When should Wenger go?

[donaldo]

He should have gone ages ago, but I don't believe he will ever walk and I don't believe this Board will sack him unless and until we are out of the top four at the end of this season, so everything is hinging on that. The survey is stupid as 'when we finish out of the top four' should have been an option to tick.

Not sure the Board would sack Wenger even if we did finish out of the CL places. They'd want to show 'faith' in him for at least one more season so he would get the chance to get the club back into the Top 4. So if Wenger is ever to leave it will have to be either voluntarily or via hizzy fit caused by prolonged crowd displeasure aimed in his direction. As there are 7 million reasons why he is unlikely to do the former, it may need the latter to happen before he goes.

The only way you get Wenger out is a mass boycott of renewal of season tickets.Kroenke and Gazidis dont care if we go 8 years without a trophy but a boycott by 20,000 ST holders will make them sit up and listen.And dont tell me about a 40,000 wating list.Who is going to stump up £1200 to watch another season like this one?

The BSM really made a massive error when they didnt make the march an anti-Wenger march.

[northbank123]

ive a felling this poll will be unanimous

Doubtful.....we have a couple of new wum that joined recently and they will enjoy voting pro wenger and then have a laff as ye try to reason with them

Assuming I'm one of these 'wum' then Yes, of course I voted Pro Wenger. I am not fickle enough to change my views based on a single result, but such results do bring a more noticeable comment rate on here as positive results do on forums that don't hold the same general view as this one.
I certainly do not do it for a 'laff' , I just say what I think, simple as. If that's a problem then let me know.

[is wum wind up merchant? if so then I am certainly not so by any other means than having an opposing view to the majority in this envioronment]

The question has to be where do you draw the line?

Firstly, changing it based on one result doesn't necessarily make you fickle (unless you swing from one extreme to the other on a nothing result). There has to ultimately be a tipping point - where it be a cup exit, a particularly humiliating defeat, a piece of transfer business, personal conduct - there's always going to be something that makes you cross the line. Using the old "I'm not fickle" line doesn't really wash.

Secondly, it's not really one result is it? I mean even ignoring our underlying lack of success, transfer policy and general Groundhog Day tactics, from the last 5 years alone there are numerous individual incidents, and most people on here can probably pinpoint one of these as the time their stance changed:

- Selling Diarra when Flamini was always going to leave in summer 2008 (and generally letting 2008 team break up).
- Getting caned 4-0 at Old Trafford in the FA Cup as a sign of things to come.
- Losing our only cup final since moving because we were second best against a team that got relegated.
- Throwing away a 4 goal lead at Newcastle.
- Losing 8 (EIGHT)-2 at Old Trafford.
- Getting humiliated 4-0 at a pretty average Milan side.
- Negotiating with United for months to sell van Judas whilst assuring everybody he was confident he'd stay.
- Getting knocked out to League 2 Bradford with a full-strength side.
- Getting knocked out of the FA Cup to a struggling Championship side at home.

[VoiceOfReason]

- Selling Diarra when Flamini was always going to leave in summer 2008 (and generally letting 2008 team break up).
- Getting caned 4-0 at Old Trafford in the FA Cup as a sign of things to come.
- Losing our only cup final since moving because we were second best against a team that got relegated.
- Throwing away a 4 goal lead at Newcastle.
- Losing 8 (EIGHT)-2 at Old Trafford.
- Getting humiliated 4-0 at a pretty average Milan side.
- Negotiating with United for months to sell van Judas whilst assuring everybody he was confident he'd stay.
- Getting knocked out to League 2 Bradford with a full-strength side.
- Getting knocked out of the FA Cup to a struggling Championship side at home.

How about the start of the 2011/12 season being our worst start to a season for 58 years?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rible.html

[northbank123]

- Selling Diarra when Flamini was always going to leave in summer 2008 (and generally letting 2008 team break up).
- Getting caned 4-0 at Old Trafford in the FA Cup as a sign of things to come.
- Losing our only cup final since moving because we were second best against a team that got relegated.
- Throwing away a 4 goal lead at Newcastle.
- Losing 8 (EIGHT)-2 at Old Trafford.
- Getting humiliated 4-0 at a pretty average Milan side.
- Negotiating with United for months to sell van Judas whilst assuring everybody he was confident he'd stay.
- Getting knocked out to League 2 Bradford with a full-strength side.
- Getting knocked out of the FA Cup to a struggling Championship side at home.

