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DB10GOONER wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:I'm now anti-AW because he's not maintained the strength of the team and hasn't won anything. If we suddenly signed two or three world class players and won a couple of competitions (especially the CL) I would happily put up with the "meental strength" and "remarkable charactair" bollocks he comes out with.
I see you've been taking your Mexican language lessons off of DB :roll: :lol:
Eye! Wheech bastardo sed dat?!! I weel keel yoo yoo fockin' pootah!! :x :box: :cussing:


:-P :wink:
:lol: :lol:

The man of many tongues :shock: showing off again..... :roll: :lol:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:I'm now anti-AW because he's not maintained the strength of the team and hasn't won anything. If we suddenly signed two or three world class players and won a couple of competitions (especially the CL) I would happily put up with the "meental strength" and "remarkable charactair" bollocks he comes out with.
I see you've been taking your Mexican language lessons off of DB :roll: :lol:
Eye! Wheech bastardo sed dat?!! I weel keel yoo yoo fockin' pootah!! :x :box: :cussing:


:-P :wink:
:lol: :lol:

The man of many tongues :shock: showing off again..... :roll: :lol:
talking of showing off. Do you speak any Argentinian DB?
I'll be at a wharehouse party in BsAs tonight (yes whArehouse)
any tips on becoming a cunning linguist?

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highburyJD wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:I'm now anti-AW because he's not maintained the strength of the team and hasn't won anything. If we suddenly signed two or three world class players and won a couple of competitions (especially the CL) I would happily put up with the "meental strength" and "remarkable charactair" bollocks he comes out with.
I see you've been taking your Mexican language lessons off of DB :roll: :lol:
Eye! Wheech bastardo sed dat?!! I weel keel yoo yoo fockin' pootah!! :x :box: :cussing:


:-P :wink:
:lol: :lol:

The man of many tongues :shock: showing off again..... :roll: :lol:
talking of showing off. Do you speak any Argentinian DB?
I'll be at a wharehouse party in BsAs tonight (yes whArehouse)
any tips on becoming a cunning linguist?

:lol:

Hola! Dees I doo speaky! Dos fave greeting ees "Poota madre"! Dees ees de troot! Ariba! 8)

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Not much happening today, so I thought I would post this for the wind up. :shock: :D

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/sport-c ... 28745.html

Jurgen Klopp is Germany’s version of Arsene Wenger - and he might end up replacing the Arsenal boss .



As the build up to the Champions League final intensifies, so does gossip about the futures of Germany’s managers of the moment.

While the 68-year-old Jupp Heynckes is likely to settle for a season as Jose Mourinho’s successor at Real Madrid, Jurgen Klopp is only 45 and should be around for another decade or more. I’m not alone in hoping some of that time will be spent in England.

Klopp is Mourinho with fewer wiles: a big personality who would feed our craving, shared with the Germans, for soap opera.

If the German game has come to represent football with a smile, Klopp is its most infectious grin. And often broadest, for in each of the past two seasons he has guided Borussia Dortmund to the Bundesliga title. If they beat Heynckes’s Bayern Munich on Saturday, you will need a wide screen.

Perhaps because he is so tall, he reminds me of Arsene Wenger. Like the Arsenal manager, he had an unremarkable playing career before employing his gift for leadership. Klopp took Mainz into the top division and then down again before enjoying sustained success with the more financially muscular club from the Ruhr.

Young players flourish under his wing. The Bayern-bound Mario Gotze is the most exciting to have emerged from Borussia’s system, while Robert Lewandowski, brought from Poland for a mere £3.5million three years ago, looked worth ten times as much in destroying Real Madrid in the semi-finals.

Klopp (above) is determined to keep Lewandowski for another season and he might be wise not to rush away from a team expertly tailored to his technical cloth.

Bayern, as well as Manchester United, covet Lewandowski and it is disturbing that Germany’s champions should be so blatantly seeking to weaken their main rivals.

At least Spain has a duopoly; the Bundesliga would be ill-served by a monopoly. But Klopp clearly has no intention of shrinking from an uneven battle and, if he prevents Lewandowski from switching — from becoming Germany’s version of Robin van Persie — it will be a significant achievement.

Perhaps as early as the end of next season, when Wenger’s contract expires, and certainly at some stage, the greatest Arsenal boss since Herbert Chapman will have to be replaced. There are not many big enough for the job — and Klopp is the biggest of them.

Patrick Barclay.

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For someone that earns his living writing about it, Patrick Barclay really hasn’t got a fucking Scooby about football. Klopp reminds him of Wenger? Young players flourish under his wing? Our youth set up is a fucking joke under Wenger – producing loanees for Palace and Colchester. And Klopp is determined to keep his best player? Wenger sold ours! Klopp does tactics, Wenger likes the mixed green and orange ones!! Where’s the fucking similarity Barclay you plank! :roll:

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Your wrong mr Tops, there is a lot going on today.....

It's my Sons Liams 21st Birthday TODAY :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Your wrong mr Tops, there is a lot going on today.....

It's my Sons Liams 21st Birthday TODAY :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:


Well done to your son lefty. Congrats mate.

