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Top Londoner wrote:David Moyes has defended his team's muscular approach during Tuesday’s 0-0 draw at Arsenal.
Everton's gutsy, full-blooded display earned plenty of plaudits but Gunners boss Arsene Wenger felt otherwise.
Wenger said: "I felt that in the first half the referee didn't deal at all well with the intimidating physical challenges."
But Moyes responded in bullish fashion.
“Do you mean when we were a little bit rough with the tackling? Up north we do that quite often. That's actually allowed in football,” he said.
"We weren't going to come here and let Arsenal stroke the ball around and make 600 tackles. He was upset. I just thought he was quite a lot."
Wenger felt Darron Gibson was fortunate to escape a red card after some robust tackling in the first half but the Everton manager insisted he was never worried that the Blues’ physicality would overstep the mark.
Moyes added: “I wasn't nervous because I thought we made it a right good game. Everton got the crowd going. I've been at the Emirates and it's been quiet, but Everton got the crowd going.
"Because you make tackles, not every one is a foul, and not every one means you have to kick it out of play."
@Everton FC site
Moyes is right. Good hard tackling is part of the game, or used to be. People like Wenger would eradiacte it completely to allow his perfect passing game. Why should a team come to ours and stand back and allow us to play lots of pretty passes around?
Fact is Everton were physically stronger than us. Their players looked bigger and stronger. Our team, in particular the manager, need to man up. Why people whine when a team get stuck in fairly is strange. Everton didn't go over the top at all.
Good even game, unfortunately our star striker, while doing his share of running, can't hit a barn door!!
Fulham is a must win, as for sure, Ferguson will love to rub our noses in it next week and just re-iterate how far ahead United are from us.
In fairness I didn't see Wenger get tackled but if he did then it is very unpsorting and no wonder he made a meal of it, he wouldn't have had any shin-pads in
Top Londoner wrote:David Moyes has defended his team's muscular approach during Tuesday’s 0-0 draw at Arsenal.
Everton's gutsy, full-blooded display earned plenty of plaudits but Gunners boss Arsene Wenger felt otherwise.
Wenger said: "I felt that in the first half the referee didn't deal at all well with the intimidating physical challenges."
But Moyes responded in bullish fashion.
“Do you mean when we were a little bit rough with the tackling? Up north we do that quite often. That's actually allowed in football,” he said.
"We weren't going to come here and let Arsenal stroke the ball around and make 600 tackles. He was upset. I just thought he was quite a lot."
Wenger felt Darron Gibson was fortunate to escape a red card after some robust tackling in the first half but the Everton manager insisted he was never worried that the Blues’ physicality would overstep the mark.
Moyes added: “I wasn't nervous because I thought we made it a right good game. Everton got the crowd going. I've been at the Emirates and it's been quiet, but Everton got the crowd going.
"Because you make tackles, not every one is a foul, and not every one means you have to kick it out of play."
@Everton FC site
Moyes is right. Good hard tackling is part of the game, or used to be. People like Wenger would eradiacte it completely to allow his perfect passing game. Why should a team come to ours and stand back and allow us to play lots of pretty passes around?
Fact is Everton were physically stronger than us. Their players looked bigger and stronger. Our team, in particular the manager, need to man up. Why people whine when a team get stuck in fairly is strange. Everton didn't go over the top at all.
Good even game, unfortunately our star striker, while doing his share of running, can't hit a barn door!!
Fulham is a must win, as for sure, Ferguson will love to rub our noses in it next week and just re-iterate how far ahead United are from us.
I agree football is a mans game although there is no doubt Gibson should of seen yellow twice and the ref bottled the second one, despite what Moyes said he knew Gibson was treading a fine line hence his substitution a short while later.
I also believe Wenger and a lot of supporters views of what are good or bad tackles are clouded somewhat after Eduardo, Diaby and Ramsey were crocked by poor challenges.
highburyJD wrote:Wilshere always stays down, typical English cheat
After losing Cesc and vanStaplecunt our team is seriously lacking in wankers
JW10 is a bit of a bastard on the pitch, good, we need that
Agreed : more dirty, whiny, snidy, win-at-all-costs Bastards required.
I thought Everton's physical approach was very similar to how we used to play under Graham.
Hard, a bit cynical, but not reckless or full of career ending challenges.
What caused Sam Hamamm to say that we were the only team that he respected and knew his Wimbledon side could not intimidate.
As others say, the way to deal with it is to sharpen up our own passing, and give a bit back on the physical side.
Not studs up challenges, but do a bit of what Adams was good at, a strong early challenge to put down a marker, and then a few of Keown's specialities; fingernails down the shin, pinching the thigh (ooh matron) etc.
Just to let the opposition know they are in a game.
QuartzGooner wrote:I thought Everton's physical approach was very similar to how we used to play under Graham.
Hard, a bit cynical, but not reckless or full of career ending challenges.
What caused Sam Hamamm to say that we were the only team that he respected and knew his Wimbledon side could not intimidate.
As others say, the way to deal with it is to sharpen up our own passing, and give a bit back on the physical side.
Not studs up challenges, but do a bit of what Adams was good at, a strong early challenge to put down a marker, and then a few of Keown's specialities; fingernails down the shin, pinching the thigh (ooh matron) etc.
Just to let the opposition know they are in a game.
Wilshere did this in the tunnel, to his credit.
Did you see what that was over, that mirrallas squeezed his drinks bottle at him (lucozade I think ), lucky he hadn't done it to van skunk, it could have killed him
QuartzGooner wrote:I thought Everton's physical approach was very similar to how we used to play under Graham.
Hard, a bit cynical, but not reckless or full of career ending challenges.
What caused Sam Hamamm to say that we were the only team that he respected and knew his Wimbledon side could not intimidate.