How about the start of the 2011/12 season being our worst start to a season for 58 years?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rible.html

I was just making the point that there have been plenty of times where one game/decision has caused people to 'cross the divide' and that it doesn't necessarily make you fickle. Of course there are plenty of long-term factors too, and I'm sure I've missed out a fair few one-off embarrassments.

[VoiceOfReason]

- Selling Diarra when Flamini was always going to leave in summer 2008 (and generally letting 2008 team break up).
- Getting caned 4-0 at Old Trafford in the FA Cup as a sign of things to come.
- Losing our only cup final since moving because we were second best against a team that got relegated.
- Throwing away a 4 goal lead at Newcastle.
- Losing 8 (EIGHT)-2 at Old Trafford.
- Getting humiliated 4-0 at a pretty average Milan side.
- Negotiating with United for months to sell van Judas whilst assuring everybody he was confident he'd stay.
- Getting knocked out to League 2 Bradford with a full-strength side.
- Getting knocked out of the FA Cup to a struggling Championship side at home.

How about the start of the 2011/12 season being our worst start to a season for 58 years?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rible.html

I was just making the point that there have been plenty of times where one game/decision has caused people to 'cross the divide' and that it doesn't necessarily make you fickle. Of course there are plenty of long-term factors too, and I'm sure I've missed out a fair few one-off embarrassments.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was merely adding a suggestion to your list, not criticising it. The question mark was really aimed at those in denial who are turning a blind eye to all those 'feats'.

[Supagoon]

The end of this season would be correct thing to do, but I certainly fear for the club if wenger were to leave in 5 months, the men left in charge have not shown capable of making any progressive decisions for this club. If stanley isn't going to sell then he needs to do something useful for the club and get some football men at this club who care for its welfare and having the ambition and vision to take it forward.

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract. This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

[augie]

The end of this season would be correct thing to do, but I certainly fear for the club if wenger were to leave in 5 months, the men left in charge have not shown capable of making any progressive decisions for this club. If stanley isn't going to sell then he needs to do something useful for the club and get some football men at this club who care for its welfare and having the ambition and vision to take it forward.

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract.[/u] This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

As a sign of respect wenger should be given the chance to resign.....if he declines then he should be fired, (comment deleted by IHH) or whatever way it takes to get him the fcuk out of our club

[northbank123]

The end of this season would be correct thing to do, but I certainly fear for the club if wenger were to leave in 5 months, the men left in charge have not shown capable of making any progressive decisions for this club. If stanley isn't going to sell then he needs to do something useful for the club and get some football men at this club who care for its welfare and having the ambition and vision to take it forward.

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract. This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

Are you saying we should wait another season (who knows what state we'll be in in June 2014???) because we may not be able to get anybody in better than Wenger? Not really sure if you were saying that we should allow him until the end of his contract or that if he's still there we should cut him loose in any event?

Tbh I don't see any benefits from him leaving now as opposed to at the end of the season but I just want him to be gone and the sooner that's confirmed the better.

[donaldo]

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract. This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

Tell me you are joking.A sign of respect Keep a manager on £7m a year and let him buy more duds in the tranfer market.As a sign of respect to the fans who pay his wages he should do the honourable thing and resign.But he wont

[_James_]

End of the season, hopefully that is long enough for Ivan Gazidis to find a new manager. Though we may need to keep Wenger until the end of his contract as Ivan Gazidis would probably have us play with no manager at all due to the length of time it would take to find a replacement.

[Supagoon]

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract. This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

Tell me you are joking.A sign of respect Keep a manager on £7m a year and let him buy more duds in the tranfer market.As a sign of respect to the fans who pay his wages he should do the honourable thing and resign.But he wont

I wish he would resign! But his pride will not allow him to do so.

I'm just trying to be realistic about this, the fact that the decisions about the club have been largely down to wenger and what we want is to only go up the table not down it, which could happen if we pull the chord soon.

I'm talking about getting the right people in the club to take over Arsene's decision making and give the new manager the right support we need. When someone has been at the club so long there needs to be some sort of transition rather than an abrupt sacking.