Want to put up a titty thread for him?

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Top Londoner wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Your wrong mr Tops, there is a lot going on today.....

It's my Sons Liams 21st Birthday TODAY :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:


Well done to your son lefty. Congrats mate.

Want to put up a titty thread for him?
If I remember how to :oops: :lol:

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Clash wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....
Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!
One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.

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LDB wrote:
Clash wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....
Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!
One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.
I agree- there is nothing more that I would love than to be proved wrong and for us to be the PL heavyweight (on the pitch) we once were. What is really pissing people off is that we know this is not going to happen and the club are taking the piss out of the fans with the extortionate pricing and the 4th place trophy mentality.

This is a cause of deep resentment and hatred towards a man who was once a hero to us all. It just looks like he and the board have been corrupted by money.

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!2 months ago Fergie lost out on a title on goal dfference, some coaches would accept that and say with a bit of tinkering we could go 1 better next season. Not SAF, he knew exactly what he wanted and went and got it, wins this time round at a canter.
Now imagine that scenario at the Emirates, Wenger would tell the board his team were unlucky, showed great mental strength to finish 2nd, and expects more from Gervinho & Giroud next season. No need to chase the best striker in the league, paying top dollar, give Gervinho a pay rise and I know a couple of 17 year old players who I can develop in a few years, lets buy them.

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I'm still against 8)

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LDB wrote:
Clash wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....
Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!
One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.


While I understand your reasons for this post, I still need to question you on the highlighted bit - on what are you basing that ? Is he getting the best out of podolski, sagna, bfg, chesney, arshavin or tv5 ? He signs players like giroud and chamakh (and the worlds greatest danish striker for that matter) and plays them in a system which would never be compatible to their "skill set". How many players can we say that he got the best out of them ? For me that statement suggests that these players were performing at or above the highest level that their talents allow and I am not sure that I can agree with that at all

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augie wrote:
LDB wrote:
Clash wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....
Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!
One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.


While I understand your reasons for this post, I still need to question you on the highlighted bit - on what are you basing that ? Is he getting the best out of podolski, sagna, bfg, chesney, arshavin or tv5 ? He signs players like giroud and chamakh (and the worlds greatest danish striker for that matter) and plays them in a system which would never be compatible to their "skill set". How many players can we say that he got the best out of them ? For me that statement suggests that these players were performing at or above the highest level that their talents allow and I am not sure that I can agree with that at all
Podolski it's hard to say, he has produced plenty of end product for us without looking 100% convincing but then he hardly pulled up many trees in his last year at cologne. We'll see if this ankle injury can be cleared over the summer and I'd give him one more season before I judge.

He took Sagna from french football and has seen him become one of the most consistent right backs in world football. Harsh to accuse Wenger of not getting the best out of him for all the time he's been at the club.

People are probably aware by now but I have wet dreams over Mertesacker. I was concerned when he first came that we defended a too higher line but we've sorted it out this year (Bould?) and Per is showing what a class defender he can be in the right system. Again, wasn't pulling up many trees in his final year at Bremen. I wouldn't say Wenger has mis-managed TV5, he went out of form and lost his place. It happens, we criticise when players lose form and keep their place.

Arshavin can fuck off, Wenger isn't the only manager to be on the receiving end of this lazy oxygen thief. Chesney wouldn't be anywhere near our first team if it wasn't for Wenger trusting him, most other managers would have signed an experienced replacement. The lad (and maybe Gerry Peyton) can take responsibility for his own dodgy footwork and distribution as far as I'm concerned.

For all your selective examples you've excluded Koscielny who he took from french football as a complete unknown who is now the form defender in the premier league and I see no reason why he can't kick on from here. Ramsey who was so horrendously out of form that few fans wanted him anywhere near the match day squad but Wenger stuck with him and is now close to being back to his best. Gibbs who he has stuck with from his early days of erratic defending and constant injuries who has been fairly solid and dangerous and is currently keeping a spanish international out of the side when fit. Jenkinson who he took from Charlton to plenty of raised eyebrows but has been outstanding whenever given the opportunity.

I'm far from an AKB but these are all examples of good management that rarely get an airing around here. It's all shades of grey at the end of the day.

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LDB wrote:
Clash wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....
Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!
One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.
My God man - where did I say I would RATHER be proven right ?

I said the reaction to Wenger winning something (from both him and his supporters) would somewhat taint the victory for me. This is NOT the same as saying I wouldn't want us to win something.

But for me things like the divide in our support and the fact that I do not have the same affection for the players or manager I used to have will not make our next trophy (if it comes under Wenger) as, or more, enjoyable than the 14 I have seen in my lifetime! My mate said for him it would be more special.

I do question how long Wenger gets to fail before his critics are proven right though! Hasnt 8 years of sod all already been failure? Or can you go say 15 years with nothing - then win something in the 16th year - and then suddenly that 15 years of failure is wiped out and the critics are forced to eat their words? Doesnt work like that for me!

The last 8 years of failure are set in stone and forever in the record books as far as I'm concerned. One or two trophies from Wenger at the end of his reign will not change how I view him.

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