Do ManUre get help from referees or is this a myth?

[highburyJD]

here's a couple of links. First one is game '50' at Old Trafford
I was there. My opinion was then and is now:
this game was fixed, Mike Riley (now head of selecting English referees) was never going to let us win
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM747L9Wf8M
he didn't care how blatant he was.
Not seen many decisions like the Rio last man rugby tackle on Freddy...

This is a blog that shows what happens when Fergie and referees disagree
http://diminbeirut.typepad.com/my-blog/ ... there.html

I believe the only teams that outstrip Fergie's ManUre sides are MASSIVELY superior to them
if it's close the refs will swing it

[northbank123]

I'm sure there is a similar thread to this one already which started with someone pulling the same/similar article...

[I Hate Hleb]

Sound like those fans of the smaller clubs that are constantly complaining that the 'big teams get all the decisions'. Embarrassing - unless you're implicitly admitting that it's an indication of how far we've fallen that we're no longer one of those 'big clubs'?

[Steve_I]

This has been discussed somewhere here before I'm sure, as it was where I first found a link to the debatable decision site - a bit of fun but nonetheless interesting.

Currently it seems that this year it is US that have reaped the benefit from refereeing decisions more than any other team this season.

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/engli ... gue-tables

[flash gunner]

Decisions even themselves out over a season. The best teams win and worst teams comes bottom. If refs/the establishment was against us Arsenal Football Club we would never have been 'allowed' to be the only team in over 100 years to go a whole season unbeaten

Some games look bad as refs have off days and some are downright shit at their job but purposely cheating? no

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I think your onto something here JD

[northbank123]

This has been discussed somewhere here before I'm sure, as it was where I first found a link to the debatable decision site - a bit of fun but nonetheless interesting.

Currently it seems that this year it is US that have reaped the benefit from refereeing decisions more than any other team this season.

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/engli ... gue-tables

A debatable decisions table? Even on here that takes the cake for ridiculousness!

[highburyJD]

read the article - every time a ref goes 'against' Fergie they don't get to ref ManUre for months, years even
I'm sure all the refs know it and of course affects them

I didn't say, and don't think, too many decisions go against us,
we are not a rival to Manchester United.
5 years ago we were and I believe that then they did.

Sorry if this is a repeat thread but the underrated/overrated legends one was getting hit with this stuff

[topgoon]

Sound like those fans of the smaller clubs that are constantly complaining that the 'big teams get all the decisions'. Embarrassing - unless you're implicitly admitting that it's an indication of how far we've fallen that we're no longer one of those 'big clubs'?

Big club,small club is neither here nor there, but it is a fact that if you p*ss Whiskey nose off, you don't get near their games for a long time as a ref. That's not a conspiracy, just a fact.

I am not old enough to remember every single one but I'm sure in their day as the biggest club, the red dippers used to influence decisions at the FA. You just don't p*ss your biggest clients off...simples

[Steve_I]

This has been discussed somewhere here before I'm sure, as it was where I first found a link to the debatable decision site - a bit of fun but nonetheless interesting.

Currently it seems that this year it is US that have reaped the benefit from refereeing decisions more than any other team this season.

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/engli ... gue-tables

A debatable decisions table? Even on here that takes the cake for ridiculousness!

indeed.

[stg]

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/referees

[highburyJD]

Mourinho's Chelski, the Invincibles, £halfabillion Citeh, to finish ahead of ManUre
you need a super team.
IMO the difference is referee management.

[donaldo]

1999 cup semi final we got a last minute penalty which if we had scored would have blown their treble out of the water as there was no time left on the clock.That was after Keane got sent off and they played 50 mins with 10 men

Oh wait a minute that Giggs goal was miles offside.You are right Fergie did have Ellerey in his pocket

[I Hate Hleb]

Sound like those fans of the smaller clubs that are constantly complaining that the 'big teams get all the decisions'. Embarrassing - unless you're implicitly admitting that it's an indication of how far we've fallen that we're no longer one of those 'big clubs'?

Big club,small club is neither here nor there, but it is a fact that if you p*ss Whiskey nose off, you don't get near their games for a long time as a ref. That's not a conspiracy, just a fact.

I am not old enough to remember every single one but I'm sure in their day as the biggest club, the red dippers used to influence decisions at the FA. You just don't p*ss your biggest clients off...simples

Indeed, Liverpool did get a fair majority of the 50/50 decisions go their way, because as you say, the biggest tend to get the 'benefit of the doubt'. But that's a long way from saying that referees deliberately go out of their way to help United or any other club win matches (aside obviously from some of the foreign games when the refs have been proven to have taken a back-hander), or indeed go out of their way to ensure we don't win them.

Bad as Mike Reilly's performance on that infamous day at Old Trafford was, if Sol doesn't clumsily stick out a leg, we don't give him the opportunity to give that penalty. Therefore we could have at least maintained the unbeaten run, regardless of whether 'the ref was never going to let us win' as was claimed. Similarly, if we don't give the ball sloppily away at the back, United don't get their second goal either.

[highburyJD]

1999 cup semi final we got a last minute penalty which if we had scored would have blown their treble out of the water as there was no time left on the clock.That was after Keane got sent off and they played 50 mins with 10 men

Oh wait a minute that Giggs goal was miles offside.You are right Fergie did have Ellerey in his pocket

1999 semi was a perfect example of ref management - they rotated their 'fouler'
pretty much every ManUre player had received a last warning before Keane went

I don't think '99 was fixed
this thread was started because of a discussion elsewhere about the Eduardo season
personally i think something dodgy went on that year

Anyone remember in the Birmingham game when we were 2-1 up and Adebayor went through one on one with the keeper and just had to square the ball to Bendtner for a tap in but put it wide?

I guess he was in on it too eh? Nothing whatsoever to do with Wenger putting two players on the pitch who fucking hated each other at the same time.

I don't for a second think I'll persuade people here that ManUre title, 5 years ago, was won by nefarious means
when factual evidence, of referees being punished for giving decisions 'against' manUre, is rejected
and the 'evens itself out' BS is being recycled

the only 'evidence' I could have is circumstantial - I remember clearly that time
I remember that never before or afterwards did I think I'd seen such a run of decisions go against us

ManUre's last title was also awarded with a HUGE helping hand, every single away win the ref was key

Bad as Mike Reilly's performance on that infamous day at Old Trafford was, if Sol doesn't clumsily stick out a leg, we don't give him the opportunity to give that penalty. Therefore we could have at least maintained the unbeaten run, regardless of whether 'the ref was never going to let us win' as was claimed. Similarly, if we don't give the ball sloppily away at the back, United don't get their second goal either.

IHH do you believe it is possible for a ref to fix a game?
if not this discussion is redundant.

If I wanted to fix a game I'd refuse to book one side, book the other side for their first foul,
ignore fouls (by 'your' side) to break up attacks - which obv encourages more of the same
'your' side, even if they're not "in on it" knows they can push the boundaries
the other side becomes frustrated, that will normally be enough
if "your" side can't score, you give them BS decisions so they can get the ball into the box
then you award a penalty.