Would wenger be successful in pastures new?

[kiwomya]

Do we really need to give Wenger credit when other signings within 18 months of Theo in similar positions included Joe Cole (£6.6m), Arjen Robben (£12m) and Cristiano Ronaldo (£12m)? All young players, all reasonable fees (and resale value) and players who were doing the business whilst Theo scored 9 league goals in 4 and a half seasons.

We verbally agreed a deal with C Ronaldo, but he chose to go to Mancs.

I was aware there was some history behind it. I wasn't necessarily saying those were the players we should have signed though (although they are, especially the latter two) - the point I was making is that I don't think we should be applauding Wenger for investing so much time and money in a 16-year old when other young but talented options were available at reasonable prices.

I understand you're point but isn't Theo at least 6 years younger than all three of those players? Some people do forget Theo is only 23. He's not going to be one of the best in the world like Ronaldo but he's still got years to offer the club.

[shu]

So if the majority of people got their wish and wenger left say at the end of the season, could you see him going on to more glory (ala 98-04) or just continue in his recent trend and fizzle out in obscurity?

The reason I ask is because I had a dream, well more a nightmare, where he left after guiding us to a 5th place finish and took over from the sacked Mancini! He promptly went on to win the league as we slipped further down the league.

I always thought he'd go to France, psg etc if he ever left and continued to manage. How weird would it be to see him manage in the prem with another club.

A really good post and although unlikely the city thing in theory could happen . I don't know how i would think about that but seeing him on the touchline would never match the feelings i have when i see RVP playing and scoring for manure. How the feck that was ever allowed to happen !!!!!

[rodders999]

Arsene Wenger will never coach a team to a trophy ever again, whether it be The Arsenal or The Wheel Tappers & Shunters second IX. He is a has been.

[I Hate Hleb]

Not so sure rodders. I can see him taking over a good side with a strong and experienced dressing room (say, Real Madrid) where the players basically take control of what goes on when they're on the pitch ( a bit like Wenger's early days at Arsenal) and where Wenger has minimal tactical influence - initially at least.

We might also win the FA Cup or CL this season.

[northbank123]

Arsene Wenger will never coach a team to a trophy ever again, whether it be The Arsenal or The Wheel Tappers & Shunters second IX. He is a has been.

To be fair mate that's a fairly difficult league to win, fielding 9 players is only going to make it worse

[northbank123]

Do we really need to give Wenger credit when other signings within 18 months of Theo in similar positions included Joe Cole (£6.6m), Arjen Robben (£12m) and Cristiano Ronaldo (£12m)? All young players, all reasonable fees (and resale value) and players who were doing the business whilst Theo scored 9 league goals in 4 and a half seasons.

We verbally agreed a deal with C Ronaldo, but he chose to go to Mancs.

I was aware there was some history behind it. I wasn't necessarily saying those were the players we should have signed though (although they are, especially the latter two) - the point I was making is that I don't think we should be applauding Wenger for investing so much time and money in a 16-year old when other young but talented options were available at reasonable prices.

I understand you're point but isn't Theo at least 6 years younger than all three of those players? Some people do forget Theo is only 23. He's not going to be one of the best in the world like Ronaldo but he's still got years to offer the club.

Yeah I agree that Theo has a few years (or a decade nearly) on some of those players and SHOULD continue to improve but my basic point is that did we need to invest so much time in a 16-year old when we could have signed someone a few years older who could have added something to the squad 2006-2010 whilst Walcott was doing nothing? Walcott has come good now and I'm glad he's our player but fucking hell could we have done with someone to get some goals in the last third of the 2007/08 season.

[rodders999]

Arsene Wenger will never coach a team to a trophy ever again, whether it be The Arsenal or The Wheel Tappers & Shunters second IX. He is a has been.

To be fair mate that's a fairly difficult league to win, fielding 9 players is only going to make it worse

7 of whom are pissed

[rodders999]

Not so sure rodders. I can see him taking over a good side with a strong and experienced dressing room (say, Real Madrid) where the players basically take control of what goes on when they're on the pitch ( a bit like Wenger's early days at Arsenal) and where Wenger has minimal tactical influence - initially at least.

We might also win the FA Cup or CL this season.

He wouldn't last 6 months at Madrid or any other top club more interested in winning trophies over turning a profit. We might win the FA Cup, we might win the Champs League. I might shag Jennifer Lawerence and you might front an anti drugs campaing. Who knows eh??!!

[I Hate Hleb]

Well on the plus side, 3 of the 4 options are at least 'possible' to some extent or another!!

[flash gunner]

Well on the plus side, 3 of the 4 options are at least 'possible' to some extent or another!!

Yeah i heard Rodders was an ugly bastard

[begeegs]

I think that at a new club, Wenger will do well. I think that his methods at a new club that has already been schooled in defensive organization (like Madrid), he would be a good coach. I don't think that he is finished and would have loads of offers if he found himself out of work as a coach at a top club. If Benitez can land a job at a CL club like Chelsea, then certainly Wenger would have the pick of the available lot.

I think that a lot of people here are harsh in thinking that he is a relic. He's still a good manager and I agree with Flash that it has just gone stale here. He lost his ruthlessness and gotten too close to players that he has nurtured that he should have cut ties with. That being said, shipping Santos off quick and replacing not only him, but an injury prone Gibbs got him some credit in my eyes - if only he could see the same with Diaby (and others) now.

Tactics haven't ever really been his strong suit, so it is really of no surprise that he hasn't ever won the CL even with a team as incisive as the Invincibles. Also, it is probably no coincidence that Keown was rumoured to be working with our defense when we had our run in '06 - especially with our back 4 that year.

