As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:Juve have just agreed a fee (believed to be £10m) with citeeh for the transfer of tevez - one would think that will mean juve will divert their attention now from higuain AND jovetic so we might have our choice of available strikers
We could have got Tevez for an absolute bargain and significantly cheaper than both. Fucking criminal to think we haven't even inquired about him and are supposedly chasing an inferior player in Rooney who'll cost substantially more. Realistically how difficult would it have been to get both Higuain and Tevez? Max cost of £35mill?
Imagine Citeh wouldn't want to sell to us plus do we really want to put up with the baggage that Tevez would undoubtedly bring? The *word censored* wants to move back to Argentina every few months.
This so called baggage is a myth, even during his fallout with Mancini it never affected his performance on the pitch. Don't see why City wouldn't sell, not like we've been threatening to win the title recently.
It didn't affect his performance on the pitch because he didn't appear on a football pitch for 6 months. Add to that threatening to retire and more than one transfer request and how can you say the baggage was a myth? Think of the effect it must have on the rest of the squad when one of your senior players can fuck around like that.
Great player but wages would be phenomenal and at 29 an unprecedented 4-year contract would be a huge gamble.
Yet he came back after being absent for half a season and still performed for the final few weeks. I'm not defending Tevez but there's obviously a lot more to the story than we know. This is the same Mancini who struggled to build a decent rapport with his players and quite often led to having training ground bust ups. I'd say its more likely to do with the relationship between the two than Tevez being unprofessional. Look no further then last years cup final when Mancini bizzarely subbed him for a holding midfielder when they were struggling against Wigan.
This so called "baggage" is a myth because its never affected his attitude, desire or performance on the pitch. This is the bloke that was thrown in at the deep end, into a foreign environment at West Ham mid way through the season and some would say, single-handedly kept them up. He then went on to be arguably Uniteds most consistent performer bar Ronaldo; winning virtually everything in the process. As well going on to captain City and being their player of the year. Only in recent years has his form slightly dipped. Mainly down to the fact he's been used sparingly in a continually rotationed squad.
Yes he does have a big ego(which top player doesn't) and possibly an attitude problem. Neither though affect his commitment on the pitch. For a snippet at 10mil you're getting a proven world class player who has done it at the very top of English football, with the potential of another few years ahead. Whats the gamble? He is exactly what we need. Quality footballer, clinical finisher and a winner to boot. So what if he damaged a few of our delicate strikers ego's? He is the type of character we need; similar ilk to Cesc.
Just to reiterate - he pissed off to Argentina for 6 months of a season. That is absolutely unprecedented and just about the worst attitude any player has shown in modern PL history.
The two posters above saying Tevez's "baggage" is a myth are only looking at it from Tevez's point of view. They need to look at it from the entire team's point of view. Having a disruptive influence in the team can cause all sorts of problems on and off the pitch. His baggage is very real and tbh, whilst he is a very good player, he is not THAT good that he should be allowed get away with his shit attitude, he doesn't single-handedly carry his team. When other players see him get away with pulling shit like he did they start to think, "Why can't I do that? Why is he valued more than me?".
I seem to recall Pat Rice (and/or Martin Keown??) claiming the reason Petit was "tacked onto" the Overmars sale was that he was an absolute pain in the arse to work with and had a very negative effect on the training ground and dressing room and team morale.
I think Reina could be a great keeper for, tbh I don't think chesnsy will ever be a top class keeper, too many errors, can't kick and already thinks he's world class when clearly not.
DB10GOONER wrote:The two posters above saying Tevez's "baggage" is a myth are only looking at it from Tevez's point of view. They need to look at it from the entire team's point of view. Having a disruptive influence in the team can cause all sorts of problems on and off the pitch. His baggage is very real and tbh, whilst he is a very good player, he is not THAT good that he should be allowed get away with his shit attitude, he doesn't single-handedly carry his team. When other players see him get away with pulling shit like he did they start to think, "Why can't I do that? Why is he valued more than me?".
I seem to recall Pat Rice (and/or Martin Keown??) claiming the reason Petit was "tacked onto" the Overmars sale was that he was an absolute pain in the arse to work with and had a very negative effect on the training ground and dressing room and team morale.
Agree with this mate
Plus he has openly stated that he wants to play in Italy, so the argument for us buying him is moot
Tevez is apparently on 200K at City. Even with a pay cut how on earth does anyone realistically think Arsenal would stand a chance? more to the point why would you want Arsenal to?!
If we had anything in the region of 140K/150K a week to throw at someone I would certainly not want it spent on a 29 year old toe rag like that. Someone else said it earlier, he was a disgrace for walking out of City for those 5 or 6 months. It was only because his contract was so big that CIty couldn't shift him last summer.
kiwomya wrote:Tevez is apparently on 200K at City. Even with a pay cut how on earth does anyone realistically think Arsenal would stand a chance? more to the point why would you want Arsenal to?!
If we had anything in the region of 140K/150K a week to throw at someone I would certainly not want it spent on a 29 year old toe rag like that. Someone else said it earlier, he was a disgrace for walking out of City for those 5 or 6 months. It was only because his contract was so big that CIty couldn't shift him last summer.
So you think juve are in a position to offer him big wages ? Personally I doubt that they would be able to match what we could pay them so this might not be a suitable deal to either side but wages should not be the reason why it isnt a runner
Not keen on Reina, has become more and more error prone, and I doubt he would be content to warm his arse on the bench. I think we should have gone for Mignolet, a steal at 9mil.
At what point this summer do we decide that the brave new world we were going to enter with big signings and huge money is going to be replaced by the stench of modicum. Higuain would be a stellar signing Imbula and Mendy wouldnt.
Did I read Tevez, baggage and myth in the same sentence? On what planet does refusing to play for your club and then pissing off 6000 miles away not constitute 'baggage'? Leaving your team mates in the lurch. Mancini may not be Nelson Mandela but when did a manager not being nice constitute reason for going on strike?
To consider the Tevez deal 'cheap' is crazy. The fee is low because his wages are so high. Today's Spanish papers are saying that the total cost is huge. They'll be paying him 200k a week when he's 33. I'm much happier with Higuain.
