Why does everyone hate Eboue?

[I Hate Hleb]

BEATS ME!!

[SPUDMASHER]

I think there is something that you are not telling us Hlebby

I just looked at the member list and saw that you and ECD both joined on the same day. Combined with your post above this (particularly the emoticons) I think there is a conspiracy afoot.

Are you in fact one and the same?

If not, Do you know the person?

[DB10GOONER]

And she's had a wash recently!

Vital.

[26may1989]

Stuart, this is a very old debate. And one on which the anti-Eboues are definitely in the majority.

But I think it's 90% bullshit. Picking up on IHH's list:

EBOUE CAN'T DEFEND Rubbish, while he's not as good at RB as Sagna, EE is more than adeqaute in defence. He also works well with Sagna, with good overlaps and covering by both. Although IHH strongly rejects this, there was at least one example in the Chelsea game (a game in which EE generally played badly).

HE CAN'T ATTACK Crap. His runs into the box, passes and crosses have often led to goals or near misses by others (there was at least one at the San Siro, for example).

HE CAN'T TACKLE Wrong.

HIS CROSSING IS MAINLY POOR Wrong - EE's crossing can be bad (the one he ballooned on Sunday comes to mind) but it can be of the highest quality.

HIS DISTRIBUTION OF THE BALL IS VERY POOR EE's game is best characterised as erratic. He moves from the sublime to the ridiculous with great ease. The trouble is all his detractors on forums like this ignore the sublime bits.

HE IS A LAZY CRUNT WHO DOESN'T TRACK BACK TO HELP SAGNA Bullshit, but IHH and I have debated this one recently. We obviously watch different games.

HE DIVES Yes he does. Just as Pires, Ljungberg, Henry, Bergkamp, Cesc, Ade and many other Arsenal players and ex-players have or do. Why Arsenal fans choose to single out EE for diving (which I don't like) is unclear. Perhaps it's because he's just not as good at diving as someone like Ljungberg - if that's the case, they should all be more honest about it and say so. My guess is most of them choose not to slag off the best Arsenal players because they're the ones who provide success, but when it comes to a lesser player, different standards are applied.

HE FALLS OVER THEATRICALLY See above.

HE MOANS A LOT Another one where EE is a long way from being alone: Bergkamp, Henry, Ade, Lehmann, Petit, Vieira, they all moan a lot.

And as for hating Eboue because he wore the wrong shirt, what a load of crap that is. Even if wearing the "right" length sleeves matters (it's just a quirky little AFC tradition), is it a reason to hate EE? Would the same people have been as hard on Bergkamp? Of course not. They just hate Eboue and use any opportunity to have a pop at him.

So all in all, the reasons for hating one of our players, albeit a fairly mediocre one, are pretty weak.

[BT]

The problem is his diving reputation and 'the boy who cried wolf' syndrome is actually costing us deserved free kicks and penalties. He's picking up more and more yellow cards and wenger started subsituting him for fear of him getting sent off.

and his final ball is often woeful, particularly when he has a shot on goal.

That said, i thought it was OTT how MOTD kept highlighting his moaning to the ref the other day and on the other hand, didnt even show Gallas hit the post.

[Rilo II]

He cant shoot, that's so frustrating, rarely even forces a save in situations where any player should be scoring. Has no composure in front of goal, just put's his foot through the ball and sends it wide.

I dont hate Eboue, I think he's a lot better than people give him credit for, especially crossing. Although sometimes he gets it wrong(as in his spectacular fuck up at the bridge) he regularly puts in great crosses and often creates goals from them).

I do hate the diving though, I hate it from any player. I think people focus more on Eboue because he does it more regularly than most others at the club.

[SPUDMASHER]

He cant shoot, that's so frustrating, rarely even forces a save in situations where any player should be scoring. Has no composure in front of goal, just put's his foot through the ball and sends it wide.

I dont hate Eboue, I think he's a lot better than people give him credit for, especially crossing. Although sometimes he gets it wrong(as in his spectacular fuck up at the bridge) he regularly puts in great crosses and often creates goals from them).

I do hate the diving though, I hate it from any player. I think people focus more on Eboue because he does it more regularly than most others at the club.

I think he does it more regularly than the British Olympic diving team
You only need to be in the same postcode as the crunt and he'll fall over sometimes. F*cking embarrassing

[Eboue-Why?]

All I'll say to people is read I HATE HLEB'S first reply above. It sums Eboue up beautifully. As for 26May1989's defence? Speechless matey. We must sit so far apart in the ground that our views of the pitch are distorted by time and space!
I know this is perhaps OTT but as I've said on other threads, in over 35 years of following the club, I have never genuinely hated an Arsenal player until Eboue came along. He is everything Arsenal aren't and I just don't see what Wenger sees him in. A half decent game every 15-20 games maybe but apart from that, nothing. He just has to be replaced this summer and shipped out to the continent. And hand on heart I can honestly say I hated that dive in Paris, really really hated it

[flo2bagooner]

i dont hate eboue, but i dont think hes a strong enuf force 4 us!
i also think this is why he falls over alot as hes not up 2 the standards required of him!

dont get me wrong tho he must impress wenger alot as he starts every week hes available but is that jst because hes been in our team that bit longer than theo!

im jst not alover of him at right wing!

