallible leader.

I think that if Wenger walked, then Gazidis would probably fill that void with traditional football people rather than just one man. If you have seen his activities since taking charge, I would bet that he would relish the opportunity to fill Wenger's post with someone credible. I can't see him handing that over to Wenger to decide.

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Usmanov denies saying that Henry told him to buy the club.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... senal.html

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QuartzGooner wrote:Usmanov denies saying that Henry told him to buy the club.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... senal.html
Strange this. The first story claimed Usmanov was asked by Henry to try and buy Arsenal out-right, yet the so called retraction is only Usmanov saying that Henry didn't tell him to buy shares in the club originally. Surely two different things? :? :?

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Premier League clubs have voted overwhelmingly for spending controls including financial fair play and restrictions on salary increases, West Ham's co-owner David Gold today confirmed.

Full details of the agreement will be announced by the Premier League later this afternoon but Gold said that the proposals for controls had received the backing of the majority of top-flight chairmen.

He said: "We have all voted and it was overwhelmingly supported, not by all the clubs - some are a little concerned - but the vast majority of the clubs voted in favour."

It will be the first top-flight European league to bring in such a system, but it is expected to be less hard-hitting than UEFA's financial fair play (FFP) scheme, which comes into force next season, in that it will allow club owners to cover significant losses.

Clubs will also be restricted by how much they will be allowed to increase their wage bills.

Gold added: "It's not a salary cap, it's a restraint on over-spending. It's not a cap - it's a restraint.

"If clubs increase their revenues then they can increase their spending.

"We have got restraint, that's the important thing.

"What's driving the whole thing is we've got to avoid another Portsmouth."

Under FFP, clubs are limited to spending what they earn but with some flexibility to allow owners to cover losses by injecting more cash into the club, although not in the form of loans.

At today's meeting, the chairmen were presented with a proposal for owners to be allowed to cover losses up to £105million over a three-year period.

That is significantly more flexible that UEFA's which only allows losses of 45million euro (£39million) over three years to be covered by owners.

The Premier League's announcement of the exact details this afternoon will confirm exactly what room for manoeuvre the clubs will have.

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Not actually that surprising that Chelsea weren't strongly opposed to the increase on wage cap because they've already set their ridiculous level of expenditure. In a way it benefits teams like Chelsea and City because it will prevent others from doing the same as they have.

And £105m losses in 3 years - some fucking self-restraint, especially considering these faux sponsorship deals etc.

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I like the hypocrisy and pissing in the wind. Sums it up.

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"Clubs will also be restricted by how much they will be allowed to increase their wage bills".....so on the verge of entering into the new bumper tv deal, the clubs are now trying to reduce the players slice of that pie - seeing as the players are the attraction that brings in these huge tv money deals, it hardly makes sense to squeeze the cash cow :roll: At least when all the top quality players get pissed off and fcuk off to spain where they will get better wages, we will return to the good old days when the "geoff thomas's" of the english game return to rule the roost again :roll: :banghead:

Have said it before but will say it again.....if we are not to win the league in the next 10 years then I hope citeeh and their arab money dominate the english game throughout that time - manure had no interest in bringing in these rules when they were the rich club until the chavs took over that mantle and the chavs were happy with the pecking order until they were then trumped by dubai money and these clubs are all self serving hypocritical c**ts who dont give a flying fcuk about the state of the english game unless it infringes on their successes :evil: :evil: :evil:

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augie wrote:"Clubs will also be restricted by how much they will be allowed to increase their wage bills".....so on the verge of entering into the new bumper tv deal, the clubs are now trying to reduce the players slice of that pie - seeing as the players are the attraction that brings in these huge tv money deals, it hardly makes sense to squeeze the cash cow :roll: At least when all the top quality players get pissed off and fcuk off to spain where they will get better wages, we will return to the good old days when the "geoff thomas's" of the english game return to rule the roost again :roll: :banghead:

Have said it before but will say it again.....if we are not to win the league in the next 10 years then I hope citeeh and their arab money dominate the english game throughout that time - manure had no interest in bringing in these rules when they were the rich club until the chavs took over that mantle and the chavs were happy with the pecking order until they were then trumped by dubai money and these clubs are all self serving hypocritical c**ts who dont give a flying fcuk about the state of the english game unless it infringes on their successes :evil: :evil: :evil:

HURRAH, in a fucking nutshell

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augie wrote:"Clubs will also be restricted by how much they will be allowed to increase their wage bills".....so on the verge of entering into the new bumper tv deal, the clubs are now trying to reduce the players slice of that pie - seeing as the players are the attraction that brings in these huge tv money deals, it hardly makes sense to squeeze the cash cow :roll: At least when all the top quality players get pissed off and fcuk off to spain where they will get better wages, we will return to the good old days when the "geoff thomas's" of the english game return to rule the roost again :roll: :banghead:

Have said it before but will say it again.....if we are not to win the league in the next 10 years then I hope citeeh and their arab money dominate the english game throughout that time - manure had no interest in bringing in these rules when they were the rich club until the chavs took over that mantle and the chavs were happy with the pecking order until they were then trumped by dubai money and these clubs are all self serving hypocritical c**ts who dont give a flying fcuk about the state of the english game unless it infringes on their successes :evil: :evil: :evil:
Agreed 100%.

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