I also think that he tries too hard to balance the books and I suppose for the past, that is a credit to him, but with the new sponsorship deals, he should really be speculating to accumulate. Maybe that is really difficult to do in January, but the past two summer windows have been a shambles. He really needs to pull his finger out this summer (he will be here next year, no doubt - no matter what we want). With some dead wood off the wage bill this summer, I am sure that he will be buying. We are linked with Jovetic this summer - that seems like a Wenger signing and I think he would be an excellent addition. Also, as it will be Wenger's last year, I think that he will go for it. I don't see a contract extension happening either.

[rodders999]

Well on the plus side, 3 of the 4 options are at least 'possible' to some extent or another!!

Yeah i heard Rodders was an ugly bastard

And on Valentine's Day and all, so.....so....heartless

[augie]

Beegeegs I think that you are being too kind to wenger there - to believe that wenger has become too close to the players or that he has become too focused on balance sheets only tells half of the story imo. Wenger is, as you have said, tactically inept and whilst this has certainly held us back in the past it is nothing to the hinderance it will be to whatever new club he would go to and especially if that club was a foreign club. The english league is not known for it's tactical prowess as passion, pace and strength is prioritised over tactics so in that regard wenger's lack of tactical acumen hasnt been shown up as much as it would be in spain or italy for example. The fat spanish waiter, for all his faults, is very tactically minded and as such will always find employers no matter where he goes - that is not to say that wenker wont have his suitors cos he def will, but I believe that when that time comes the world will alll see the tactical ineptitude of the man

[begeegs]

Beegeegs I think that you are being too kind to wenger there - to believe that wenger has become too close to the players or that he has become too focused on balance sheets only tells half of the story imo. Wenger is, as you have said, tactically inept and whilst this has certainly held us back in the past it is nothing to the hinderance it will be to whatever new club he would go to and especially if that club was a foreign club. The english league is not known for it's tactical prowess as passion, pace and strength is prioritised over tactics so in that regard wenger's lack of tactical acumen hasnt been shown up as much as it would be in spain or italy for example. The fat spanish waiter, for all his faults, is very tactically minded and as such will always find employers no matter where he goes - that is not to say that wenker wont have his suitors cos he def will, but I believe that when that time comes the world will alll see the tactical ineptitude of the man

Augie - with your argument, Benitez should be doing better than he is then if tactics are superior to pace and power as you are alluding to. However, he did poorly in Italy and is doing worse than Di Matteo did in the Premiership(he was judged so harshly). Spuds and even us could end up overtaking them by the end of the year.

I think that with a team full of great players, like Madrid, you or I could manage and do reasonably well. Yes, Wenger may not be a tactical coach, but he is still a good coach and with a team like Madrid, who under Mourinho, would know how to defend, can employ Wenger and get away without little to no defensive organization.

Also, I also think that with Dein departing and Arsenal not having a CEO in place for a long while, Wenger filled that void thus spreading himself far too thin, which could be his fault or not - that is political and we do not know. At another club, he will not have that option, so his focus will be purely on the footballing side, which is how it should be at Arsenal. Whether or not he fancies that challenge is another question.

[augie]

Beegeegs I think that you are being too kind to wenger there - to believe that wenger has become too close to the players or that he has become too focused on balance sheets only tells half of the story imo. Wenger is, as you have said, tactically inept and whilst this has certainly held us back in the past it is nothing to the hinderance it will be to whatever new club he would go to and especially if that club was a foreign club. The english league is not known for it's tactical prowess as passion, pace and strength is prioritised over tactics so in that regard wenger's lack of tactical acumen hasnt been shown up as much as it would be in spain or italy for example. The fat spanish waiter, for all his faults, is very tactically minded and as such will always find employers no matter where he goes - that is not to say that wenker wont have his suitors cos he def will, but I believe that when that time comes the world will alll see the tactical ineptitude of the man

Augie - with your argument, Benitez should be doing better than he is then if tactics are superior to pace and power as you are alluding to. However, he did poorly in Italy and is doing worse than Di Matteo did in the Premiership(he was judged so harshly). Spuds and even us could end up overtaking them by the end of the year.

I think that with a team full of great players, like Madrid, you or I could manage and do reasonably well. Yes, Wenger may not be a tactical coach, but he is still a good coach and with a team like Madrid, who under Mourinho, would know how to defend, can employ Wenger and get away without little to no defensive organization.

Also, I also think that with Dein departing and Arsenal not having a CEO in place for a long while, Wenger filled that void thus spreading himself far too thin, which could be his fault or not - that is political and we do not know. At another club, he will not have that option, so his focus will be purely on the footballing side, which is how it should be at Arsenal. Whether or not he fancies that challenge is another question.

Or it could be argued that he is an egotistical and power hungry - according to all reports wenger's control within the club went so far as to him picking the colours of the walls and picking out the delph for the new colney when it was built plus it is also well known that wenger refuses to delegate any coaching tasks to any of his assistants so suggesting that he spread himself too thin is ignoring the probability that it is he himself who wants it that way

Re benetiz I will concur that he should be doing better than he is but I also suggested in my previous posts that tactical gameplanning is very much secondary in english football to the point that I have always felt that his tactics cost the scousers a league title a few years ago when he went too conservative when he should have been going for the wins (they lost the league by a point or 2). I should also point out that his points per game ratio is indeed worse than di matteo's but is also better than wengers It is also a little reported fact that last season avb had a much better points per game ration than champs league winner di matteo