THE WENGER THREAD

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I don't think he'll ever change my mind, I don't even think he deserves the chance to turn it around, I really hope he doesn't and he gets hounded out, it'll make my day!

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franksav63 wrote:I don't think he'll ever change my mind, I don't even think he deserves the chance to turn it around, I really hope he doesn't and he gets hounded out, it'll make my day!

The opportunity to get rid of the clown was when the ST renewal forms hit the mat in may.But the sheep couldnt wait to renew.Why cant our deluded fans realise renewing ST's keeps Wenger in a job.The only time Kroenke and Gazidis will listen is when we have a half empty stadium

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Feeling like more and more of an idiot for saying "In Arsene We Trust" for the last 9 years. Now I know that we still have over 2 weeks but we should have used this "warchest" as early as possible so the players could come in and get used to things during pre-season. The day that Napoli and Wolfsburg are beating Arsenal to top players is a very sad day indeed. And if, as Wenger says, there is such a shortage in top class players available, one would think that would be all the more reason to not enter bidding wars and just spend the f**king money. I am not convinced for one second that if we offered the same conditions Napoli offered Higuain and Wolfsburg offered Gustavo that we would have missed out. The situation at Arsenal is so obvious that everyone can see it except AW and Ivan The Terrible. Anywho I felt the need to come on here and have this rant because otherwise I would have torn out all my hair. Onwards with the bare bones then and the slight chance of transfer activity before deadline day. Hopefully we can get a win tomorrow and I will feel slightly better :barscarf:

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German Spiegel Magazin has an article online because of the PL start
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/pr ... 16798.html
at the end:
"Dieses Jahr stellt uns mehr denn je auf die Probe", sagte United-Kapitän Nemanja Vidic. Unwahrscheinlich, dass Arsène Wenger davon mit dem FC Arsenal profitieren kann kann. Bislang hat der Club einzig den französischen Junioren-Nationalspieler Yaya Sanogo verpflichtet, große Namen wie Liverpools Luis Suarez oder der zum SSC Neapel gewechselte Gonzalo Higuaín kamen nicht.

"Wir wollen mit einer jungen, hungrigen Truppe angreifen. Die Ausgangsposition ist gut, aber was heißt das schon? Wir konkurrieren mit sechs Teams, die viel Geld investieren", sagte Per Mertesacker, der beim ersten Saisonspiel als Kapitän auflaufen wird. Arsenal wurde in der vergangenen Saison Vierter und muss hoffen, wenigstens über die Playoffs in die Champions League zu rutschen. Trotzdem hält Wenger den Meistertitel auch in dieser Spielzeit für möglich. Das wäre dann schon wieder etwas richtig Neues.


Google Translater and my correction:
"This year introduces us to the test more than ever," said United captain Nemanja Vidic. Is unlikely that Arsene Wenger can benefit from that with Arsenal. So far, the club has only committed the French youth international Yaya Sanogo, big names such as Liverpool's Luis Suarez, or the Napoli Replaced Gonzalo Higuain did not come.

"We want to attack with a young, hungry squad., The starting position is good, but what does that mean? We compete with six teams that invest much more money," said Per Mertesacker, who will be the skipper in the first season game. Arsenal finished fourth last season and hopes to slide over the playoffs into the Champions League. Wenger still thinks that the championship title this season is possible. That would be something really new again.

Don't make me countable for the second last sentence :mrgreen: !

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Justin-AFC wrote:Feeling like more and more of an idiot for saying "In Arsene We Trust" for the last 9 years
9 years ago was 2004, we'd just won the league unbeaten.
In the next two seasons we'd win the FA Cup and lose late on in the CL Final.

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highburyJD wrote:
Justin-AFC wrote:Feeling like more and more of an idiot for saying "In Arsene We Trust" for the last 9 years
9 years ago was 2004, we'd just won the league unbeaten.
In the next two seasons we'd win the FA Cup and lose late on in the CL Final.
Ok I'll give you that I probably exaggerated. But for the bones of the last 7 years.

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Dont win a trophy for eight years, lose to lower league opposition, sell your best players, and lose to united 8-2, all part of the modern Arsenal.

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Last season was very disappointing - first time under Wenger we lost to lower league opposition.
Was embarrassing, but so was getting KO'd by Sunderland and Stoke...

Still the worst bits for me are
a) Almunia and
b) our so baffling failure to invest the new income streams

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Last season was very disappointing - first time under Wenger we lost to lower league opposition.
Was embarrassing, but so was getting KO'd by Sunderland and Stoke...

