Munich away match thread

[Eboue-Why?]

2-0 in Munich is a great result in anybody's language. But yet again Wenger is off the hook when in fact he got it wrong again.

1) Ramsey will never be good enough but let's persist with him in the middle and put our most creative player out on the left, a particularly clever move when you're missing Wilshere.

2) Giroud...............need I say more

3) Walcott, 2 great crosses but has to give more. If he hasn't got the space to run with the ball, he's worth little

4) We had to get a minimum of 3 goals. Giroud and Ramsey should have been taken off at 55 mins, put Cazorla in the middle, Walcott up top, anything to change it but no, leave it till the fucking 70th min. Whether they got a goal was irrelevant. We needed 3 and Giroud was never gonna give you that.

On the plus side, defensively a lot better but this was the game that highlighted again that £8-10m players with a fading Manager are unlikely to ever win trophies.

[augie]

2-0 in Munich is a great result in anybody's language. But yet again Wenger is off the hook when in fact he got it wrong again.

1) Ramsey will never be good enough but let's persist with him in the middle and put our most creative player out on the left, a particularly clever move when you're missing Wilshere.

2) Giroud...............need I say more

3) Walcott, 2 great crosses but has to give more. If he hasn't got the space to run with the ball, he's worth little
4) We had to get a minimum of 3 goals. Giroud and Ramsey should have been taken off at 55 mins, put Cazorla in the middle, Walcott up top, anything to change it but no, leave it till the fucking 70th min. Whether they got a goal was irrelevant. We needed 3 and Giroud was never gonna give you that.

On the plus side, defensively a lot better but this was the game that highlighted again that £8-10m players with a fading Manager are unlikely to ever win trophies.

Are points 3 and 4 contradicting themselves ? I agree with you 100% that if wally doesnt have the space to run with the ball then he provides nothing, but then surely he would have more hope of finding space on the wing than in the middle ? Fact is, and I have always said this, if we play against a team with any kind of tacical nous then feo is redundant cos if there is no space in behind for him to run then 90% of his game is wiped out and if 100% of his game doesnt bring enough to the table then 10% is fcuk all use Contrast that to the ox - granted he hasnt excelled this season but the guy can take on a player, beat him with skill (as opposed to just kicking the ball ahead of him and running after it like a possessed greyhound ) and can shoot with power from outside the area if the opportunity is there

[Herd]

[/quote]is that right mr herd??? funny how I delivered a parcel to him on Monday then???
Stop making shit up to suit your own agenda![/quote]

What agenda is that ??

I was only going on what it said everywhere in the papers that he was in Dubai and not back in the uk ,are u his drug dealer did he pay u for the parcel or are u just bullshitting ?

[OneBardGooner]

Telling for me that when we attacked with pace we scored (Giroud's goal).

Cazorla is wasted wide left, much better central.

Ramsey showed he can play a role in the squad, I would never select him to start but he is making a reasonable fist of a deep all round midfielder and "gets stuck in", though as others mention his passing must improve.

Jenkinson showed heart.
Flappy showed mental strength.

I think Rosicky and JW together in midfield could/would destroy a lot of teams both drive the team forward and both can put their foot in when needed..

[p206ab]

[Wengerballs]

Is the squad going to take great confidence from this game and push on to nick 4th, or are we going to see the wheels come off again like last season in the run in? Buggeured if I know.

[begeegs]

Good result last night and a very good defensive performance to go along with that. I give credit to Wenger for dropping Vermaelen and Chesney. I thought that he would also drop Cazorla and Walcott which was when I did my nut in.

Anyone see any similarities to how we defended when we played Liverpool earlier this year?

It looked more of a team effort last night, so it begs the question as to why haven't we played like this for the whole year?

[Dan_85]

Hey Bayern, your home support really was fucking shit.

[I Hate Hleb]

It was a great result without being a great performance, although the defence were magnificent for a change. What it does prove is that if you defend properly, you've always got a chance of getting a result - even when you've not played at your best. Now why is that so difficult a concept for some to grasp?

Anyway, it will all count for nothing unless we apply that same determination in our remaining matches. If we do, then we've got a real chance of getting into a higher position. If we don't, then we almost definitely won't make the Top 4.

[highburyJD]

at the airport, abandoned by my partner in stein who took an earlier flight
epic hangover but feel proud and unbowed
proud of the performance our players put in
proud of the fact we outsung Bayern before during and after
proud of the sheer volume of liquid I managed to imbibe

read a few match reviews, not sure I agreed (surprise surprise)
Jenkinson called "bambi on ice" I thought he was immense
Gibbs ignored, he kept the best RB in the world and Thomas Muller very very quiet
TR7 (has to play most of the rest of the season, dont care about his alleged extra curriculars) put in a HUGE shift
played number 10 and centre midfielöd was everywhere
and if zou are gonna take a zellow take it like that, löved his nailing of rentboyRobben

Giroud mostly damned with faint praise - he also worked like speedfreakTrojan
was back defending exactly when we needed him
my mum and brother (and the papers) were surprised Feo got subbed
I thought it was a good move, Walcott was clever first half but faded
if only Gervinho had taken that chance

anyway, we are out. Any of those who said we were 100% loswers whipping boys wanna apologise ?

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

We slate when he gets it wrong so we should credit when he gets it right (even if ultimately its too late)

Dropping Ches and TV was brave, but correct.

