Flamini

[Blade]

Flamini forces everyone else to buck up.

i.e Gibbs has really come on this season.

[Skooner]

I’ve always thought he’s previous departure was mostly a case of unfortunate timing. He’d done nothing until his final season apart prove useful cover at left back in the run to the CL final. Then that season him and Cesc hit it off and were the best midfield duo in the league. Problem was we had tried to sell him to Birmingham that summer and he didn’t want to go. We assumed that there wouldn’t be a better option for him when his contract was up so let things drift and didn’t act quick enough when he started playing well (maybe deliberately, given we’ve seen other players pick up their game when looking for new contracts only to revert to type once they’ve got it).

I’ve never had a real problem with what he did, yes he got a better deal at Milan than he would have got with us but he may have got even more elsewhere. The fact is that his Dad is Italian and Milan, seven times European champions, were a team he had an ambition to play for. And when you are the sort of player he is, that chance may only come once. We’d not shown much interest in keeping him late on and he wasn’t getting much game time until late on. If he had had one more year on his contract doubtful he would have left at all.

[augie]

Was wondering when someone would compare Flamoney to RVJC. Simply no comparison. Flamoney was fucked about by the club (and that as Babafucko would say is FACT!) over his contract whilst shite like LegoHead and Mong were treated like they were Messi. He got the hump (and who wouldn't?) and did one for more money. Not particularly nice, and I don't personally like him for doing it, but par for the course nowdays, understandable, and nowhere near as cunty as Cashley or VanJudas who both disgracefully engineered moves to clubs that are historically and currently hated by Arsenal fans, with both players having given it the old "I've been an Arsenal fan all my life and am one of you" shite.

RVJC sat his whining injury-prone arse on our treatment table for 7 fucking years. We carried him for 7 years with little or fucking no return. FOR 7 YEARS. He fucking owed the club. And don't start that "he was loyal for those 7 years whilst we won nothing" bullshit - he was fucking "loyal" because no other fucker would sign him and pay him his monstrous wage while he sat on our treatment table. Then he has 1 injury free season and cashes it in for a move to Manure. Cashley pimped himself to the fucking chav so his poxy agent could pick up 5K a week. Both are far far worse than anything Flamoney did. No comparison.

I'm not saying Flamoney should be hailed as the returning son (because he did look after his own interests first and foremost) but if he is delivering the goods then fine, play him. Use him to our benefit. Run the fucker into the ground then replace him. Wenger has for too long put the well being of his players ahead of the club's well being.

Cannot agree even slightly with that first highlighted part - I am a huge critic of the people who run our club but there is no way in the world that they handled the flamoney situation badly. He was a bit part player up until his last 5 months at the club but yet he wanted first team wages We all slate the club for handing contracts like that out to bendtner and denilson (to name but 2) so are you suggesting that we should have done the same ? Please don't make the "he was more entitled to the new contract than the other two" argument because that still doesn't suggest that he was good enough and entitled to the type of money he was demanding and somewhere along the line somebody had to stop the ridiculous contracts being handed out

Do you honestly believe that wenker put the clubs need ahead of one of his players needs here ? For me to put the clubs needs first then he would have to have gone out and spent the required (and available) money to bring in a top quality DM cos flamoney is nowhere near top quality imo. The key issue's here was that flamoney was free and one of his protégé's so he allowed him to train with us (are we in the habit of letting every waif and stray train with us whilst out of contract ?) before signing him - wenker gets a player without having to spend money whilst he takes one of his players off the dole queue (ok I exaggerate slightly) and back into top level football so it is a win win for everybody

[Revgoon89]

Guy has certainly had a great influence on the pitch, shame we let him go as he was hitting his stride.

[officepest]

I've put aside put dislike for his departure, he left, he's come back. No arse-wipingly bad books, no swerving his car off the road, no "I'll always be one of you" puke inducing platitudes.

Time to let it die.

[DB10GOONER]

Was wondering when someone would compare Flamoney to RVJC. Simply no comparison. Flamoney was fucked about by the club (and that as Babafucko would say is FACT!) over his contract whilst shite like LegoHead and Mong were treated like they were Messi. He got the hump (and who wouldn't?) and did one for more money. Not particularly nice, and I don't personally like him for doing it, but par for the course nowdays, understandable, and nowhere near as cunty as Cashley or VanJudas who both disgracefully engineered moves to clubs that are historically and currently hated by Arsenal fans, with both players having given it the old "I've been an Arsenal fan all my life and am one of you" shite.

