As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Rodders - you are turning into a Self Harmer yourself mate.....don't do it to yourself. This is the man actually quoted as saying "every year we compete for FIVE trophies" and listed one of them as "qualification for the CL".....something we are destined to do again this year
ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER
markyp wrote:he wont quit,no chance,his middle name is pinnochio.one thing I do have to say though is that the 10 game unbeaten run at the end of last season with 8 wins two draws and our performances this season so far including the man city friendly and of course excluding the shower of shoite on the opening day of the season against villa we seem to be getting back to our former selves don't you think??the game against spuds was a joy to watch,we let them have the ball,they did nothing with it and we hit them on the break at pace time and time again.maybe with the ozil signing we could start to once again be a proper title challenger,our defence is now very difficult to break down and giroud is scoring,the midfield must be one of the most blessed in Europe,could this at last be the makings of a new dawn,time will tell!!
the rest of this season will hurt people like you the most. prepare for a hurricane of shite
Well, I really hope so! But then again, I have gotten my hopes up and finally crashing down too many times to be really hoping too much now. As much I liked to believe that things might finally turn for better now but I don't believe that anymore so long as wenker is still around. Özil signing was absolutely fantastic but in the end, one man can't make the difference. If that happens though, it would be very positive surprise.
markyp wrote:he wont quit,no chance,his middle name is pinnochio.one thing I do have to say though is that the 10 game unbeaten run at the end of last season with 8 wins two draws and our performances this season so far including the man city friendly and of course excluding the shower of shoite on the opening day of the season against villa we seem to be getting back to our former selves don't you think??the game against spuds was a joy to watch,we let them have the ball,they did nothing with it and we hit them on the break at pace time and time again.maybe with the ozil signing we could start to once again be a proper title challenger,our defence is now very difficult to break down and giroud is scoring,the midfield must be one of the most blessed in Europe,could this at last be the makings of a new dawn,time will tell!!
the rest of this season will hurt people like you the most. prepare for a hurricane of shite
Well, I really hope so! But then again, I have gotten my hopes up and finally crashing down too many times to be really hoping too much now. As much I liked to believe that things might finally turn for better now but I don't believe that anymore so long as wenker is still around. Özil signing was absolutely fantastic but in the end, one man can't make the difference. If that happens though, it would be very positive surprise.
So bale didn't make the difference at the spuds, Wrighty then Bergkamp and then Henry to us, pele to brazil, maradonna to argentina, zidane to france, Charlton to Oireland (as it's topical) , ronaldo to madrid, messi to barcelona.....
Suppose your right, one man can't make a difference to a team but here's hoping
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
Well, I really hope so! But then again, I have gotten my hopes up and finally crashing down too many times to be really hoping too much now. As much I liked to believe that things might finally turn for better now but I don't believe that anymore so long as wenker is still around. Özil signing was absolutely fantastic but in the end, one man can't make the difference. If that happens though, it would be very positive surprise.
So bale didn't make the difference at the spuds, Wrighty then Bergkamp and then Henry to us, pele to brazil, maradonna to argentina, zidane to france, Charlton to Oireland (as it's topical) , ronaldo to madrid, messi to barcelona.....
Suppose your right, one man can't make a difference to a team but here's hoping
I like it...reel off really good players and their teams and, boom, job done.
augie wrote:I think the point our midget dublin mod was making leftie, is that when you look at the amount of money he continued to piss away for years, it dilutes the whole "he did well under those financial constraints" argument. Yes every manager has given out some dodgy contracts but I would argue that nobody has given out as many as wenker especially when you consider just how excessive those contracts were How many contract extensions has he awarded diaby despite the fact that the guy is continually injured ? How confident are you that wenker wont give him another new contract later in this season if he plays 6-10 consecutive games ? I am only picking diaby as an example and am only referring to his injuries rather than focus on his shitiness (dont have enough time to detail that ) cos otherwise I would include rosicky, bendtner, denilson, below average al etc etc etc This validation of wenker's is for me the very same as suggesting that he has done well with the players he has available - who bought these players ? Who chose on numerous occasions not to use his full budget trying to bring in better players ?
Exactly!!! They've all bought dross and made mistakes, even fergie, look at Veron, Taibi and Djemba to name but a few. The difference with fergie was he was willing to accept that he'd made a mistake and these players didn't hang around too long on the utd wage bill.
Where as stubborn Wenger could never admit he'd made a mistake and the shite mentioned above hung around and in some cases are still fucking well hanging around the club.
In total agreement with the two bald bastards I've quoted, Lefty. Also, you say; "But he has kept us in the top 4 with these players (or without some of them) so somewhere along the line he has done well, you can't have it both ways, in that they are shit players and he is a shit manager, either we have all underrated the players or the manager has worked wonders with average players" - I would argue that if he had spent that money correctly on better players (and gotten rid of the chaff as soon as it was apparent they were chaff, like Rednose did) then he could have done better than just scrape 4th place every year for the best part of a decade, and for the same outlay.
The main points for me are that Arsene (more than ANY manager) overpaid/still overpays poor and average players and retains them far too long, and he does this because he cannot admit he got it wrong. That is very poor financial management as well as football management.