[Number 5]

Now I don't hate Eboue but I can tell you what's wrong with him.

He is neither a RB or a winger. The reason we signed Sagna this year is because the Asrsenal coaching staff identified the RB area as one of our weakest points last season and so Eboue needed replacing. Wenger has the belief that picking eboue give more natural width on the right as Hleb usually drifts infield from the left. Now if Rosicky wasn't perpetually injured Eboue would get less of a sniff than Theo gets and be an adequate squad player. But this year he has made way to many starts that his abilitly cannot justify.

Does any pro Eboue posters seriously belive he would get into the other top 3 sides in England on such a regular basis? Looking abroad would he constantly line up for Real, Barca, Inter, AC, Juve, Bayern? Doubtful.

So while I don't hate him, I hate the situation that has caused him to get as many games as he has when he is very much not up to the task on a regular basis.

[DB10GOONER]

HE DIVES Yes he does. Just as Pires, Ljungberg, Henry, Bergkamp, Cesc, Ade and many other Arsenal players and ex-players have or do. Why Arsenal fans choose to single out EE for diving (which I don't like) is unclear. Perhaps it's because he's just not as good at diving as someone like Ljungberg - if that's the case, they should all be more honest about it and say so. My guess is most of them choose not to slag off the best Arsenal players because they're the ones who provide success, but when it comes to a lesser player, different standards are applied.

Most of what's been said about Eboue's qualities (or lack of) as a footballer is down to personal opinion and that's cool, but I feel I have to comment on the above, 26May.

Now, I detest diving, no matter who does it, but sometimes there are mitigating circumstances.

So I really, honestly don't think it's fair to compare Eboue with any of those players you listed. The difference is that Eboue dives far far more often and far far more theatrically, whereas those players were guilty of the odd dive. A dive is a dive, you might say. Fair enough, I agree, but I can forgive (or at least understand) a player that takes a dive because he's getting kicked to bits and the ref has given him nothing all game - it doesn't excuse it but I can understand the frustration. Problem is, Eboue hardly needs to be touched and he's diving theatrically.

To call Bergkamp, Pires, Cesc Henry and Ade divers is unfair to them. They are/were not regular divers - Eboue is. It's Eboue's constant diving, elbowing, moaning, whinghing and cheating that has alianated most Gooners, not his perceived lack of skill - we can forgive that if the player is honest and tries his best. (I'll accept that Freddie did become more of a victim of gravity towards the end and I hated to see that too).

And as for hating Eboue because he wore the wrong shirt, what a load of crap that is. Even if wearing the "right" length sleeves matters (it's just a quirky little AFC tradition), is it a reason to hate EE? Would the same people have been as hard on Bergkamp? Of course not. They just hate Eboue and use any opportunity to have a pop at him.

I'm not having a pop at you here mate, but I would say that the vast majority of Arsenal fans love those quirky little traditions that make us different to other clubs. we are a club built on tradition. I don't think anyone hates Eboue because of the sleeve thing, I think it's when you add that to all the other baggage he carries people just start to think "what a prize prick he is..."

Just my opinion.

[I Hate Hleb]

Stuart, this is a very old debate. And one on which the anti-Eboues are definitely in the majority.

But I think it's 90% bullshit. Picking up on IHH's list:

EBOUE CAN'T DEFEND Rubbish, while he's not as good at RB as Sagna, EE is more than adeqaute in defence. He also works well with Sagna, with good overlaps and covering by both. Although IHH strongly rejects this, there was at least one example in the Chelsea game (a game in which EE generally played badly)..

SORRY, BUT ADEQUATE JUST DOESN'T CUT IT FOR ME. WE ARE THE ARSENAL, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!

..HE CAN'T ATTACK Crap. His runs into the box, passes and crosses have often led to goals or near misses by others (there was at least one at the San Siro, for example)..

HOW MANY GOALS DOES HE HAVE? INDEED, EVEN MORE PERTINENT, HOW MANY ASSISTS DOES HE HAVE THIS SEASON? NOT MANY, THAT'S FOR SURE. HELL, IF YOU PLAYED ME EVERY GAME I'M SURE I'D BE ABLE TO PICK OUT A DECENT CROSS OR TWO - AND I'M 44!!

..HE CAN'T TACKLE Wrong..

SO THAT'S THAT THEN, IS IT?

..HIS CROSSING IS MAINLY POOR Wrong - EE's crossing can be bad (the one he ballooned on Sunday comes to mind) but it can be of the highest quality.

