THE WENGER THREAD

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I have outed no one

and wasn't Tevez on loan at united so when the loan ended he could go where ever he wanted?

Don't know

It was rumoured that he was sold for £43 million but that was denied, I thought that they had sorted out the loan business with hte sports group otherwise manure would have been deducted points.

Fuck it I'm gonna google it now

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I have outed no one

and wasn't Tevez on loan at united so when the loan ended he could go where ever he wanted?

Don't know

It was rumoured that he was sold for £43 million but that was denied, I thought that they had sorted out the loan business with hte sports group otherwise manure would have been deducted points.

Fuck it I'm gonna google it now

Yep you were right Flashard

Manure did want to sign him on permanently but it didn't happen and Media Sports Investments owned and sold him to shitty.

Anyhow I stand by my point, he was allowed to move from manure to a rival

EDIT:

Fuck me I've pulled one out of the bag here.....didn't Fergie sell us Sylvestre

[OneBardGooner]

Steve I – I find your summation that those critical of Arsene on here are merely “follow(ing) the local path” a tad insulting to be honest. I for one really don’t give much of a shit what other people believe; I speak (and write) only for myself. I love and respect Arsene for what he achieved at our great club between 1997 and 2006 but I no longer believe he is the right man to lead us to what should be the only thing that matters to football fans; trophies! We are football fans – not accountants or economists – finances should NEVER be spoken of as if they are the equal of winning a trophy. Wenger has proven by failure season after season that he is no longer the right man for the job. Many things lead me to this conclusion, but mostly: the continued renewal (and improving) of rubbish players’ contracts; the refusal to be pragmatic and drop Tippy Tappy Barca-Lite and play to the strengths of the players he has not the players he wishes he had; and things like selling our best player to our supposed rivals.

Ask yourself this; would Ferguson ever, ever, in a million years, sell his best player to a team he viewed as rivals? Then ask yourself why that is?

Apologies. certainly no insult meant but I guess much the same as grouping all 'AKB's' into the same sheep pen, as it were, that happens around here, I have done likewise from the other direction and clearly I know that not all think the same. Folk do have individual opinions but sometimes for ease of response, such things fall from my fingers as I type. I can empathise with that feeling of being insulted though, just (if you can ) put yourself in my shoes and read some of the 'anti akb' comments (for want of a better phrase).

I truly believe that Arsene will prove to have been so much less powerful than folk here would have us believe when it comes to such as RVP to united and RVP and his agents and money are by far the biggest driver of the deal there, by far! so much so I said by far twice and have wasted time typing this rather than deleting one by far.

While I as much as any here can't abide that what happened happened, I don't think the Ferguson argument holds much water given the Player he sold to real madrid and while many may say that is different, I don't believe it is when you strip it bare and ask what trophies/titles are important to ferguson. CL/PL they're both up there I'm sure, on his priority list. I think the anger we all feel about it is greatly exaggerated by how fresh the wound is and how much that wound has been poked with a dirty stick so immediately and consistently since it was made.

I'm loathe to go down a list of players to try and cancel out every perceived bad decision with an apparent good one (and there HAVE to have been good ones otherwise we would be in a fucking darn site worse shape than top 5/6 of the PL).

I'd suggest, given a few years 'average decisions' a team would be in an 'average position' 9th to 12th? at absolute best. If we look at all the leagues then any premiership team is above average. We are measured against our all of our opponents surely, not just another 4 or 5. Yes Arsene has made some, with hindsight, questionable decisions but I purport that he makes a lot more 'good' decisions that get overlooked hereabouts and our position, as much as it could be better, WOULD be a bloody site worse if he were the incompetent blundering cognitively challeneged individual that some would have us believe he is.

Regarding not giving a shit what other people believe; I would like to say I agree with you there and I am exactly the same. However, if I didn't let it affect me, would I be responding to the opinions of people who I don't know on a forum on 'tinternetz? Nope, I of course am affected by others opinions and while my views are my own they are inevitable shaped, strengthened and changed by the views of others. In my case of course, more stubbonly and deeper into AKBworld

heck, rambled on there....