RVJC sat his whining injury-prone arse on our treatment table for 7 fucking years. We carried him for 7 years with little or fucking no return. FOR 7 YEARS. He fucking owed the club. And don't start that "he was loyal for those 7 years whilst we won nothing" bullshit - he was fucking "loyal" because no other fucker would sign him and pay him his monstrous wage while he sat on our treatment table. Then he has 1 injury free season and cashes it in for a move to Manure. Cashley pimped himself to the fucking chav so his poxy agent could pick up 5K a week. Both are far far worse than anything Flamoney did. No comparison.

I'm not saying Flamoney should be hailed as the returning son (because he did look after his own interests first and foremost) but if he is delivering the goods then fine, play him. Use him to our benefit. Run the fucker into the ground then replace him. Wenger has for too long put the well being of his players ahead of the club's well being.

Cannot agree even slightly with that first highlighted part - I am a huge critic of the people who run our club but there is no way in the world that they handled the flamoney situation badly. He was a bit part player up until his last 5 months at the club but yet he wanted first team wages We all slate the club for handing contracts like that out to bendtner and denilson (to name but 2) so are you suggesting that we should have done the same ? Please don't make the "he was more entitled to the new contract than the other two" argument because that still doesn't suggest that he was good enough and entitled to the type of money he was demanding and somewhere along the line somebody had to stop the ridiculous contracts being handed out

Do you honestly believe that wenker put the clubs need ahead of one of his players needs here ? For me to put the clubs needs first then he would have to have gone out and spent the required (and available) money to bring in a top quality DM cos flamoney is nowhere near top quality imo. The key issue's here was that flamoney was free and one of his protégé's so he allowed him to train with us (are we in the habit of letting every waif and stray train with us whilst out of contract ?) before signing him - wenker gets a player without having to spend money whilst he takes one of his players off the dole queue (ok I exaggerate slightly) and back into top level football so it is a win win for everybody

Augie, you are always reading words that aren't there!

I’ll try addressing all of the above as briefly as possible. Calling him a “bit part player up until his last 5 months at the club” is a bit disingenuous isn’t it? Have you forgotten his impressive run at left back in the CL in 2006? And he was very very good throughout his last season with us.

Nowhere did I say we should have given him an improved contract or huge money par se. I have been one of the few on here that constantly slates Arsene for the foolish contract extensions and pay rises he has given to undeserving wasters and average players like Drunky, LegoHead and Mong. I simply stated that we messed him about more than other (yes, less deserving) players like Mong and LegoHead and the Fat Drunk and I can see how that would have pissed him off. We handled it badly in that at the time he was a decent option to continue playing in midfield with Fabregas and for me he had done enough to at least be taken seriously regarding an improved contract. Situations change, some players improve or come into their own at different times. Flamoney was one of these.

I also never said Arsene has now (finally) put the club before one of his players. In fact I said the opposite. What I did say was we should NOW use Flamini to our benefit, we should NOW put the club ahead of him and use him how we see fit. I never said Arsene would do, or is doing that, simply said he SHOULD do that. If I had a choice of signing a world class DM or re-signing Flamoney I’d take the world class DM every day. It didn’t happen. We have him and he’s done well enough. So I’ve no problem using him if he delivers.

At the end of the day, we all have our own opinions on Flamoney and what happened but if you are going to argue with someone, at least have the common courtesy to address what they actually wrote, rather than addressing what is pissing you off about the situation or your take on the situation, ya fat bald culchie bastard, ya.

[markyp]

If i remember correctly Flamini played almost all of the last season he had with us,he came in to the side about October(might have been earlier or later) and kept his place till the end.the club farked him about,why would he stay,hed have been a door mat.no one seems to give a toss that Henry left for Barca but then came back all be it briefly.cut Flamini some slack,he is a massive reason why our season is going so well,and he was free,he could walk into any premier league team right now.We are flying,be fucking happy

[Barriecuda]

I started following Arsenal juuuust after Flaimini and Hleb left , so I don't have the bitterness towards him that I perhaps should.