As others say, the way to deal with it is to sharpen up our own passing, and give a bit back on the physical side.
Not studs up challenges, but do a bit of what Adams was good at, a strong early challenge to put down a marker, and then a few of Keown's specialities; fingernails down the shin, pinching the thigh (ooh matron) etc.
Just to let the opposition know they are in a game.
Wilshere did this in the tunnel, to his credit.
We have to many NICE players Quartz, you can imagine some being knocked off the ball and then apologising for getting in the way! You would of thought with Bouldie involved we would of had a harder side to our game but as someone said earlier Wenger believes football should be a non contact sport, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd banned tackling altogether on the training ground.
QuartzGooner wrote:I thought Everton's physical approach was very similar to how we used to play under Graham.
Hard, a bit cynical, but not reckless or full of career ending challenges.
What caused Sam Hamamm to say that we were the only team that he respected and knew his Wimbledon side could not intimidate.
As others say, the way to deal with it is to sharpen up our own passing, and give a bit back on the physical side.
Not studs up challenges, but do a bit of what Adams was good at, a strong early challenge to put down a marker, and then a few of Keown's specialities; fingernails down the shin, pinching the thigh (ooh matron) etc.
Just to let the opposition know they are in a game.
Wilshere did this in the tunnel, to his credit.
Did you see what that was over, that mirrallas squeezed his drinks bottle at him (lucozade I think ), lucky he hadn't done it to van skunk, it could have killed him
and it worked, Wilshere and Walcott were pretty much anonymous
I don't understand why Feo drops deep when he's not in the game,
if he at least stayed on the shoulder, and continued to make runs in behind, he creates space for others
poor games happen to everyone but he contributed very little yesterday because of a failure to do the job properly
maybe his presence lessened Baines influence but I don't think that was stategic - he was popping up on the other wing trying to get away!
on current form I'd rather the uber-frustrating Gervinho who you can at least guarantee will be involved
he will make the defenders think about what to do. Standing near Feo was enough to negate him last night.
QuartzGooner wrote:I thought Everton's physical approach was very similar to how we used to play under Graham.
Hard, a bit cynical, but not reckless or full of career ending challenges.
What caused Sam Hamamm to say that we were the only team that he respected and knew his Wimbledon side could not intimidate.
As others say, the way to deal with it is to sharpen up our own passing, and give a bit back on the physical side.
Not studs up challenges, but do a bit of what Adams was good at, a strong early challenge to put down a marker, and then a few of Keown's specialities; fingernails down the shin, pinching the thigh (ooh matron) etc.
Just to let the opposition know they are in a game.
Wilshere did this in the tunnel, to his credit.
Did you see what that was over, that mirrallas squeezed his drinks bottle at him (lucozade I think ), lucky he hadn't done it to van skunk, it could have killed him
Youre right snidey little *word censored* (mirrales that is not you lefty ) glad jack went for him, they were obviously told to target wilshere
I was just gonna tell my mum of you.....
Yeah it was proper snidey but no doubt moyes will say it's all part of the game and all the sky and bbc pundits will agree, Arsenal don't like it up em Especially water up their noses
I can see it now, when we play up at the britannia next all their ball boys giving our players a snidey squirt from a water bottle at throw-ins and corners..........whatever next......
Enjoyed the game, and a decent atmosphere from where i was.
Giroud was ok, the problem is when he doesnt play well who can step up and score? Cazorla MUST play in the middle, Podolski MUST start and Walcott MUST fuck off........the bloke cannot control a football and is nowhere near good enough to play for this club.
Ramsey MOM second time in 4 days, which considering he covers every blade of grass is top notch.
afcforever wrote:The second half we played very well. If only he had played Podolski from the off, I think we would of won.
Giroud not up for it at the mo, but hopefully next season will be a better player. Drogba wasn't the greatest when he started with chels.
Ramsey is getting better and better, playing in the middle is where hes got to stay.
chels? really? The Drog, no?
Is is that there are so many more Chelsea fans around North London (being generous to Enfield ) than in my day that people have more chelsea supporting mates and pick this kind of up. Just wondered, minor details, bit bored at the moment
Very far away from the truth, just cant bring myself to type the whole name.
Thought that all the centre-halves played well but you have to put it in perspective that both teams were playing a lone (average) striker. All Everton did was pump long balls to Anichebe (although we did deal with it better than I'd have expected) and despite Giroud's general sloth-like demeanour and our inability to get on the ball in dangerous areas for most of the game it was down to Giroud's inability to finish, rather than Distin's brilliance, that he didn't end up with at least one goal.
northbank123 wrote:was down to Giroud's inability to finish, rather than Distin's brilliance, that he didn't end up with at least one goal.
I'll have to watch the replays (still not done it)
but wasn't Distin involved in foiling Giroud from Rambo and Ox's crosses?
The Ox one especially I thought was a brilliant clearance when i first saw it
northbank123 wrote:was down to Giroud's inability to finish, rather than Distin's brilliance, that he didn't end up with at least one goal.
I'll have to watch the replays (still not done it)
but wasn't Distin involved in foiling Giroud from Rambo and Ox's crosses?
The Ox one especially I thought was a brilliant clearance when i first saw it
Chamberlain's was actually a shit ball and unnecessarily gave the defender a chance. Whether Giroud should have held his run, possibly, he was actually offside although not flagged. It was actually Coleman who just about got his foot in.
Distin may have been the one putting the pressure on from Ramsey's cross but it was still a relatively straightforward finish required. Given the pace of the ball and position it came from there was really no excuse for the centre-half to let the forward go.
), lucky he hadn't done it to van skunk, it could have killed him 
) glad jack went for him, they were obviously told to target wilshere