Good post steve i...

I heard a journo (who is a Arsenal fan) - from the telegraph I think - say "He doesn't want a change of manager, but he wishes our manager would 'change' "...I was one of the last on here to 'go over to the dark side' - having seen him give extended (well paid) contracts to the likes of Denilson, Bendtner and Eboue - AND go on to buy shyte like Light Bulb Head (Silvestre) a manure cast off.

Then buy class players - like Arshavin - only to then play them out of position, which he has a habit of doing....

He (Wenger) is trying to adhere to a financial model that - due now more then ever - to the global credit crunch - is no longer workable - He seems to be thinking it will all change...but we are stuck with the profit/greed driven ways in business - Just as Society it...it is ALL ABOUT MONEY - and while other teams are going with that and buying themselves success, he seems to be the lone back guard - trying to still do it by the old rules....He is also stubborn a f*ck and the kind of person the more you tell/say not to - he goes in the opposite direction. Sadly his way of doing things makes the club oddles of money - whilst the likes of me and you - have to endure season after season with No Trophies.

I was once someone who thought he had it right and that he did indeed have a Magic Hat stashed away somewhere...Alas that is no longer true...

I wish he would 'Change' - nothing would please me more than for Wenger to re-produce the success of his first half of tenure as manager...as I have/had great love and respect for him - for the success he brought us, But, he will not change and I cannot see us winning anything - with him at the helm with some players that are not good enough to wear the Red & White of The Arsenal.

Sad but(for me) True.

[DB10GOONER]

If you look back to 2007ish Donaldo, who as far as i can see is one of the most Anti-Wengerites these days, was on here telling people to give him time he'll get things sorted out. Many accusations have been levelled at this forum over time and one of them is this is THE most anti Wenger forum about but i find find it refreshing to see how people like donaldo have changed and that he or any of us haven't always been frustrated by Wenger and the current set up.

I have no problem with people still trusting Wengers judgement but looking back we all did at one point or another and rightly or wrongly views have changed

it does certainly seem to be 'up there' in the antiwengerleague (lol remember the anti nowhere league? Shit band who set out to be shit and achieved it lol ) as forum go. I see your point about it refreshing to see folk can change their standpoint although I wonder how much of that is down to the envioronment? I would hazard a guess a large percentage. Makes it neither right nor wrong, but it is certainly a place where the general view is perhaps greater than the sum of the parts and rather like a black hole is difficult to avoid getting sucked in. (obv this is how I'd see it ofc)

Looking back through the thread the folk still about and commenting tend to be those who 'follow the local path' as it were and those who stand against them seem to either have fucked off or are lurking to await the inevitable sea change and come flooding back to shout I told you so when people like me are proved right (perhaps)

I dont remember that band..... Maybe people have followed the crowd but having been on here for far too long now you can see the steady change in peoples views. As the thread shows in 2008 there was a few wanting change and steadily, possibly following the decline in our fortunes, others have changed too. Even mods brazilianGOONER and then DB10 not that long ago was saying i'll give him til the summer to sort things out. When it didn't happen opinions have changed. As i said i dont mind people having the view he is still the right man and enjoy the non-abusive debate of it but i feel you/they are wrong

Flash – I Should clarify that I have been questioning Wenger’s policies on and off the pitch since the failure to strengthen in Jan 2008 cost us a very winnable league. I then decided I’d support his “project” until May 2010, out of loyalty and hope. Which I did, but still always questioning his policies. When we were still potless in May 2010 (but more importantly, when it was very obvious that Arsene was not going to do what needed to be done by getting rid of the rubbish) I decided that’s that – enough! I’ve wanted him out since then. No one can say I didn’t give the man a fair chance!