Other clubs like Barca, Bayern, Real have a structure in place (Football Directors, Presidents) which means that shipping managers out is not such an issue. I don't feel happy knowing the guy who has to find us a new coach is the guy that inadvertently called up an Usmanov's companies for a sponsorship opportunities.

To clarify, I want a new manager in and wenger has to go, but I want this club to build on its increased revenue, the reputation we still have (duped carzola didn't we), and get the right coach in. Not sure we can do all this in the space of 5 months.

We still have a stingy board who believe that our highest earners are 100k, and we shouldn't be recruiting managers based on our failed philosophies which I have no doubt fill this football club.

All wenger needs to do in summer is say its his last season and at least we have a date in the diary.

[northbank123]

As a sign of respect on both fronts wenger should be allowed to go at the end of his contract. This is not ideal because it still means we waste a year of having to watch another wenger team fumble there way through a season. It should buy us enough time to cut the umbilical cord from the wenger womb and set ourselves free into this brave new world.

Tell me you are joking.A sign of respect Keep a manager on £7m a year and let him buy more duds in the tranfer market.As a sign of respect to the fans who pay his wages he should do the honourable thing and resign.But he wont

I wish he would resign! But his pride will not allow him to do so.

I'm just trying to be realistic about this, the fact that the decisions about the club have been largely down to wenger and what we want is to only go up the table not down it, which could happen if we pull the chord soon.

I'm talking about getting the right people in the club to take over Arsene's decision making and give the new manager the right support we need. When someone has been at the club so long there needs to be some sort of transition rather than an abrupt sacking.

Other clubs like Barca, Bayern, Real have a structure in place (Football Directors, Presidents) which means that shipping managers out is not such an issue. I don't feel happy knowing the guy who has to find us a new coach is the guy that inadvertently called up an Usmanov's companies for a sponsorship opportunities.

To clarify, I want a new manager in and wenger has to go, but I want this club to build on its increased revenue, the reputation we still have (duped carzola didn't we), and get the right coach in. Not sure we can do all this in the space of 5 months.

We still have a stingy board who believe that our highest earners are 100k, and we shouldn't be recruiting managers based on our failed philosophies which I have no doubt fill this football club.

All wenger needs to do in summer is say its his last season and at least we have a date in the diary.

We're not talking about a global conglomerate looking to head-hunt a new CEO. We're on about finding a willing manager at a top football club - it's only a pool of 10-20 max and in reality there are probably only 4-5 managers the board would consider in practice. We're not in the scenario like United whereby they have a continued formula for success and need to be so careful not to damage that fine balance when Ferguson goes. We're in a situation where the rot has well and truly set in and we need to change things completely.

Fuck all this 'structure' bollocks - we have a board and a very qualified CEO (even if he is a *word censored*) who are more than capable of dealing with finance matters and the day-to-day running of the club, and the manager will deal with the football side of things. It's good enough for Man United and it used to be good enough for us. Just as well we didn't say to Bruce Rioch well I'll let you see out your contract while we search for a replacement isn't it? Fuck all this President and Director of Football and Football Executive ***** - it's not needed. Our revenue streams are fine and will look after themselves (along with reputation) provided that we bring in the right manager.

Looking back one and a half seasons we still had Fabregas, Nasri and van Persie. How can you condemn the man yet be willing to let him do similar damage in the next season and a half? And as much as anything else what does him confirming his slow death do for the team? If there's a way to make this lot even less focused and motivated you've found it.

[goonergeoff]

Wenger needs to now i have not felt so angry at a result for a long time. He has Let every fan down badly yesterday,his credibility is shot to peaces.

[clockend90]

wenger should fuck off today and take all the shit he has bought in with him

although that would leave us with around 4-5 players..says it all really

[Supagoon]

maybe you are right.

I was on the fence, between wenger leaving at the end of this season or his contract. But I guess there are too many negatives in him staying beyond 2013 season. Our next appointment might not be long term anyway we need to accept we're not going to get it right at first attempt especially considering who will be left to look for a new coach.

I feel as long as Kroenke is here we won't be in a position to win the league for many reasons, but we may just be competitive enough to win some cups which is more than we'll win if wenger stays.