What I can say is he is exactly what we needed, a tough deep-lying midfielder, that adds a little bit of steel and experience. He has been great, and on a free transfer you can't possibly ask for more. I'm glad he's working hard to endear himself to the fans again after kind of spitting on the club when he left.

[I Hate Hleb]

I started following Arsenal juuuust after Flaimini and Hleb left ...

Ah, the 'Wonder' (or should that be wander?) years.

[markyp]

I started following Arsenal juuuust after Flaimini and Hleb left , so I don't have the bitterness towards him that I perhaps should.

What I can say is he is exactly what we needed, a tough deep-lying midfielder, that adds a little bit of steel and experience. He has been great, and on a free transfer you can't possibly ask for more. I'm glad he's working hard to endear himself to the fans again after kind of spitting on the club when he left.

sometimes a fresh pair of eyes like yours is whats needed to get some clarity on a situation.As you can see Flamini has been awesome,end of,no need for the bitterness some are showing

[OneBardGooner]

If her helps us to win a trophy he'll become my best mate!

[enjibenji]

Have to admit i was the first to think this was a joke of a decision when we signed him and his previous departure still left a bad taste in my mouth,however i really am eating humble pie at the moment.

The Fella has come in and has been a major asset to the team, i would go as far as to say its possibley why we have seen rambo improve as well. Fair play to him for putting his head down and getting on with what he paid to do and thats kick the shit out of people while also letting the team know they cant stop

[augie]

If i remember correctly Flamini played almost all of the last season he had with us,he came in to the side about October(might have been earlier or later) and kept his place till the end.the club farked him about,why would he stay,hed have been a door mat.no one seems to give a toss that Henry left for Barca but then came back all be it briefly.cut Flamini some slack,he is a massive reason why our season is going so well,and he was free,he could walk into any premier league team right now.We are flying,be fucking happy

Again, how did the club fcuk him about ? He was, by your own admission, a first team starter for all of 6 months and he was expecting wages of an established first team player so why would they agree to that ? Much of our woes in recent years have been built around the practice of giving out bumper contracts on the back of a short run of performances and like it or not the guy hadn't done enough in the centre midfield position to justify his wage demands.
Btw, he could indeed walk into most premier leagues right now but 3 months ago when he was on a freebie nobody wanted him

[augie]

I started following Arsenal juuuust after Flaimini and Hleb left , so I don't have the bitterness towards him that I perhaps should.

What I can say is he is exactly what we needed, a tough deep-lying midfielder, that adds a little bit of steel and experience. He has been great, and on a free transfer you can't possibly ask for more. I'm glad he's working hard to endear himself to the fans again after kind of spitting on the club when he left.

sometimes a fresh pair of eyes like yours is whats needed to get some clarity on a situation.As you can see Flamini has been awesome,end of,no need for the bitterness some are showing

And maybe while we are at it we could ask our Canadian buddy for some clarity on the cashly cole situation ? To provide clarity you need to have been through flamoney's departure and re-signing and barriecuda has acknowledged that but you don't seem to think that is necessary

[markyp]

If i remember correctly Flamini played almost all of the last season he had with us,he came in to the side about October(might have been earlier or later) and kept his place till the end.the club farked him about,why would he stay,hed have been a door mat.no one seems to give a toss that Henry left for Barca but then came back all be it briefly.cut Flamini some slack,he is a massive reason why our season is going so well,and he was free,he could walk into any premier league team right now.We are flying,be fucking happy

Again, how did the club fcuk him about ? He was, by your own admission, a first team starter for all of 6 months and he was expecting wages of an established first team player so why would they agree to that ? Much of our woes in recent years have been built around the practice of giving out bumper contracts on the back of a short run of performances and like it or not the guy hadn't done enough in the centre midfield position to justify his wage demands.
Btw, he could indeed walk into most premier leagues right now but 3 months ago when he was on a freebie nobody wanted him

on that note PIres was a judas then as he wouldn't take the one year contract offered so he fucked off too,the club fucked flamini about cos they wouldn't pay him the £80k a week he wanted,ac Milan paid him that plus more.regards him being a freebie and nobody wanting him means nothing, Henry was junk at juventus,van der sar was at Fulham before utd,what a player did before means nothing,its what he does now that counts,flamini is quality.a player has rights too,they have to get what they worth,flamini was integral to the team in his last season,we missed him for the whole time he was gone,can you not see that