Steve I – I find your summation that those critical of Arsene on here are merely “follow(ing) the local path” a tad insulting to be honest. I for one really don’t give much of a shit what other people believe; I speak (and write) only for myself. I love and respect Arsene for what he achieved at our great club between 1997 and 2006 but I no longer believe he is the right man to lead us to what should be the only thing that matters to football fans; trophies! We are football fans – not accountants or economists – finances should NEVER be spoken of as if they are the equal of winning a trophy. Wenger has proven by failure season after season that he is no longer the right man for the job. Many things lead me to this conclusion, but mostly: the continued renewal (and improving) of rubbish players’ contracts; the refusal to be pragmatic and drop Tippy Tappy Barca-Lite and play to the strengths of the players he has not the players he wishes he had; and things like selling our best player to our supposed rivals.

Ask yourself this; would Ferguson ever, ever, in a million years, sell his best player to a team he viewed as rivals? Then ask yourself why that is?

Two things mate, 1) Yous an akb innit (Flash outed you mate, not me) , 2) Didn't Fergie sell Tevez to Man City, at the time I would have said he was certainly one of their best players, or am I just being pernickety

Two things right back at you;

1. Yoo is diss'in me and me bluds init bomba clart man dem braaaaappp!!

2. Take your foot out of your mouth at your earliest convenience, mate!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Ask yourself this; would Ferguson ever, ever, in a million years, sell his best player to a team he viewed as rivals? Then ask yourself why that is?

Two things mate, 1) Yous an akb innit (Flash outed you mate, not me) , 2) Didn't Fergie sell Tevez to Man City, at the time I would have said he was certainly one of their best players, or am I just being pernickety

Two things right back at you;

1. Yoo is diss'in me and me bluds init bomba clart man dem braaaaappp!!

2. Take your foot out of your mouth at your earliest convenience, mate!

Another language to your already extensive repitoire, stop showing off dude

[DB10GOONER]

Another language to your already extensive repitoire, stop showing off dude

Hokay, seenior! Ariba!

[I Hate Hleb]

Lefty and DB10...

[Arsenal Till I Die]

My feelings toward Wenger has changed from:

2007-2008 - He needs time to re-build, we'll be great again.

Aug 2009-Jan2010 - Fuck it, it'll be a laugh.

Jan 2010 - Present - Wenger OUT!

[g88ner]

My feelings toward Wenger has changed from:

2007-2008 - He needs time to re-build, we'll be great again.

Aug 2009-Jan2010 - Fuck it, it'll be a laugh.

Jan 2010 - Present - Wenger OUT!

Yep, that would be a nice present!

[Arsenal Till I Die]

My feelings toward Wenger has changed from:

2007-2008 - He needs time to re-build, we'll be great again.

Aug 2009-Jan2010 - Fuck it, it'll be a laugh.

Jan 2010 - Present - Wenger OUT!

Yep, that would be a nice present!

Typing on my Blackberry while on a bus is probably not the best thing to do.

[northbank123]

Given his tenure at Arsenal I just cannot see that he will ever admit that our ambitions are too low or that somebody else could be doing a better job than him. He will only leave at the end of a contract, and even if the final year on this one is indeed optional or whatever, I think he would definitely stay on for it as it's been so widely reported that his contract runs until 2014 that it would still be admitting defeat.

[tel]

Can I drive the double decker bus to Paris with Wenger plus around 15/16 players & the medical team on it?

I predict him leaving the club will be greeted with North Korean style mourning in the bowl as the disciples unravel in grief. The rest of us will be in the boozers celebrating

[Arsenal Till I Die]

When he does leave, be it this summer or next I think we should all arrange a big meet up and get curb crawling kshnickered.

[green gooner]

After my trip over to the game against ManUre at the weekend, I now realise that those of us who want to see change at our club are very much in the very tiny minority.

When Podolski was replaced by forehead I voiced my disgust at how Wenger was destroying the club but was met with total loyalty from the surrounding support. A wall of worship for the manager with one guy telling his young boy to ignore me

There is no hope for change when the man can still comand total respect. Never worry about RvP , let's all sing another anti Spurs song

[Wengerballs]

Please take him PSG, oh dear God please please pleaasseee........I know the rumours are probably all bollox but my desire to see Arsene Clouseau depart is now even greater than my desire to see Arsenal win. And that is a tragic and sad place to be as a gooner.