As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
MK Gould wrote:
You can give credit to Abramovich or you can call him an arse for only buying them 2 Premier League titles (the only true measure of success) in the last 8 seasons. If he'd have kept Mourinho they would have won so much more. I'd love to see serious money pumped into the club, but would prefer someone with a more hands off approach.
Chelsea are the proof that billions don't buy you consistent success.
Liverpool's success of the 70's and 80's and United's of the 90's til now (and ours from 88 to 2005) were based on good youth scouting, bringing kids through the bootroom and blending them with journeyman experience and highly paid strikers and great keepers.
look at the famous five - adams, keown, bould, winterburn and Seaman, two kids two journeyman and a superstar keeper.
MK Gould wrote:
You can give credit to Abramovich or you can call him an arse for only buying them 2 Premier League titles (the only true measure of success) in the last 8 seasons. If he'd have kept Mourinho they would have won so much more. I'd love to see serious money pumped into the club, but would prefer someone with a more hands off approach.
Chelsea are the proof that billions don't buy you consistent success.....
Oh, I don't know. 10 trophies in as many years - including a Double and the big eared one that has eluded us for so long - seems pretty consistent to me. You could make a case that they may have won more if they'd kept Mourinho but not much of one trying to claim they haven't been consistent winners.
MK Gould wrote:
Oh, I don't know. 10 trophies in as many years - including a Double and the big eared one that has eluded us for so long - seems pretty consistent to me. You could make a case that they may have won more if they'd kept Mourinho but not much of one trying to claim they haven't been consistent winners.
fair point. i thinking more of the league titles that united and liverpool won back to back to back over a decade.
and much of the chavs cup success (apart from one ) was based on us and United not taking them seriously - look at United - 5 FA cups in 27 years under fergie.
donaldo wrote:We cant have it both ways.If Abramovich was our owner Wenger would have been fired a long time ago and thats what we all want dont we?.Do you really think if Usmanov was our owner he would behave any different from Abramovich? Just look at the facts since we last won a trophy Chelsea have won 10 trophies and dont kid yourself us Gooners would die for 10 trophies in 8 years including a CL.
You can give credit to Abramovich or you can call him an arse for only buying them 2 Premier League titles (the only true measure of success) in the last 8 seasons. If he'd have kept Mourinho they would have won so much more. I'd love to see serious money pumped into the club, but would prefer someone with a more hands off approach.
And therein lies the inherent gamble. A Blackburn-supporting mate of mine was giving it massive about how they were gonna be the next Citeh and they would be CL within 2 seasons - a few months later they're moaning that the owners are the worst thing to ever happen to the club.
Not that I approve of the "be careful what you wish for" argument being wheeled out as a blanket excuse for those not in favour of change, and it's safe to assume that John Williams wasn't really that bothered about Venky's vision for the club when he sold it - but if you want the money you're almost certainly going to get an owner with a higher degree of control over the footballing side of things than is necessary.
donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
It's a recurring nightmare I have. Some fucking stupid crunt with billions buys them and then buys them a decade of success.
Thank you so much for your top tips on how to run a brilliantly successful press conference.
Just like you predicted I came across as intelligent, thoughtful and insightful. By the end of it everybody loved me and no-one thought I was a crazy ranting delusional imbecile.
Love to Gazzy, P-Hilly and Stanley
Your chum
Rafa
PS Good luck with the pay rise - you're worth it.
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donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
The only thing that makes the chavs success vaguely bearable is that it isnt sp*rs
clockender1 wrote:i'd rather have Benitez than Wenger.
Benitez can coach - true, he's faced with a difficult task in an ageing squad with no midfield bite, weak at the back and a superstriker on prozac, but he does prepare, train and coach.
look what he's won since 2005 - Champions League, FA cup, Italian SuperCup, FIFA Club World Cup, add to that the La Liga and UEFA cups won with Valencia in 2004, the guy has a track record even with two years out of the game of 6 major honours of 6 medals in 6 years .
in that time AW has two medals in 8 years.
and in both cases Benitez got kicked out of Inter and Liverpool for demanding financial support from the board, unlike our "make do and mend" attitude our current incumbent has.
Valencia, Liverpool, Inter and Chelsea - imho he is second only to mourinho in track record as he's done it in three tough leagues. Wenger did it for six years in one.
That's like choosing a punch in the face over a kick in the nuts. I would prefer neither.
He's an abysmal manager. Inherited a great Valencia team from Hector Cuper (2 Champions League finals in the previous 3 years) and admittedly pushed them up a level for a while, then the flukiest CL win with the Victims in 05, followed by a meltdown in their title charge (after spunking god knows how much on absolute shite - Robbie Keane for £20 million , Aquilani £20m plus others), and then had the gall to complain about no money being given to him
Fucked up Inter after their treble winning season - they will never forget that there.
Crap man manager, shit transfer record, and a lucky fucker. He won't get near a top level team any time soon after this Chelscum stint ends
donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
i doubt that - why would he buy a a club with no history, small support, and a run down ground with no possibility of expansion ?
donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
i doubt that - why would he buy a a club with no history, small support, and a run down ground with no possibility of expansion ?
He did - Chelsea!! (although if that was meant as irony then my response is followed by ).
I remember the story going around that he was initially going to buy either Spurs (not sure if he was turned down or he thought it was not value for money) or Fulham, but on his way to view the latter in his helicopter/plane saw Stamford Bridge and ultimately decided to purchase Chelsea.
donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
i doubt that - why would he buy a a club with no history, small support, and a run down ground with no possibility of expansion ?
He did - Chelsea!! (although if that was meant as irony then my response is followed by ).
I remember the story going around that he was initially going to buy either Spurs (not sure if he was turned down or he thought it was not value for money) or Fulham, but on his way to view the latter in his helicopter/plane saw Stamford Bridge and ultimately decided to purchase Chelsea.
He also, after being shown round London Colney offered to buy it - for chelsea to use
Then bought the land at Cobham and redeveloped that instead.
donaldo wrote:In 2003 when Abramovich was trying to buy an English club Spurs was his first choice but their board turned him down.Phew we dodged a bullet there
i doubt that - why would he buy a a club with no history, small support, and a run down ground with no possibility of expansion ?
He did - Chelsea!! (although if that was meant as irony then my response is followed by ).
I remember the story going around that he was initially going to buy either Spurs (not sure if he was turned down or he thought it was not value for money) or Fulham, but on his way to view the latter in his helicopter/plane saw Stamford Bridge and ultimately decided to purchase Chelsea.
to be fair, Harding had already developed the Bridge by the time he turned up, plus the chavs manor is slightly more JCL/ club level friendly than the delights of Haringey, which lets face it looked better after the tottenum riots...
) was based on us and United not taking them seriously - look at United - 5 FA cups in 27 years under fergie.
, Aquilani £20m 
plus others), and then had the gall to complain about no money being given to him 