Who asked you for your opinion.....Stick to doing your phone adverts Yoda
Rodders - you are turning into a Self Harmer yourself mate.....don't do it to yourself. This is the man actually quoted as saying "every year we compete for FIVE trophies" and listed one of them as "qualification for the CL".....something we are destined to do again this year
ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER
If you were to put a gun to my head today and ask me if he will still be manager post June '14 I would say no. That's a seismic shift in my thinking over the past 12 months. I'm in a good head space my friend and there's no way I'm going to let you drag me down.
markyp wrote:he wont quit,no chance,his middle name is pinnochio.one thing I do have to say though is that the 10 game unbeaten run at the end of last season with 8 wins two draws and our performances this season so far including the man city friendly and of course excluding the shower of shoite on the opening day of the season against villa we seem to be getting back to our former selves don't you think??the game against spuds was a joy to watch,we let them have the ball,they did nothing with it and we hit them on the break at pace time and time again.maybe with the ozil signing we could start to once again be a proper title challenger,our defence is now very difficult to break down and giroud is scoring,the midfield must be one of the most blessed in Europe,could this at last be the makings of a new dawn,time will tell!!
the rest of this season will hurt people like you the most. prepare for a hurricane of shite
Well, I really hope so! But then again, I have gotten my hopes up and finally crashing down too many times to be really hoping too much now. As much I liked to believe that things might finally turn for better now but I don't believe that anymore so long as wenker is still around. Özil signing was absolutely fantastic but in the end, one man can't make the difference. If that happens though, it would be very positive surprise.
So bale didn't make the difference at the spuds, Wrighty then Bergkamp and then Henry to us, pele to brazil, maradonna to argentina, zidane to france, Charlton to Oireland (as it's topical) , ronaldo to madrid, messi to barcelona.....
Suppose your right, one man can't make a difference to a team but here's hoping
Are you playing devils advocate again lefty ? Wrighty and Bergkamp joined title winning teams, pele played alongside some fantastic Brazilian players who were just in the shadow of a genius, zidane played some great players with france (desially, jerkoff, thuram etc), big jack inherited an Irish team that inc McGrath, brady, etc, Ronaldo played alongside Roberto carlos, figo and zidane plus finally I will grant you the messi argument........having to carry deadweights like xavi and iniesta must be a hardship for any player
markyp wrote:he wont quit,no chance,his middle name is pinnochio.one thing I do have to say though is that the 10 game unbeaten run at the end of last season with 8 wins two draws and our performances this season so far including the man city friendly and of course excluding the shower of shoite on the opening day of the season against villa we seem to be getting back to our former selves don't you think??the game against spuds was a joy to watch,we let them have the ball,they did nothing with it and we hit them on the break at pace time and time again.maybe with the ozil signing we could start to once again be a proper title challenger,our defence is now very difficult to break down and giroud is scoring,the midfield must be one of the most blessed in Europe,could this at last be the makings of a new dawn,time will tell!!
the rest of this season will hurt people like you the most. prepare for a hurricane of shite
Well, I really hope so! But then again, I have gotten my hopes up and finally crashing down too many times to be really hoping too much now. As much I liked to believe that things might finally turn for better now but I don't believe that anymore so long as wenker is still around. Özil signing was absolutely fantastic but in the end, one man can't make the difference. If that happens though, it would be very positive surprise.
So bale didn't make the difference at the spuds, Wrighty then Bergkamp and then Henry to us, pele to brazil, maradonna to argentina, zidane to france, Charlton to Oireland (as it's topical) , ronaldo to madrid, messi to barcelona.....
Suppose your right, one man can't make a difference to a team but here's hoping
Are you playing devils advocate again lefty ? Wrighty and Bergkamp joined title winning teams, pele played alongside some fantastic Brazilian players who were just in the shadow of a genius, zidane played some great players with france (desially, jerkoff, thuram etc), big jack inherited an Irish team that inc McGrath, brady, etc, Ronaldo played alongside Roberto carlos, figo and zidane plus finally I will grant you the messi argument........having to carry deadweights like xavi and iniesta must be a hardship for any player
It's Friday mate and I want some fun
But in fairness those players I listed did make THE difference, without them their respective sides would have been weaker and not won as much (except the spuds and Oireland)
, ronaldo to madrid, messi to barcelona.....
How many contract extensions has he awarded diaby despite the fact that the guy is continually injured ? How confident are you that wenker wont give him another new contract later in this season if he plays 6-10 consecutive games ? I am only picking diaby as an example and am only referring to his injuries rather than focus on his shitiness (dont have enough time to detail that
This validation of wenker's is for me the very same as suggesting that he has done well with the players he has available - who bought these players ? Who chose on numerous occasions not to use his full budget trying to bring in better players ?
I've quoted, Lefty. Also, you say; "But he has kept us in the top 4 with these players (or without some of them) so somewhere along the line he has done well, you can't have it both ways, in that they are shit players and he is a shit manager, either we have all underrated the players or the manager has worked wonders with average players" - I would argue that if he had spent that money correctly on better players (and gotten rid of the chaff as soon as it was apparent they were chaff, like Rednose did) then he could have done better than just scrape 4th place every year for the best part of a decade, and for the same outlay.