Still the worst bits for me are
a) Almunia and
b) our baffling failure to so far invest the new income streams

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highburyJD wrote:Last season was very disappointing - first time under Wenger we lost to lower league opposition.
That's what Wenger said too, and he was wrong as well, JD!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 749865.stm

Burnley 2-0 Arsenal (Carling Cup, 2008)

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No wonder that Fans Forum show has been cut from Arsenal TV. The last thing they want is the opinion of the vocal minority who's voice seems to be getting louder.

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I'm genuinely baffled by AKBs. It's like a flat earth society, or a cult of personality.

I don't go to matches any longer. I hope to be able to still afford to once he's no longer there. I went 4 times last year. Lost 3, won 1. I did go to the Bayern game and we were totally comprehensively outclassed, something that the Germans' complacency in the 2nd leg conveniently masked for Wenger and the AKBs.
It's all a bit King Canute and the waves really. The media give him a very easy ride too, not sure why. The Cult of Wenger really does exist. Most notable myth: that he's brought through lots of young world class players rather than bought expensive players. He hasn't. He's paid over the odds (eg £10 million) for young players, and underoffers for established ones.

Are we now in the middle of yet another failed experiment where Wenger tries to finish 4th - all he's interested in - without spending any money? Is his refusal to bid high enough for Higuian et al a deliberate rebuke to Ivan "Loadsamoney" Gazidis's "we'll spend big and early" remarks, as they overrode Arsene's supreme authority? He's sounding more and more mad dictatorish too.
As for the idea that no-one could replace him - it's true that every season that he stays makes it harder for any successor and also that the Board/Kroenke clearly have no idea of who could replace him and panic at the thought. I think Wenger will name his own successor when he feels it's time to leave Arsenal.
I try to avoid seeing or hearing him now, as just feel my blood pressure going up.

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Justin-AFC wrote:No wonder that Fans Forum show has been cut from Arsenal TV. The last thing they want is the opinion of the vocal minority who's voice seems to be getting louder.
yeah they replaced it with a live show where fans can phone up and express opinion and win a free mug.... The free mug makes a big difference I guess.

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Sam59 wrote:I'm genuinely baffled by AKBs. It's like a flat earth society, or a cult of personality.

I don't go to matches any longer. I hope to be able to still afford to once he's no longer there. I went 4 times last year. Lost 3, won 1. I did go to the Bayern game and we were totally comprehensively outclassed, something that the Germans' complacency in the 2nd leg conveniently masked for Wenger and the AKBs.
It's all a bit King Canute and the waves really. The media give him a very easy ride too, not sure why. The Cult of Wenger really does exist. Most notable myth: that he's brought through lots of young world class players rather than bought expensive players. He hasn't. He's paid over the odds (eg £10 million) for young players, and underoffers for established ones.

Are we now in the middle of yet another failed experiment where Wenger tries to finish 4th - all he's interested in - without spending any money? Is his refusal to bid high enough for Higuian et al a deliberate rebuke to Ivan "Loadsamoney" Gazidis's "we'll spend big and early" remarks, as they overrode Arsene's supreme authority? He's sounding more and more mad dictatorish too.
As for the idea that no-one could replace him - it's true that every season that he stays makes it harder for any successor and also that the Board/Kroenke clearly have no idea of who could replace him and panic at the thought. I think Wenger will name his own successor when he feels it's time to leave Arsenal.
I try to avoid seeing or hearing him now, as just feel my blood pressure going up.

Welcome Sam :D
Completely agree with you

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Sam59 wrote:I'm genuinely baffled by AKBs. It's like a flat earth society, or a cult of personality.

I don't go to matches any longer. I hope to be able to still afford to once he's no longer there. I went 4 times last year. Lost 3, won 1. I did go to the Bayern game and we were totally comprehensively outclassed, something that the Germans' complacency in the 2nd leg conveniently masked for Wenger and the AKBs.
It's all a bit King Canute and the waves really. The media give him a very easy ride too, not sure why. The Cult of Wenger really does exist. Most notable myth: that he's brought through lots of young world class players rather than bought expensive players. He hasn't. He's paid over the odds (eg £10 million) for young players, and underoffers for established ones.

Are we now in the middle of yet another failed experiment where Wenger tries to finish 4th - all he's interested in - without spending any money? Is his refusal to bid high enough for Higuian et al a deliberate rebuke to Ivan "Loadsamoney" Gazidis's "we'll spend big and early" remarks, as they overrode Arsene's supreme authority? He's sounding more and more mad dictatorish too.
As for the idea that no-one could replace him - it's true that every season that he stays makes it harder for any successor and also that the Board/Kroenke clearly have no idea of who could replace him and panic at the thought. I think Wenger will name his own successor when he feels it's time to leave Arsenal.
I try to avoid seeing or hearing him now, as just feel my blood pressure going up.
Welcome to the forum Sam :D you shall fit in well around here 8)

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