How will not renewing ST's help bring change?

[the playing mantis]

I have partially done this cos i cant be bothered to spend so much on something im caring less and less about, but i retained my ticket and simply sold all the games to a friend, so i dont count, but those who advocate this (both akb and wob) and suggest it, why? what will it acheive.

imo a lot of people cannot bring themselves to not go anymore regardless of them hating aw or not, why should they be forced to not watch just cos they hate whats happening, its ingrained on their ves and not going simply isnt an option for many. for me i dont want to give up my st as when AW finally skulks off i want to be in a position to get my ticket back and not join a waiting list or get some shitty seats.

ultimately i cannot see the point of this. if it was done on mass, maybe, but a it would never be done on mass, but b and most importantly there are still so many ardtards akbs and tourists who would snap up the st's as to make a boysott not make a jot of difference. i appreciate waiting lists are coming down, but there are still masses of morons who would happily have a st at the church of wenger.

[Steve_I]

I have partially done this cos i cant be bothered to spend so much on something im caring less and less about, but i retained my ticket and simply sold all the games to a friend, so i dont count, but those who advocate this (both akb and wob) and suggest it, why? what will it acheive.

imo a lot of people cannot bring themselves to not go anymore regardless of them hating aw or not, why should they be forced to not watch just cos they hate whats happening, its ingrained on their ves and not going simply isnt an option for many. for me i dont want to give up my st as when AW finally skulks off i want to be in a position to get my ticket back and not join a waiting list or get some shitty seats.

ultimately i cannot see the point of this. if it was done on mass, maybe, but a it would never be done on mass, but b and most importantly there are still so many ardtards akbs and tourists who would snap up the st's as to make a boysott not make a jot of difference. i appreciate waiting lists are coming down, but there are still masses of morons who would happily have a st at the church of wenger.

I agree with you here (a first). Absolutely no point as far as I can see and those who did it, imo, would be cutting their noses off to spite their faces as the saying goes. The waiting list remains huge and any that were given up would be snapped up automatically. It will never be that case that you'd get us morons onside even if you were polite about us. It would be a pointless mission and even given we are on opposite sides of the debate, I say to you don't give your ticket up for the simple reason you'll regret it at some point.

[VoiceOfReason]

If there are so many AKBs and tourists out there waiting to snap up tickets, then why are games going to general sale and - in some cases - not selling out?

[donaldo]

I have partially done this cos i cant be bothered to spend so much on something im caring less and less about, but i retained my ticket and simply sold all the games to a friend, so i dont count, but those who advocate this (both akb and wob) and suggest it, why? what will it acheive.

imo a lot of people cannot bring themselves to not go anymore regardless of them hating aw or not, why should they be forced to not watch just cos they hate whats happening, its ingrained on their ves and not going simply isnt an option for many. for me i dont want to give up my st as when AW finally skulks off i want to be in a position to get my ticket back and not join a waiting list or get some shitty seats.

ultimately i cannot see the point of this. if it was done on mass, maybe, but a it would never be done on mass, but b and most importantly there are still so many ardtards akbs and tourists who would snap up the st's as to make a boysott not make a jot of difference. i appreciate waiting lists are coming down, but there are still masses of morons who would happily have a st at the church of wenger.

I agree with you here (a first). Absolutely no point as far as I can see and those who did it, imo, would be cutting their noses off to spite their faces as the saying goes. The waiting list remains huge and any that were given up would be snapped up automatically. It will never be that case that you'd get us morons onside even if you were polite about us. It would be a pointless mission and even given we are on opposite sides of the debate, I say to you don't give your ticket up for the simple reason you'll regret it at some point.

