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spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
Speaking of our scouts I just had a glimps off them:
Keown and Grimandi came 05 +06 and we have Rowley who came at 96.
The signings since Keown and Grimandi have hardly been impressive.
I may be wrong, but I thought Keown was just employed by us as corporate ambassador, doing goodwill charity visits and community training schemes etc, had no idea he was a scout?
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
Speaking of our scouts I just had a glimps off them:
Keown and Grimandi came 05 +06 and we have Rowley who came at 96.
The signings since Keown and Grimandi have hardly been impressive.
I may be wrong, but I thought Keown was just employed by us as corporate ambassador, doing goodwill charity visits and community training schemes etc, had no idea he was a scout?
I dunno if it is 100% accurate but if it is then there is a correlation between their hiring and the decline in world class signings.
we went from RVP + Cesc to Hleb + Rosicknote in the space of a few years.
But there is big difference between RvP/Cesc and Hleb/Rosicky. The former were youngsters when we signed them (20 and 16) whilst Hleb (24) and Rosicky (25) were experienced Bundesliga midfielders and also established internationals.
Anyway Hleb and Rosicky weren't bad players. Rosicky unfortunately had injury problems and we actually made a profit on Hleb.
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
Speaking of our scouts I just had a glimps off them:
Keown and Grimandi came 05 +06 and we have Rowley who came at 96.
The signings since Keown and Grimandi have hardly been impressive.
I may be wrong, but I thought Keown was just employed by us as corporate ambassador, doing goodwill charity visits and community training schemes etc, had no idea he was a scout?
I dunno if it is 100% accurate but if it is then there is a correlation between their hiring and the decline in world class signings.
we went from RVP + Cesc to Hleb + Rosicknote in the space of a few years.
But there is big difference between RvP/Cesc and Hleb/Rosicky. The former were youngsters when we signed them (20 and 16) whilst Hleb (24) and Rosicky (25) were experienced Bundesliga midfielders and also established internationals.
Anyway Hleb and Rosicky weren't bad players. Rosicky unfortunately had injury problems and we actually made a profit on Hleb.
I never rated Hleb. I knew his career was over as soon as he left a manager that made him look good with all those innefectual tricks and awful decision making. Anyhow Ros and Hleb were a HUGE step down from what we used to at the time. Ros isn't world class. Never has been and is lucky to have a career with us. Yes Cesc and RVP were young but look at the dross youth we have signed since, such as Denilson.
There definitely should be an inquiry as to why they failed so miserably in 2011 and why it is Wenger can't seem to find a player.
Rosicky wasn't a bad signing - his career at us has just been ruined by injuries and now that he has a decent chance to stay fit for a prolonged period is when we've needed him least with Cazorla and Ozil.
Chippy wrote:Came back from 3 weeks holiday expecting to see this well and truly locked. Standards are slipping round here!
Not till this baby makes it to 500 !
There's still so much to discuss...I mean waht about that bird with the big tits that Rodders has been stalking....and has now become part of the Annual Gooners Transfer Window Hotties !?
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
Speaking of our scouts I just had a glimps off them:
Keown and Grimandi came 05 +06 and we have Rowley who came at 96.
The signings since Keown and Grimandi have hardly been impressive.
I may be wrong, but I thought Keown was just employed by us as corporate ambassador, doing goodwill charity visits and community training schemes etc, had no idea he was a scout?
I dunno if it is 100% accurate but if it is then there is a correlation between their hiring and the decline in world class signings.
we went from RVP + Cesc to Hleb + Rosicknote in the space of a few years.
But there is big difference between RvP/Cesc and Hleb/Rosicky. The former were youngsters when we signed them (20 and 16) whilst Hleb (24) and Rosicky (25) were experienced Bundesliga midfielders and also established internationals.
Anyway Hleb and Rosicky weren't bad players. Rosicky unfortunately had injury problems and we actually made a profit on Hleb.
I never rated Hleb. I knew his career was over as soon as he left a manager that made him look good with all those innefectual tricks and awful decision making. Anyhow Ros and Hleb were a HUGE step down from what we used to at the time. Ros isn't world class. Never has been and is lucky to have a career with us. Yes Cesc and RVP were young but look at the dross youth we have signed since, such as Denilson.
There definitely should be an inquiry as to why they failed so miserably in 2011 and why it is Wenger can't seem to find a player.
Not true, he has always offered more to us than ramsey (not including this season) and even wilshere. The technicality of his game is getting better and better. His forward play is what tottenham lacked on saturday. His positioning may not be the best but his work rate is sterling. Considering the injuries hes had, for a 32 year old, he is right up there.
its such a shame that rosicky has taken this long what with injuries to finally show what a decent player he actually is,and now with ozil we don't need him,
markyp wrote:its such a shame that rosicky has taken this long what with injuries to finally show what a decent player he actually is,and now with ozil we don't need him,
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:Wenger will get a new 3 year deal. If Ozil flops AW will say 'see? Money doesn't guarentee you.. blah blah blah'. Either way AW wins.
It's been suggested in some quarters that AW doesn't want to bring in star players because they'll destroy the harmony he promotes within the changing room. Have you noticed that AW never shouts at his players during a game altho he'll often berate officials. It's said that he doesn't allow players to shout at each other during games and he was sometimes seen to restrain Pat Rice when he wanted to jump off the bench to castigate a player. Star players have opinions, expectations, egos and demands. Ozil is a modest kind of superstar but- make no mistake- his price tag, talent, experience and ambition will make him top dog at AFC and altho he wasn't demonstrable at Real he had his wage increase expectations which weren't met and precipitated his exit from one of the biggest clubs in the world. In other words, he's not backwards in coming forwards and (FINALLY, the point of my post:) his arrival could have quite a big influence on the dressing room here cos he's not going to stay around for the duration of his 5year deal if the team aren't challenging and if the manager is slipshod in strengthening the side. He'll either rebel within or simply leave. Let's look on the positive side for now and say that AFC have gone up a few notches in world status after securing such a deal, i can't see him being anything other than a roaring success and a perfect fit to our style on the pitch and a tremendous marketing success off it (when he posted about joining us on Facebook he wrote in 4diff languages which tells you his footing on the international stage) so after the 'what a waste' of Gervinho 'i want to be straight' and say there's 'reasons to be cheerful' with Ozil (ask your dad if you don't get the references)
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
Speaking of our scouts I just had a glimps off them:
Keown and Grimandi came 05 +06 and we have Rowley who came at 96.
The signings since Keown and Grimandi have hardly been impressive.
I may be wrong, but I thought Keown was just employed by us as corporate ambassador, doing goodwill charity visits and community training schemes etc, had no idea he was a scout?
I dunno if it is 100% accurate but if it is then there is a correlation between their hiring and the decline in world class signings.
That website is far from accurate, the page you have linked to shows Steve Morrow as a board member!
I suggest the change in signings was caused by
- David Dein leaving
- New stadium meant limit of funds
- Other clubs catching up with us looking to Africa/France after we were one step ahead of them in the 90's
- Billionaire owners at other clubs outbidding us
Well pleased with Ozil, and honestly expected to sign Rooney, we did try believe me.
Just watched the game against the scum tonight on catch up, glad Flaminis back and I believe Wenger is going to make a lot of people eat there words, I fucking love Arsenal