HIS DISTRIBUTION OF THE BALL IS VERY POOR EE's game is best characterised as erratic. He moves from the sublime to the ridiculous with great ease. The trouble is all his detractors on forums like this ignore the sublime bits..

SEE MY PREVIOUS ANSWER ABOVE UNDER 'CAN'T ATTACK'!! AS FOR DETRACTORS, SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU MATEY, BUT I JUDGE PEOPLE PURELY ON WHAT I SEE AND WHAT I KNOW THROUGH PLAYING FOOTBALL FOR 30 YEARS - NOTHING ELSE!!

..HE IS A LAZY CRUNT WHO DOESN'T TRACK BACK TO HELP SAGNA Bullshit, but IHH and I have debated this one recently. We obviously watch different games..

OBVIOUSLY. BUT TO CALL IT BULLSHIT IS IN ITSELF A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS!! AS I EXPLAINED IN OUR PREVIOUS DEBATE.

..HE DIVES Yes he does. Just as Pires, Ljungberg, Henry, Bergkamp, Cesc, Ade and many other Arsenal players and ex-players have or do. Why Arsenal fans choose to single out EE for diving (which I don't like) is unclear. Perhaps it's because he's just not as good at diving as someone like Ljungberg - if that's the case, they should all be more honest about it and say so. My guess is most of them choose not to slag off the best Arsenal players because they're the ones who provide success, but when it comes to a lesser player, different standards are applied..

BECAUSE THAT'S ALL HE HAS BECOME SYNONYMOUS WITH DOING. THE OTHER PLAYERS MENTIONED DID DIVE BUT AT LEAST MOST OF THE TIME THEY DISPLAYED SOME TALENT AND WERE MORE KNOWN FOR THAT AND NOT TRYING TO CHEAT - UNLIKE EBOUE.

..HE FALLS OVER THEATRICALLY See above..

SEE ABOVE!!

..HE MOANS A LOT Another one where EE is a long way from being alone: Bergkamp, Henry, Ade, Lehmann, Petit, Vieira, they all moan a lot..

AGAIN, SEE ABOVE.

..And as for hating Eboue because he wore the wrong shirt, what a load of crap that is. Even if wearing the "right" length sleeves matters (it's just a quirky little AFC tradition), is it a reason to hate EE? Would the same people have been as hard on Bergkamp? Of course not. They just hate Eboue and use any opportunity to have a pop at him..

NOW THERE WE ARE IN FULL AGREEMENT. TO ME THAT JUST CHEAPENS THE GENUINE ARGUEMENTS AGAINST HIM PLAYING FOR ARSENAL.

..So all in all, the reasons for hating one of our players, albeit a fairly mediocre one, are pretty weak.

MY GOD!! WERE YOU PART OF O.J.'S DEFENCE TEAM? TRUST ME MATEY, YOU'LL HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING ARSENAL FANS TO SWALLOW THIS DEFENCE OF EBOUE!! THE REASONS FOR HATING HIM ARE NOT WEAK AT ALL (EXCEPT FOR THE SHORT SLEEVES ONE ).

I PUT IT TO YOU THAT IT'S THE DEFENCE'S CASE IS THE ONE THAT'S LACKING TANGIBLE FACTS AND CREDIBILITY, AND AS CHIEF PROSECUTOR I SHALL BE RECOMMENDING THAT THE JURY PUNISH HIM THE MOST SEVERE WAY POSSIBLE BY SENDING HIM AWAY (HOPEFULLYANOTHER COUNTRY) FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS MINIMUM (OR HOWEVER LONG HIS CAREER LASTS ).

FINALLY, LET ME MAKE CLEAR THAT I DON'T DISLIKE PEOPLE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT!! I WAS DEFENDING ADEBAYOR BEFORE HE STARTED SCORING GOALS BECAUSE I SAW WHAT HE BOUGHT TO THE TEAM. ALAS, I CAN'T SAY THE SAME FOR EBOUE!!

[SPUDMASHER]

Hlebby, Be careful

When I was in the police we always knew that a defence brief was talking danglies when he said 'I put it to you'.

[Red Gunner]

HOW MANY GOALS DOES HE HAVE? INDEED, EVEN MORE PERTINENT, HOW MANY ASSISTS DOES HE HAVE THIS SEASON? NOT MANY, THAT'S FOR SURE. HELL, IF YOU PLAYED ME EVERY GAME I'M SURE I'D BE ABLE TO PICK OUT A DECENT CROSS OR TWO - AND I'M 44!!

Eboue has no goals and only one assist this season I got it from a reliable source, the official Premiership site. So we can’t see his contribution, the statistics back that up as well

[SPUDMASHER]

WELL, KNOWING THAT 26th MAY 1989 WAS A LAWYER/SOLICTOR, I THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT ONE IN AS A BIT OF FUN (I KNOW, I'D MAKE A CRAP LAWYER )

when you wrote lawyer/solicitor did you mean it like crocodile/alligator or more like vampire/leech