I gave up my ST in 2009 and havent been back to the concrete bowl since.Havent regreted it once.In fact i feel great i am not paying Wenger a penny of his wages.I now watch my football on a saturday with my mates who also have given up their ST's in a bozzer at Highbury with no AKB's telling me to stop abusing Wenger

[augie]

For the first time since I got my season tickets I am in a real dilemma this season - in pervious seasons I would let off steam about possibly not renewing although knowing inside me that I was likely to renew In those seasons the factors involved in my decisions were all emotional (can I justify shelling out that amount of money to watch a club that had no ambition to win trophies anymore) but now my quandry is more practical......can I justify the expense of the tickets, the travel over and all the expenses that brings, in this economical climate ? The club likes to make a big deal about not increasing prices but they have no comprehension of the financial strain going to games puts on each and every Gooner and it will be very interesting to see how failing to get top 4 might affect next seasons prices cos cheaper tickets (as if ) might make it easier to make this decision.

Of course the white elephant standing in the corner is wenger - if we were assured that a mass boycott of renewals would prompt his renewal this summer then I think that most would opt for that course of action. Of course the crux of that is that the likes of me, who has craved the removal of the senile old c**t as manager for a few years now, would actually miss out on the new dawn as the club finally wipes the slate clean and goes with a new man and no ideas. Of course the sad reality is that the fans would not be able to organise a successful boycott of renewals so it wont make a jot of difference to what happens with wenger and all that will happen is that many Gooners will piss away a lifetime of commitment to AFC in the hope that their sacrifice would hurt the club enough to make a difference

[I Hate Hleb]

Mind you, you could always give up your season ticket on a matter of principle!!

[augie]

Mind you, you could always give up your season ticket on a matter of principle!!

But isnt that the point.........I would be more than happy to use principles like that if I was sure that the majority of like minded Gooners would do the same but that would be highly unlikely to happen dont you think ?

[Steve_I]

If there are so many AKBs and tourists out there waiting to snap up tickets, then why are games going to general sale and - in some cases - not selling out?

the snapping up I referred to was the season tickets. There is a long waiting list and season tickets are automatically offered to the next in line as soon as they become available.

[E5Gooner]

Have the club updated the waiting list yet? Very... odd how they are dragging their feet over it.

[cdparky]

It's a tricky one. I wouldn't buy tickets individually for any of the cat A games bar Spurs, they are just too expensive (I'll make an excpetion for the derby as that is one game that really matters). The Europa League games will be treated with the same disdain as the FA Cup so the cup credits are largely pointless other than watching our 2nd string bumble around incompetently. So renewing I'm committing to 11 games I wouldn't bother with otherwise, strong temptation to revert to my silver card and go match by match when I want to.

[VoiceOfReason]

Of course the crux of that is that the likes of me, who has craved the removal of the senile old c**t as manager for a few years now, would actually miss out on the new dawn as the club finally wipes the slate clean and goes with a new man and no ideas.

I think Arsene Wenger hacked your post!

[I Hate Hleb]

Mind you, you could always give up your season ticket on a matter of principle!!

But isnt that the point.........I would be more than happy to use principles like that if I was sure that the majority of like minded Gooners would do the same but that would be highly unlikely to happen dont you think ?

I'm talking about standing by YOUR principles - regardless of whether anyone / everyone else shares them.

[arsenalmorris]

Interesting thread, I am currently a red member but expect my season ticket next season, I go every single game home and away and have so far spent over 4k this season in tickets and travel, I am really debating if I get offered a season ticket next season turning it down, the full season is going to end up costing me about 6k this season and is it really worth it, I will finish this season and the re evaluate my situation

[wilko49er]

I have toyed with idea of binning my ST. But i wont My reasoning it will get better eventually.It took a long time too get in the first place. When i can if i am not going for whatever reason TX works. I have a silver as well and a mate of mine has had it for years. I dont get too as many games as i would like because of health issues. Many times my seat ends up empty. Last minute decision not to go or cant make it. Can i afford that? No! Its just the way it is. I have technically boycotted games even though the club had the money, its a principle thing for me.
But i will keep my ST, as long as i can pay for it.

[QuartzGooner]

Kronke keeps Wenger because Wenger makes him money.

If enough season tickets are not sold, then profit is reduced.
Kronke will take notice of that.
Especially if a mixture of Gold, Platinum and Diamond season tickets are affected.