THE WENGER THREAD

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franksav63 wrote:There's a new job for Wenger... Manager of the England's women's football team... Hope Powell sacked!

Go for it ya *word censored*!!

:barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:
He can't put anyone from France in that team :lol: :lol: But also perfect for him because you don't need to buy anyone there :)

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franksav63 wrote:
g88ner wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
highburyJD wrote:somebody posts they have "mixed emotions" but ultimately back Wenger - so they must be a WUM
and people 'suggest' (make joke posts) about how "AKB's" should somehow be prevented from posting

Frank posts the most out there full nuts conspiracy theory since Lord Shergar faked the moon landings with Elvis, JFK whilst the Loose Change crew made a reality musical docu-drama of it.

Wenger wants to fail? Because several years ago his mate was binned.
Why wouldn't he just say "he goes, I go" at the time?
Instead he waits about - initially does very well
but is secretly saving us his revenge with DA DA DAA lame transfer windows.
Really??!?!
crappyest conspiracy theory ever...
How do you know it's the ''crappiest'' theory ever... do you actually know what goes on in the club.... ?? Why is it so outlandish when you actually go through every little thing he has done since 2006-to present... I didn't even mention the balls-up he's made continually on the captaincy.... Perhaps you should get your head out of the sand for once and stop constantly licking Wenger's ring in the style of John Cross... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Oh, come on frank - you must admit it sounds a little potty :lol: :lol:

Since Dein left, Wenger has probably had 1 or 2 contract extensions, and by all accounts turned down some of the world's biggest clubs.

What you're suggesting though, is that rather than walk away from the club when Dein was thrown out in 2007 (something that, at the time, would have horrified the board and sent the fans barmy!) he decided to sacrifice having a successful, happy career at Arsenal or elsewhere and instead stay and get his revenge in a whole new way.... by staying for a further 6 years but with an agenda of sabotaging the club he spent so much time and effort building up. :o

But, to avoid suspicion and maintain trust from the people he's allegedly trying to sabotage, he instead increases the profits of the club by maintaining Champions League football (despite being predicted to fail almost every recent season) and posting a transfer profit! :D

The result of this excellent sabotage has been to make the people who sacked Dein even richer, by allowing them to cash in on Wenger's success. And even now, with operation secret squirrel in full flow, the club gets richer and richer with each conservative transfer window.

And, all the time, Wenger's excellent sabotage plan focuses everyone's attention heavily on his incompetence, as he continually shields the board from blame.

What a martyr! :barscarf: and all for a friend?? - destroying his own reputation for Dein?? - why? - seriously, for that level of patient, self-sacrifice to make any sense whatsoever, Dein and Wenger would have to be a modern day Romeo and Juliet. :oops: :lol:

It's just not plausible.
So, if it's not all his doing, on purpose, then he's done all this because he's a useless, incompenent bastard, I would have thought you would have prefered by theorum better...
No, I definitely wouldn't prefer your sinister theory! :lol: - I just think he's become incompetent at the highest level. :(

In any case, it's not a matter of preferring one theory over another. It's just assessing them as whether they're plausible or not, and for the reasons I gave in my previous post, your theory just doesn't make sense unless Dein and Wenger are a modern day Romeo and Juliet, and I don't think they are. He's got himself a Paris based rapper for that. :lol: :wink:

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g88ner wrote:
No, I definitely wouldn't prefer your sinister theory! :lol: - I just think he's become incompetent at the highest level. :(

In any case, it's not a matter of preferring one theory over another. It's just assessing them as whether they're plausible or not, and for the reasons I gave in my previous post, your theory just doesn't make sense unless Dein and Wenger are a modern day Romeo and Juliet, and I don't think they are. He's got himself a Paris based rapper for that. :lol: :wink:
You think Frank sounds crazy until you read the AKBs. That's some fucking crazy shit.

:D

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Back on the youth policy subject I recall talking to another well known and respected Gooner & local coach in Islington, who was fuming at Sean O'Connor leaving The Arsenal.

He mentioned that he often got approached by London & other clubs from further afield, looking for player recommendations, as he runs a very successful boys side. Arsenal were the only club that never bothered him for information on players. Yes he even mentioned, in disgust, the Middlesex Swamp Dwellers :box:

Whilst I would expect clubs like Millwall & Orient to be on the lookout for potential talent, I'm disgusted that clubs
like West Ham & The Chavs are recruiting the best of local based future players from under our noses. And that the club
don't even appear to be that bothered about assessing such talent!! :banghead: :banghead:

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There's nothing sinister about Wenger's decision making; he's just slowly becoming the George Graham of his era or worse still Brian Clough if allowed to continue long enough. In an age where everything has moved on around him he still plays the same hand that served him well 10, 20 and 30 years ago.

He thinks Suarez isn't worth £50m, and if you consider that as an absolute amount of money he probably isn't. But he's worth £50m more than Michu is worth £25m. He needs to divorce himself from the transfer fees and be more selfish. He's killing himself by a policy that was outdated the minute Abramovich arrived on these shores.

The CEO is paid 4x the average remuneration package of an AIM listed CEO of a similar size company. Its his job to worry about whether the money is there or not. If the CEO says there is £70m to spend comfortably then Wenger should use every penny of that money to improve the squad. He is the football manager; not the FD, not the Commercial Director, not the CEO, not the Director of Youth Development. He should have a very simple measure of his own success - league placings and trophies won by the first team.

