Would wenger be successful in pastures new?

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Would wenger be successful in pastures new?

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So if the majority of people got their wish and wenger left say at the end of the season, could you see him going on to more glory (ala 98-04) or just continue in his recent trend and fizzle out in obscurity?

The reason I ask is because I had a dream, well more a nightmare, where he left after guiding us to a 5th place finish and took over from the sacked Mancini! He promptly went on to win the league as we slipped further down the league.

I always thought he'd go to France, psg etc if he ever left and continued to manage. How weird would it be to see him manage in the prem with another club.

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Yeah @ Leyton fuckin' Orient

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To be honest, I think there's a lot of managers who would have a good chance of winning the league with City. Given the players they have I don't think it would be hugely difficult. The main obstacle to overcome is of course Fergie and you'd have to hope that Utd have a bit of a dodgy season by their standards. Certainly Wenger could go there and win the title but I kinda think it'd be despite Wenger, not because of him. Imagine he went to Barca and won La Liga, would we all be hailing him as a managerial genius?

Would he be successful in pastures new? It depends what kinda team he inherits. At PSG, yes I think he would be successful for the first few years. It's once the already established team starts to break up and he begins to rebuild around his fucked up ideology, whilst everyone else powers past him, that things will go to shit.

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The thing is, Wenger won't go anywhere where there are expectations of winning trophies. He knows his limitations really. He won't manage City, United, Chelsea, Madrid, Barca because all of those clubs owners DEMAND success. Wenger can't deliver and he knows it. Even PSG won't take him because they are not interested in making money or doing things on a shoestring, they want to break into Europe's elite inner circle!
So Wenger will go to a nobody and will do nothing.

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He might have success if he goes to a club with comparatively little resources and expectation. He would be able to attract players out of the clubs' range because of who he is, and to be fair his appointment would galvanise the current players and fans.

But I don't think he would succeed in a job with resources and expectancy because frankly achievements and success aren't his top priorities. Besides, he would never take such a job. PSG or Madrid? HA.

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He would be fairly successful in international football where money and contracts don't matter. I've thought for years that he would be best suited to running a youth development programme coaching under 16s-21s probably somewhere in France or West Africa as those are the only places that he seems to know anything about.

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If you define success by having a healthy balance sheet, a self sustaining business model and a rising share value then yes he will be a big success elsewhere :roll: I suppose in hindsight HMV should have approached him to take over their business a long time ago

Anyway to give your question a serious answer, can I just say that I dont give a flying fcuk where he goes and how he gets on as long as he gets the fcuk out of our club :evil: :evil:

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Perryashburtongroves wrote:He would be fairly successful in international football where money and contracts don't matter. I've thought for years that he would be best suited to running a youth development programme coaching under 16s-21s probably somewhere in France or West Africa as those are the only places that he seems to know anything about.
Running a youth development programme in West Africa doesn't pay £7.5m per year don't ya know! :roll: :lol:

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He'd be a relative success if he went to a team with limited expectations, he wouldn't get the time at another top club. I'm pretty sure we are his last job as a coach though, whenever he leaves his next position will be a director of football type role.

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I know one thing for sure..we would have far more chance of being successful if he fucked off..the amount of money he has pissed away on shite recruits these last few years is scandalous :banghead: No other club in the world bar maybe City have more wage leeches on the books/out on loan than us,the man is a fucking clown.

In answer to the question..no would he fuck :roll: he would employ shite/no tactics and buy more shite wherever he went,only difference is he would get the bag a lot quicker elsewhere..

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I cannot see him going to another English club.
But maybe America?
Or probably a Director of Football at PSG.

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Wenger is yesterday's man.The signings of Chamakh Park Squillaci Santos and Gervinho in the last two years prove that.At any other top club in Europe he would have been shown the door a long time ago.

The only job he would be a success in is a manager of a bank

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He might do. A new club, a new job... it might clear his perspective a bit. :|

If anything I think part of the problem with Wenger at Arsenal post-2006 is he is too wrapped up in the club, he is too much of an "Arsenal man" (at least in his own mind) and feels this is his club, he rebuilt it from the bottom up. He is too involved in the financial side and this has been to the detriment of the footballing side. If he was at a different club where he wouldn't have that power/input etc then he might concentrate on the football again. But then the question is "Could he go to a club like that"? I doubt it, he has tasted total power and it would be hard to then go somewhere where you have to answer for your actions or inactions.

There can be a fine line between a dedicated manager and a egomaniacal dictator and Wenger is on the unhealthy side of that line.

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donaldo wrote:Wenger is yesterday's man.The signings of Chamakh Park Squillaci Santos and Gervinho in the last two years prove that.At any other top club in Europe he would have been shown the door a long time ago.

The only job he would be a success in is a manager of a bank
I agree they have proven to be poor signings but that's only half the story, isn't it? They cost about £20M odd for all of them which in todays game that isn't really much - that would be just about enough for a nice breakfast for Frank Lampard. It's also offset by the good players like Wilshire, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott (to some extent), Cazorla etc that have been brought through or into the club. Wenger still has the ability to create £20M+ footballers which is seen as a possitive thing in todays game and whilst he's still able to do that he will be held in high regard.

I think Wenger would be a success at the right club. I would agree that he would never be suited to the silly pressures of City, Chelsea etc though. I don't think PSG have reached that level yet being in the French league. They will no doubt win the league each season with very little competition.

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kiwomya wrote:
donaldo wrote:Wenger is yesterday's man.The signings of Chamakh Park Squillaci Santos and Gervinho in the last two years prove that.At any other top club in Europe he would have been shown the door a long time ago.

The only job he would be a success in is a manager of a bank
I agree they have proven to be poor signings but that's only half the story, isn't it? They cost about £20M odd for all of them which in todays game that isn't really much - that would be just about enough for a nice breakfast for Frank Lampard. It's also offset by the good players like Wilshire, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott (to some extent), Cazorla etc that have been brought through or into the club. Wenger still has the ability to create £20M+ footballers which is seen as a possitive thing in todays game and whilst he's still able to do that he will be held in high regard.

I think Wenger would be a success at the right club. I would agree that he would never be suited to the silly pressures of City, Chelsea etc though. I don't think PSG have reached that level yet being in the French league. They will no doubt win the league each season with very little competition.
Could have probably come up with better examples than that though! Cazorla is a very good player but cost nearly £20m. The fee and wages we spent on waiting for Walcott to come good has exceeded £20m easily. Probably going to be likewise with the Ox. Wilshere fair enough, but then how much credit are you going to apportion to the manager for someone that was picked up and brought through by other coaches from the age of 9? Not saying the manager doesn't have a hand in his development at all but it was pretty clear from the first few Carling Cup appearances that he was a special player.

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