Playing a 4-5-1 formation was correct and worked, the gameplan to bring on pacy players when the game stretched at the end was good (Gervinho and Ox bring the ball forward well, even if the former has a nosebleed when he gets near the goal)

Giroud had a decent game, what needs to be remembered is he is obviously adapting to being a lone frontman yet has a great return this season and does a great job defensively too - its lazy to slag him off in my opinion because while he isnt world class and needs support, he is playing to his ability and works for the team.

Ramsey was part of a midfield that did a great pressing job and protected the defence, so i wont have a go at him - what i like about him is that he never hides, he never shirks - he is a squad player, we all know, but you cannot say he doesnt work hard for the team. The injury means he will no longer be a creative player as was his original destiny, he will now be a "workman" sadly - but as i say, he never shirks.

Jenkinson was OUTSTANDING, as was Gibbs - id rather have Jenko who cares, playing at a 7/10 than a world class player who is capable of a 10/10 but only throwing it in now and again any day of the week.

We have faults, we have diced them to death - but you cannot do anything but praise the team last night - they showed the determination, skill and fight we have been crying out for. Its a Bluepront that must be followed going forward.


ps - Walcott was shit, again.

[Eboue-Why?]

2-0 in Munich is a great result in anybody's language. But yet again Wenger is off the hook when in fact he got it wrong again.

1) Ramsey will never be good enough but let's persist with him in the middle and put our most creative player out on the left, a particularly clever move when you're missing Wilshere.

2) Giroud...............need I say more

3) Walcott, 2 great crosses but has to give more. If he hasn't got the space to run with the ball, he's worth little
4) We had to get a minimum of 3 goals. Giroud and Ramsey should have been taken off at 55 mins, put Cazorla in the middle, Walcott up top, anything to change it but no, leave it till the fucking 70th min. Whether they got a goal was irrelevant. We needed 3 and Giroud was never gonna give you that.

On the plus side, defensively a lot better but this was the game that highlighted again that £8-10m players with a fading Manager are unlikely to ever win trophies.

Are points 3 and 4 contradicting themselves ? I agree with you 100% that if wally doesnt have the space to run with the ball then he provides nothing, but then surely he would have more hope of finding space on the wing than in the middle ? Fact is, and I have always said this, if we play against a team with any kind of tacical nous then feo is redundant cos if there is no space in behind for him to run then 90% of his game is wiped out and if 100% of his game doesnt bring enough to the table then 10% is fcuk all use Contrast that to the ox - granted he hasnt excelled this season but the guy can take on a player, beat him with skill (as opposed to just kicking the ball ahead of him and running after it like a possessed greyhound ) and can shoot with power from outside the area if the opportunity is there

What I was trying to say was that aiming high balls up to Giroud all day long which he was coming deep for and losing most of the time wasn't achieving anything. Yes he worked hard but it's never gonna cut the mustard at this level. 2 reasons for suggesting what I did was cos the ball played through to Walcott where he wasn't offside showed that there was space in behind them and Wenger had to try something different. We always quote Mourinho but he wouldn't have waited so long before trying to get the extra 2 goals

[ThomasMitchell]

at the airport, abandoned by my partner in stein who took an earlier flight
epic hangover but feel proud and unbowed
proud of the performance our players put in
proud of the fact we outsung Bayern before during and after
proud of the sheer volume of liquid I managed to imbibe

read a few match reviews, not sure I agreed (surprise surprise)
Jenkinson called "bambi on ice" I thought he was immense
Gibbs ignored, he kept the best RB in the world and Thomas Muller very very quiet
TR7 (has to play most of the rest of the season, dont care about his alleged extra curriculars) put in a HUGE shift
played number 10 and centre midfielöd was everywhere
and if zou are gonna take a zellow take it like that, löved his nailing of rentboyRobben

Giroud mostly damned with faint praise - he also worked like speedfreakTrojan
was back defending exactly when we needed him
my mum and brother (and the papers) were surprised Feo got subbed
I thought it was a good move, Walcott was clever first half but faded
if only Gervinho had taken that chance

anyway, we are out. Any of those who said we were 100% loswers whipping boys wanna apologise ?

Apologise? For what? You said it yourself in the same sentence, "we are out". Or does going out constitute success in the modern day world of Arsene Wenger? Reality is the only people needing to apologise here are Wenger and so many of his substandard players who turn on a bit of a performance when they have already blown it in the first leg. Not good enough. But anyway let's cling onto the fact that we are 'proud' of these failures and continue to bury our head in the sand. Let's see what will happen the rest of the season. Will this game be a catalyst for improved performances in the league? Of course not. This manager, this team learn nothing from the past (remember AC Milan? Hopeless in the first leg and then a 'heroic' performance in the second. Ring any bells this season?). No one game has any influence on the next - just a load of random performances (mostly bad) from game to game. Last night just underlined the reason why Wenger needs to go.

[flash gunner]

We slate when he gets it wrong so we should credit when he gets it right (even if ultimately its too late)

Dropping Ches and TV was brave, but correct.

Brave? We were 99.9% out before kick off yesterday he had nothing to lose by dropping them, brave is making these decisions to win the game and then actually getting through. In fact that goes for the whole team these bottling w**kers had nothing to lose and therefore the pressure was off, when it was on we crumbled (1st leg)

[ThomasMitchell]

We slate when he gets it wrong so we should credit when he gets it right (even if ultimately its too late)

Dropping Ches and TV was brave, but correct.

Brave? We were 99.9% out before kick off yesterday he had nothing to lose by dropping them, brave is making these decisions to win the game and then actually getting through. In fact that goes for the whole team these bottling w**kers had nothing to lose and therefore the pressure was off, when it was on we crumbled (1st leg)

Totally correct!