The problem is he sees it as his role to incorporate all of the above into his day job. Perhaps when you're managing a provincial club in France that can't afford all of those senior roles it's necessary to wear many hats........but when you're manager of a so called super club with the structure in place around you, you should stick to the day job

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A very well reasoned agrument SteveO. Arsene pervades every single area of the club and seems incapable or unwilling to keep out of matters that, as you point out, he should have no business in.

That he has been allowed to attain such a position within the club is both worrying and harmful.

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I had no idea we had such an odd deal struck with Southampton over AOC, but it explains why he has been used sporadically. How the hell did this get agreed?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nutes.html

'Written into the England winger’s deal is a clause stating that Arsenal must pay Saints £10,000 every time Oxlade-Chamberlain appears for more than 20 minutes.

Incredibly a trend emerged, with Wenger bringing him off the bench after 72 minutes (v Stoke), 73 minutes (Liverpool), 72 minutes (Coventry), 65 minutes (Norwich), 76 minutes (Fulham), 86 minutes (Tottenham), 67 minutes (Swansea), 73 minutes (West Ham), 71 minutes (Swansea), and 75 minutes (Reading).

Arsenal’s accounts department were stunned to receive an email from Southampton demanding payment for the appearances, with the south coast club justifying their argument based on stoppage time.'

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SteveO 35 wrote:There's nothing sinister about Wenger's decision making; he's just slowly becoming the George Graham of his era or worse still Brian Clough if allowed to continue long enough. In an age where everything has moved on around him he still plays the same hand that served him well 10, 20 and 30 years ago.

He thinks Suarez isn't worth £50m, and if you consider that as an absolute amount of money he probably isn't. But he's worth £50m more than Michu is worth £25m. He needs to divorce himself from the transfer fees and be more selfish. He's killing himself by a policy that was outdated the minute Abramovich arrived on these shores.

The CEO is paid 4x the average remuneration package of an AIM listed CEO of a similar size company. Its his job to worry about whether the money is there or not. If the CEO says there is £70m to spend comfortably then Wenger should use every penny of that money to improve the squad. He is the football manager; not the FD, not the Commercial Director, not the CEO, not the Director of Youth Development. He should have a very simple measure of his own success - league placings and trophies won by the firstteam.

The problem is he sees it as his role to incorporate all of the above into his day job. Perhaps when you're managing a provincial club in France that can't afford all of those senior roles it's necessary to wear many hats........but when you're manager of a so called super club with the structure in place around you, you should stick to the day job

No more questions your honour. ..



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SteveO 35 wrote:There's nothing sinister about Wenger's decision making; he's just slowly becoming the George Graham of his era or worse still Brian Clough if allowed to continue long enough. In an age where everything has moved on around him he still plays the same hand that served him well 10, 20 and 30 years ago.
and he's become obsessed with money. The book/film of the Wenger Years will be titled "Moneyball".

did you know that we have more cash at hand than the rest of the EPL put together ????

there are FIVE columns on soccernet about his incompetance today btw.

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Another summer wasted & the panic button about to be pressed, so expect rash signings.

We were told when our new stadium was built, when we paid off our debt we would compete with the likes of the chav's & Manure.

We have been patient, we have given them 7 years, now it's time they kept to their word.

Players like Yaya Toure, Ibrahimovic, Bale, Zaha & all the players this year we are letting slip away, it will cost well over £100 million to compete on a level playing surface. :banghead:

The board will say we are bad fans & that we don't know any thing about football, ever since David Dein got pushed out HMS Arsenal has been sinking.

Now I can hear the Wenger clone speaking his garble again, is he trying to protect the BOARD? Like he has done since our move to the Emirates :blah: :blah:

I have one thing to say to Usmanov please buy our club, & save our ship?

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Don't want a scumbag XXXXXX having any more influence
All the Russian oligarchs are thieves

Editted by DB10.

JD - you cannot make unfounded allegations like this. Sorry, but I'm deleting them. Anything that's opinion will be left but if it even touches on possible libel it's going. THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

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highburyJD wrote:Don't want a scumbag XXXXXX having any more influence
All the Russian oligarchs are thieves
Do you remember the fuss you kicked up because somebody called Wenger a fraud a few months back - obviously meaning morally - stamping your feet and claiming it was libellous and had to be removed?

And then you're more than happy to post this :roll:

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All the Russian oligarchs rape the resources of their country for personal gain.
Jabba is easily the worst of them. I could never hate any football person like I hate those avatars of avarice.

the insertion of 'alleged' was for the benefit of the board
Jabba sicks Schillings of scared web providers but he would never actually sue an individual
Could not afford his, commonly known in Uzbekistan, dirty laundry aired in court.

Wenger was specifically accused of financial crimes.
Of being a common criminal. On an Arsenal board.
This place does get pretty embarrassing sometimes.

Comparing a fat scumbag Uzbek 'businessman' to a great Arsenal manager.

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No, you were crying because somebody called Wenger a "fraud", insisting that it was an accusation of criminality even though everybody could see it obviously wasn't - even you I'm sure.

But you happily turn round and say that all Russian oligarchs are thieves. Even though many of them have never been found guilty of any crime. Also using the term " 'alleged' " in that manner doesn't really do much to prevent your comment from being libellous.

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- Yes it does.
- that's not memory of the statement at all. Can't be arsed to trawl back through it.
- Wenger is loved by many (most) Gooners. This is an Arsenal board, he (and the fans who live him) deserve some respect.
The Russian oligarchs stole their countries assets and funded a KGB crypto-fascist Govt.
Of course they weren't charged, they own the police and the courts.
Suggesting the fact they haven't been charged proves anything at all about them is a wilful display of ignorance.
I don't even believe you really think it.

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